"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

I know sintzu would love to have this image as his wallpaper

That would make a good wallpaper. I can't wait to see how their 2nd fight will turn out.

Does anyone know if Fused Zamasu was designed by Toriyama ?

[emperior]

I know sintzu would love to have this image as his wallpaper

That would make a good wallpaper. I can't wait to see how their 2nd fight will turn out.

Does anyone know if Fused Zamasu was designed by Toriyama ?

Most likely yes. Recently I've seen a Merged Zamasu design that is Toriyama-style. It's low-res but doesn't look fake, and it's not the one from Yamamuro.

[Black Hawk]

I'm predicting that the Future Trunks arc will end with Vegetto defusing before he can finish Merged Zamasu, followed by the whole "it's hopeless and we've lost and it's all over" situation. Then Gokū remembers the button Zen-chan gave him and presses it, then Zen-chan shows up, gets irritated, and decides to destroy everything along with Merged Zamasu. Gokū, Vegeta, Trunks, and Mai all pile into the Time Machine and head back to the present. No Genki Dama sword, no Zamasu becoming one with existence, none of that stuff.

Since the link to Trunks' timeline is now effectively lost (along with it being kind of...destroyed), instead of Gokū jumping into the Time Machine to go retrieve Zen-chan, Zen-chan appears before them of his own volition since all of existence is gone in his timeline and because he's Zen-chan and by gosh he can. From there, all of the stuff with Gokū bringing Zen-chan to befriend Zen-chan takes place as we're already familiar with.

That's how I think the Future Trunks arc will end. I'm usually wrong, though, so don't count on it.

While this next part isn't necessarily a prediction, I really hope that instead of the whole sending Trunks and Mai into an earlier version of their timeline to coexist with themselves scenario, we'll have a coming together of the Trunks without a timeline and the timeline without a Trunks (in which Cell killed Trunks) by taking Cell's time machine to that timeline, complete with either Gowasu or Shin taking a look at the Time Ring box and remarking that one of the rings has mysteriously disappeared, representative of Trunks' timeline being eradicated. I'm not counting on it, though.

[Cipher]

I'm predicting that the Future Trunks arc will end with Vegetto defusing before he can finish Merged Zamasu, followed by the whole "it's hopeless and we've lost and it's all over" situation. Then Gokū remembers the button Zen-chan gave him and presses it, then Zen-chan shows up, gets irritated, and decides to destroy everything along with Merged Zamasu. Gokū, Vegeta, Trunks, and Mai all pile into the Time Machine and head back to the present. No Genki Dama sword, no Zamasu becoming one with existence, none of that stuff.

Interesting theory.

I hadn't thought about it, but the Genki Dama sword is already a likely candidate for removal based solely on the fact that all the remaining humans were killed last chapter.

[Totamo]

I don't think vegetto is happening in the manga. gowasu was the one who gave the earings and the retcon but he is dead

[Sodhi]

Shin gave the earrings not gowasu.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Saying this independently of anything to do with Vegetto, but the chances of Gowasu dying in a parallel world where there's no means to resurrect someone are slim. He'll probably be healed last minute with a senzu or something next chapter.

[Miracles]

Because Beerus did nothing related to time travel to cause a split timeline,is just doesn't make any sense

A lot of us talked it out a little over a month ago, and there are two camps. One says that the act of time travel itself creates timelines, the others say that actions performed after the fact are what cause splits. If you believe the former, Beerus creating another timeline by erasing Goku Black's past still doesn't hold up even in the manga, since events never could have lead to that conclusion without a split in the first place.

Beerus wasting present day Zamasu caused an alternate world.
The Kai said it would and did.

[Black Hawk]

In Chapter 20, Future Zamasu says something to the effect that he investigated all of the parallel worlds via the time rings and found that, compared to the "main timeline", nothing in any of the other parallel worlds should hinder the Zero Mortals Plan. Immediately afterward, Future Zamasu remarks that the Zero Mortals Plan will be carried out across all five parallel worlds before noticing the sixth ring created by Beerus destroying Zamasu.

Two questions.

1. Does this imply that nobody in any of the 12 universes throughout the five timelines up to that point, aside from obviously the Hakaishin, could pose any sort of comparable threat to the Zero Mortals Plan as Gokū and Vegeta do? If that's the case, I imagine they won't have much, if any, real competition during the Tournament of Power, but I imagine that can't really be the case. (Does this also mean that Gokū and friends from the other timeline, the "unseen timeline", in which Trunks didn't come back because he was killed by Cell either didn't amount to much or were perhaps even wiped out at some point? I'd imagine Future Zamasu would have specifically checked out what Gokū was doing.)

Afterthought: They didn't seem to anticipate Gokū and Vegeta being able to interfere (though that may be because Zamasu took Gokū's body), so I'd imagine it's feasible that Future Zamasu would end up overlooking other potential threats, like Hit for example, even if out of pure overconfidence in himself.

2. Might there be a reason why Future Zamasu and Black didn't recruit the other three Zamasu from the other three parallel worlds? The only two (kind of three) featured are from the "main timeline" (Black), Trunks' timeline (Future Zamasu), and the "main timeline" Zamasu who was destroyed by Beerus, creating the sixth Time Ring.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Saying this independently of anything to do with Vegetto, but the chances of Gowasu dying in a parallel world where there's no means to resurrect someone are slim. He'll probably be healed last minute with a senzu or something next chapter.

Yeah, if he's going to show up at the Multiverse tournament there's no way he ends up getting wasted right here.

[Basako]

I hadn't thought about it, but the Genki Dama sword is already a likely candidate for removal based solely on the fact that all the remaining humans were killed last chapter.

But I think the sword has still a role, for the way Mai took the work of saving it before leaving. The Genki with the survivals help is out of the picture though.

[Noah]

I don't think vegetto is happening in the manga...

I still hope it will be Gogeta instead

[perucho1990]

I'm predicting that the Future Trunks arc will end with Vegetto defusing before he can finish Merged Zamasu, followed by the whole "it's hopeless and we've lost and it's all over" situation. Then Gokū remembers the button Zen-chan gave him and presses it, then Zen-chan shows up, gets irritated, and decides to destroy everything along with Merged Zamasu. Gokū, Vegeta, Trunks, and Mai all pile into the Time Machine and head back to the present. No Genki Dama sword, no Zamasu becoming one with existence, none of that stuff.

Since the link to Trunks' timeline is now effectively lost (along with it being kind of...destroyed), instead of Gokū jumping into the Time Machine to go retrieve Zen-chan, Zen-chan appears before them of his own volition since all of existence is gone in his timeline and because he's Zen-chan and by gosh he can. From there, all of the stuff with Gokū bringing Zen-chan to befriend Zen-chan takes place as we're already familiar with.

That's how I think the Future Trunks arc will end. I'm usually wrong, though, so don't count on it.

While this next part isn't necessarily a prediction, I really hope that instead of the whole sending Trunks and Mai into an earlier version of their timeline to coexist with themselves scenario, we'll have a coming together of the Trunks without a timeline and the timeline without a Trunks (in which Cell killed Trunks) by taking Cell's time machine to that timeline, complete with either Gowasu or Shin taking a look at the Time Ring box and remarking that one of the rings has mysteriously disappeared, representative of Trunks' timeline being eradicated. I'm not counting on it, though.

This was interesting but if only had the current animation it couldve been very memorable, like as memorable as the Eclipse from Berserk.

I also liked the whole becoming 1 with the Universes because it proves Champa was right in the Super Dragon Balls having no limits. It needed Zeno to kill an immortal being.

[micah007]

This was interesting but if only had the current animation it couldve been very memorable, like as memorable as the Eclipse from Berserk.

I also liked the whole becoming 1 with the Universes because it proves Champa was right in the Super Dragon Balls having no limits. It needed Zeno to kill an immortal being.

That was very interesting to me. Not only do I hope that climax is in the manga, but I hope Toyotaro can be a bit more creative with it than what we saw in the anime.

[Miracles]

In Chapter 20, Future Zamasu says something to the effect that he investigated all of the parallel worlds via the time rings and found that, compared to the "main timeline", nothing in any of the other parallel worlds should hinder the Zero Mortals Plan. Immediately afterward, Future Zamasu remarks that the Zero Mortals Plan will be carried out across all five parallel worlds before noticing the sixth ring created by Beerus destroying Zamasu.

Two questions.

1. Does this imply that nobody in any of the 12 universes throughout the five timelines up to that point, aside from obviously the Hakaishin, could pose any sort of comparable threat to the Zero Mortals Plan as Gokū and Vegeta do? If that's the case, I imagine they won't have much, if any, real competition during the Tournament of Power, but I imagine that can't really be the case. (Does this also mean that Gokū and friends from the other timeline, the "unseen timeline", in which Trunks didn't come back because he was killed by Cell either didn't amount to much or were perhaps even wiped out at some point? I'd imagine Future Zamasu would have specifically checked out what Gokū was doing.)

Afterthought: They didn't seem to anticipate Gokū and Vegeta being able to interfere (though that may be because Zamasu took Gokū's body), so I'd imagine it's feasible that Future Zamasu would end up overlooking other potential threats, like Hit for example, even if out of pure overconfidence in himself.

2. Might there be a reason why Future Zamasu and Black didn't recruit the other three Zamasu from the other three parallel worlds? The only two (kind of three) featured are from the "main timeline" (Black), Trunks' timeline (Future Zamasu), and the "main timeline" Zamasu who was destroyed by Beerus, creating the sixth Time Ring.

I'm still wondering how did you get three Zamasu? I only count two. As the Kai of universe 7 said so in chapter 20. One is from the past [Black], the one Beerus supposedly wasted and the other [Zamasu] from the future alternate world created by Beerus when blowing away current Zamasu. It does seem that Zamasu exploring the five other parallel worlds do not seem as a threat. Guess SSJR Black is enough to handle whoever is in those worlds.

I always thought that the timeline Trunks was killed in was the same future Trunks came and killed the androids in and was going to go back to the past world [where the Z fighters ALREADY defeated perfect Cell] to let them know he killed the androids but Cell kills him takes the machine? This all happens THREE years after Trunks kills android 17 and 18 and are no longer in this future world. So Cell leaves three years into the future. This is the reason why Cell takes the time machine and goes back 4 years into the past instead of three like Trunks did. The only reason why Cell sees Trunks in the past after killing him in the future is because Trunks arrived in the past with the time machine as well and killing future Trunks has no bearing on past trunks. Different person hence why both of their time machines were in the same era.

[Black Hawk]

I'm still wondering how did you get three Zamasu? I only count two. As the Kai of universe 7 said so in chapter 20. One is from the past [Black], the one Beerus supposedly wasted and the other [Zamasu] from the future alternate world created by Beerus when blowing away current Zamasu. It does seem that Zamasu exploring the five other parallel worlds do not seem as a threat. Guess SSJR Black is enough to handle whoever is in those worlds.

I always thought that the timeline Trunks was killed in was the same future Trunks came and killed the androids in and was going to go back to the past world [where the Z fighters ALREADY defeated perfect Cell] to let them know he killed the androids but Cell kills him takes the machine? This all happens THREE years after Trunks kills android 17 and 18 and are no longer in this future world. So Cell leaves three years into the future. This is the reason why Cell takes the time machine and goes back 4 years into the past instead of three like Trunks did. The only reason why Cell sees Trunks in the past after killing him in the future is because Trunks arrived in the past with the time machine as well and killing future Trunks has no bearing on past trunks. Different person hence why both of their time machines were in the same era.

When I say three Zamasu, I should really specify that two of those three are technically the same Zamasu. The Zamasu who became Black is, of course, the exact same Zamasu who was destroyed by Beerus, which is what creates the sixth time ring. What I'm curious about is why Black and Future Zamasu didn't recruit any of the other three Zamasu who live in the timelines of the other three time rings; those three Zamasu never appear nor are they ever mentioned at all in the story.

With regard to the second part of your reply, I was under the impression that, for Trunks who was killed by Cell, there was no Perfect Cell in the past because the artificial humans were shut down via a device made based on Gero's blueprints. When Trunks returned to his own time, he also shut down the artificial humans and thus eliminating them. Three years later, he was going to use the time machine again, except, this time, he was going to go back in time one year prior to his original journey, perhaps to create a timeline in which the artificial humans are never a threat to start with because he can just shut them down before they can do anything. Of course, Cell kills him (The training in the Room of Spirit and Time didn't happen because of the shut-down device.) before he can and takes the time machine for himself without changing any of the coordinates. In this way, Cell, who then buried himself in the ground to grow, is present both in the timeline of the Trunks we know and love and the timeline he went into which has continued all the way to the battle against Black now.

[Xeztin]

I wonder if Vegeto will be replaced with Gogeta.

[Lord Beerus]

I wonder if Vegeto will be replaced with Gogeta.

I hope he does. Because if that happens, we're gonna see someone eat a shoe.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I wonder if Vegeto will be replaced with Gogeta.

I hope he does. Because if that happens, we're gonna see someone eat a shoe.

It would make zero sense for him to show up since logically he should be far weaker than Merged Zamasu and his fusion time would be like 5 seconds, but I hope it happens anyway.

[emperior]

Maybe the Trunks who was killed by Cell was able to shutdown the androids in the unseen timeline, but we don't know how many Z-Fighters died in that timeline. It's possible the androids were as reckless as they were in the future, so everyone except for Trunks, Gohan, maybe Goku (unless the virus killed him in that timeline) and maybe Krillin were killed. In that timeline Trunks would have found the blueprints of the androids because they were able to locate Dr Gero's base in that timeline too. It's possible Trunks didn't destroy Cell, or if he did, he didn't destroy him on purpose but just wanted to destroy Gero's base. Maybe he found Cell and didn't quite get what that thing was supposed to be but destroyed it anyway.
So once Trunks deactived the androids in his future too, he wanted to go back to the past once again to create a new timeline in which his father and the others are still alive. This didn't happen because Cell killed him and stole his time machine.

Basically the timelines would be like that:

Timeline 1 - Future Trunks is killed by Cell, who steals his time machine and goes back in time without changing the dates (4 years before the androids show up)
Timeline 2 - Butterfly effect because of Timeline 1's Future Trunks giving Goku the medicine and warning everyone of the androids. 17 and 18 are still as reckless as Timeline 1 ones, but there are also two new androids (19 and 20)
Timeline 3 - Butterfly effect because of Cell arriving 1 year before Future Trunks, and Trunks giving Goku the medicine and warning everyone of the androids. 17 and 18 are more powerful but less reckless. There are three new androids: 19, 20 and 16. Many years after the Cell Games Zamasu notices Goku, they fight for unknown reasons, and one year later Zamasu steals his body
Timeline 4 - Because of Cell arriving in the same timeline which was later changed by Trunks, Trunks is still alive and comes back from this timeline. After the Cell Games, Trunks goes back to Timeline 4 and kills Cell. Many years later this timeline is attacked by Goku Black, and after many events all the universes of this timeline gets destroyed by the Zeno of that world
Timeline 5 - Same as Timeline 3, except for the fact Trunks goes back in time once again to warn Goku and the others of Black. Before Zamasu is able to carry on with his plan, Beerus kills him
Timeline 6 - Same as Timeline 4 but Whis tells Future Whis and Future Beerus about Black and Zamasu, and Future Beerus deals with them with a much better sealing technique than Mafuba. There are two Future Trunks and two Mai in this world


(Some things in this post may be wrong, please point out any errors if you spot them)