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DBZGTKOSDH
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:31 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Rocketman wrote:If the Potara are all gone, then they can't make Vegetto anyways.
Theres that.
... There isn't that. Kaioshin (but not Rou Kaioshin) still wears them.
RandomGuy96 wrote:As I thought. I don't care; they have no way of objectively measuring and comparing Beers to someone that doesn't exist.
They know Super Vegetto's power, and they know how Super Saiyan 3 compares to Super Saiyan, just like Goku could predict SS Gotenks power by knowing SS Goten's & SS Trunks' full powers, and what power Fusion grants.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:20 pm
Maybe this Beerus debate read over my request.
Kirby with Goku(Cell Arc) powers(Since he "ate" him) vs Goku(Boo Arc. Not SSj3)
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by Mystic Buu » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:27 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Maybe this Beerus debate read over my request.
Kirby with Goku(Cell Arc) powers(Since he "ate" him) vs Goku(Boo Arc. Not SSj3)
I would sayyyyyyyyyyyy Buu arc Goku without SSJ3.Goku trained really hard in the Otherworld so even without SSJ3,SSJ2 Buu arc Goku beats him.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:31 pm
Mystic Buu wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Maybe this Beerus debate read over my request.
Kirby with Goku(Cell Arc) powers(Since he "ate" him) vs Goku(Boo Arc. Not SSj3)
I would sayyyyyyyyyyyy Buu arc Goku without SSJ3.Goku trained really hard in the Otherworld so even without SSJ3,SSJ2 Buu arc Goku beats him.
Maybe SSj2. But honestly. I don't think Goku increased that much. Since you know...Kid Gohan SSj2 was a big deal still.
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by Hellspawn28 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:51 pm
Movie 6 SSj Goku vs. Imperfect Cell (Post Human absorption)
Goku in Movie 6 seems to be stronger given that Metal Coola one shot Piccolo fused with Kami and Goku was strong enough to give Coola a good match. Who wins?
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:54 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:Movie 6 SSj Goku vs. Imperfect Cell (Post Human absorption)
Goku in Movie 6 seems to be stronger given that Metal Coola one shot Piccolo fused with Kami and Goku was strong enough to give Coola a good match. Who wins?
He gave pre-repair Metal Cooler a good match. Post-repair Metal Cooler tanked Goku's hits like nothing and beat him easily. He did the same thing to the even stronger Vegeta, and stomped him in about ten seconds.
Imperfect Cell > Metal Cooler > Android 17 >>> M6 Goku = Android Arc Goku
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Cursed Lemon » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:22 pm
SSJ3 Vegetto vs. SSJ4 Gogeta
(I have no idea what the multiplier is for SSJ4)
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by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:24 pm
Cursed Lemon wrote:SSJ3 Vegetto vs. SSJ4 Gogeta
(I have no idea what the multiplier is for SSJ4)
There is none but many seem to go with X4000. SSJ4 Gogeta is also stated to tens of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but by how much is unknown. Could be 30, 70, or 90 for all we know.
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by Cursed Lemon » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:26 pm
Wait, so...
SSJ = x50
SSJ2 = x2
SSJ3 = x4
SSJ4 = x10
How wacky and random.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:28 pm
Cursed Lemon wrote:Wait, so...
SSJ = x50
SSJ2 = x2
SSJ3 = x4
SSJ4 = x10
How wacky and random.
Not really. It just stacks the Oozaru and SSJ3 Multipliers.
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by Cursed Lemon » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:37 pm
Isn't Oozaru x10 by itself?
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by Kid Buu » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:41 pm
Cursed Lemon wrote:Isn't Oozaru x10 by itself?
10 (Oozaru) x 400 (SSJ3) = 4000?
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by Wibbs » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:42 pm
Cursed Lemon wrote:Isn't Oozaru x10 by itself?
If a regular Oozaru is x10, then wouldn't a super Oozaru be x50 like a Super Saiyan or am I misinterpreting this.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:43 pm
I use x40,000.
Gogeta murder stomps.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Cursed Lemon » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:53 pm
Kid Buu wrote:Cursed Lemon wrote:Isn't Oozaru x10 by itself?
10 (Oozaru) x 400 (SSJ3) = 4000?
Oh, guess that's what he meant.
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by MDSTSSJ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:27 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Gogeta murder stomps.
SSJ4 Gogeta wrecks badly in less than 5 minutes SSJ3 Vegetto!
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by MDSTSSJ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:51 pm
Cell Arc Tenshinhan Vs Freeza Arc Piccolo ( without Nail )
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:54 pm
Tenshinhan one shots even if Piccolo fuses with Nail.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by MDSTSSJ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:19 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Tenshinhan one shots even if Piccolo fuses with Nail.
Mmm Tenshinhan have power above 1.000.000??
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:21 pm
That's what some lines in the android arc imply, yeah. I figure going with those implications is better than just making up a number.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
