"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Miracles]

By that logic, Future Zamasu or Future Zen'o shouldn't exist since Trunks only changed the past for Universe 7. Alternate timeline split all universes. They only didn't recruit other Zamasu because they haven't started the plan in other timelines.

Future Zamasu existing is due to Beerus wasting him. Hence the time ring created from that.
Future Zeno is accurate because he is already from that future world of Trunks. So he took that future Zeno to play with the Zeno in the parallel past universe 7 timeline.

No, the ones who split due to Beerus killing him are present Zamasu/Goku Black.

Zen'o doesn't live in Universe 7 so I don't really understand what you meant.

Zeno oversees all the 12 universes. We know there is an alternate future world for universe 7, naturally Goku will be able to summon Zeno from that time as well. Bringing this Zeno in the other parallel past world to play with that Zeno. This is in the same universe seven timeline/alternate worlds. As for Zamasu, please elaborate on what you mean?

[pacz360]

Gogeta would literally last only like five seconds at best as ssjb
Also vegetto won't get replaced unlike gogeta who was pretty a movie and gt thing only vegetto

[Noah]

Yep, but they're still mortal beings using a mortal technique to fuse.

It just doesn't hold any weight if you have to pretend that Goku and Vegeta aren't gods when they are directly stated to be them.

Vegetto just works better. Two humans who became gods using tools of the gods to combat a god gone mad. Assuming Toyotaro doesn't deviate too much from what happened, Gogeta being there over Vegetto would be purely fanservice and cause more harm then good, since the question of "Why won't they just fuse?" to deal with everything will still be unanswered in the manga.

Stated where? Don't come with dub lines, Goku and Vegeta were stated to have obtained the power of the Gods, but not that they have become Gods.
Gogeta would be better not just for the symbolism but as emperior pointed: "would also make more sense power levels wise, especially in the manga where Future Zamasu is nowhere near SSB level."

And by which manga do you refer to? If you're talking about Z: Goku suggested that he and Vegeta could do the fusion dance, but he refused. If you're talking about Super: In BoG Goku realized that fusion would probably be not enough to defeat Beerus, in RoF they didn't even want to fight together fusion would be a "hell no" possibility in this scenario and in the next arc too.

[HECTOR4]

Joke in the Shonen Jump this week. Can someone translate this, please? ^^



[spoiler][/spoiler]

[MathSSJ]

Yep, but they're still mortal beings using a mortal technique to fuse.

It just doesn't hold any weight if you have to pretend that Goku and Vegeta aren't gods when they are directly stated to be them.

Vegetto just works better. Two humans who became gods using tools of the gods to combat a god gone mad. Assuming Toyotaro doesn't deviate too much from what happened, Gogeta being there over Vegetto would be purely fanservice and cause more harm then good, since the question of "Why won't they just fuse?" to deal with everything will still be unanswered in the manga.

Stated where? Don't come with dub lines, Goku and Vegeta were stated to have obtained the power of the Gods, but not that they have become Gods.
Gogeta would be better not just for the symbolism but as emperior pointed: "would also make more sense power levels wise, especially in the manga where Future Zamasu is nowhere near SSB level."

And by which manga do you refer to? If you're talking about Z: Goku suggested that he and Vegeta could do the fusion dance, but he refused. If you're talking about Super: In BoG Goku realized that fusion would probably be not enough to defeat Beerus, in RoF they didn't even want to fight together fusion would be a "hell no" possibility in this scenario and in the next arc too.

I don't watch the dub nor do I care about anything in it other then poking fun at some cringe-inducing moments. I'm not even a native english speaker.

From the anime, in Ep. 10:

Gohan: "I can't sense dad's ki at all."
Whis: "That's fine. After all, the ki a god emits cannot be sensed by ordinary humans."
Gohan: "Then dad really is a..."
Whis: "Yes, Super Saiyan God. I don't know whether he's the same as Beerus-sama or the Kaioshins, but at the very least he's become as much of a god as they are."

There are also Toriyama interviews where he directly refers to post-BoG Goku as a god and in the DBS manga, Piccolo directly calls Goku a god after he transforms into SSJ God. Seems pretty clear that they are actual gods, regardless of continuity.

Gogeta wouldn't actually make sense without retconing being involved in some sort. If SSJ3 makes it last 5 minutes, Blue being fuckton of times stronger then that would make it last seconds.

And no, Goku and Vegeta just being bitches and not wanting to fuse is not an acceptable answer either. If you are gonna portray the characters actually caring and trying their hardest to win against the enemy, the Potara fusion must be addressed, especially now that it's so stupidly easy to get a pair of them due to Gowasu and Shin being around and freely able to travel through time.

[Alruneia]

Joke in the Shonen Jump this week. Can someone translate this, please? ^^
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I am by no means a translator, but I think the comic says something like
Trunks: Solar Flare!
Zamasu: What is this technique!
Black: S... Shit!
Chiaotzu: What is it?
Tien: I feel like a god somewhere said "What is this technique" about my technique.
Chiaotzu: Never mind it, Tien-san.

[Noah]

There are also Toriyama interviews where he directly refers to post-BoG Goku as a god and in the DBS manga, Piccolo directly calls Goku a god after he transforms into SSJ God. Seems pretty clear that they are actual gods, regardless of continuity.

Gogeta wouldn't actually make sense without retconing being involved in some sort. If SSJ3 makes it last 5 minutes, Blue being fuckton of times stronger then that would make it last seconds.

And no, Goku and Vegeta just being bitches and not wanting to fuse is not an acceptable answer either. If you are gonna portray the characters actually caring and trying their hardest to win against the enemy, the Potara fusion must be addressed, especially now that it's so stupidly easy to get a pair of them due to Gowasu and Shin being around and freely able to travel through time.

You said it right: "after", they got the power of the Gods but that doesn't make them Gods like Kaioshin and Hakaishin, even though Black compliments Vegeta for achieving this kinda of power he and Zamasu still treat them as mere mortals which is right implying they didn't became deities just because of that.

It's not because it's a stronger transformation but like SSJ3, SSJB also has drawbacks that even though it's nice Toyotaro adressing this form has flaws is a dumb and overused concept in this series, so yeah I can agree Gogeta Blue would probably not last enough, but you can always have him finishing Merged Zamasu fast as he did with Super Janemba.

It is a acceptable answer because they're not taking Golden Freeza seriously, but now it's different with Zamasu and Black that are multitemporal threats and Gowasu is dead, they probably only have Shin to give them his Potara earings.

[HECTOR4]

I am by no means a translator, but I think the comic says something like
Trunks: Solar Flare!
Zamasu: What is this technique!
Black: S... Shit!
Chiaotzu: What is it?
Tien: I feel like a god somewhere said "What is this technique" about my technique.
Chiaotzu: Never mind it, Tien-san.

Thank you!! ^^

[kinisking]

Joke in the Shonen Jump this week. Can someone translate this, please? ^^
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I am by no means a translator, but I think the comic says something like
Trunks: Solar Flare!
Zamasu: What is this technique!
Black: S... Shit!
Chiaotzu: What is it?
Tien: I feel like a god somewhere said "What is this technique" about my technique.
Chiaotzu: Never mind it, Tien-san.

...That joke is horrible.

[DragonBallLove]

Joke in the Shonen Jump this week. Can someone translate this, please? ^^
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I am by no means a translator, but I think the comic says something like
Trunks: Solar Flare!
Zamasu: What is this technique!
Black: S... Shit!
Chiaotzu: What is it?
Tien: I feel like a god somewhere said "What is this technique" about my technique.
Chiaotzu: Never mind it, Tien-san.

...That joke is horrible.

Its a zen version of the atchoo gag when someone is speaking about you. I found it profoundly funny in a japanese phlegmatic way.

[pacz360]

There are also Toriyama interviews where he directly refers to post-BoG Goku as a god and in the DBS manga, Piccolo directly calls Goku a god after he transforms into SSJ God. Seems pretty clear that they are actual gods, regardless of continuity.

Gogeta wouldn't actually make sense without retconing being involved in some sort. If SSJ3 makes it last 5 minutes, Blue being fuckton of times stronger then that would make it last seconds.

And no, Goku and Vegeta just being bitches and not wanting to fuse is not an acceptable answer either. If you are gonna portray the characters actually caring and trying their hardest to win against the enemy, the Potara fusion must be addressed, especially now that it's so stupidly easy to get a pair of them due to Gowasu and Shin being around and freely able to travel through time.

You said it right: "after", they got the power of the Gods but that doesn't make them Gods like Kaioshin and Hakaishin, even though Black compliments Vegeta for achieving this kinda of power he and Zamasu still treat them as mere mortals which is right implying they didn't became deities just because of that.

It's not because it's a stronger transformation but like SSJ3, SSJB also has drawbacks that even though it's nice Toyotaro adressing this form has flaws is a dumb and overused concept in this series, so yeah I can agree Gogeta Blue would probably not last enough, but you can always have him finishing Merged Zamasu fast as he did with Super Janemba.

It is a acceptable answer because they're not taking Golden Freeza seriously, but now it's different with Zamasu and Black that are multitemporal threats and Gowasu is dead, they probably only have Shin to give them his Potara earings.

Gowasu is not even confirmed to be dead yet

[micah007]

I don't think Gowasu is dead. If he's not saved this upcoming chapter with a Senzu or Kai healing, then this would be a perfect opportunity to see Whis Time Rewind in the manga.

[The gr]

Here's my bingo game of this month chapter [spoiler]

-someone is going to ask about the leaks or when the chapter is going to come out

-gowasu is going to come back to life

-no rage Goku scene, everyone is going to complain

-vegeta is going to trash Goku black,a lot of people are going to freak out and the power scaling is going to get screwed

-trunks is also going to get trashed

-someone is going to say this is so much better than the anime and vice versa

- there's going to be someone nitpicking over a leak

someone is complaining about no one criticizing the manga

-people will still complain about black characterization, saying he not flamboyant like his epic anime counterparts which I agree

-goku will figth Goku black

- merged zamasu will appear and lastly there's no gogeta,so the mule is not going to eat his shoes

- trunks will learn the mafuba[/spoiler]I mean is obvious vegito will appear at the end of the chapter

[Noah]

I don't think Gowasu is dead. If he's not saved this upcoming chapter with a Senzu or Kai healing, then this would be a perfect opportunity to see Whis Time Rewind in the manga.

But Whis is not in the future.

[micah007]

I don't think Gowasu is dead. If he's not saved this upcoming chapter with a Senzu or Kai healing, then this would be a perfect opportunity to see Whis Time Rewind in the manga.

But Whis is not in the future.

Just have him intercept Gowasu before he goes to confront Black in the future. That should work.

[LightBing]

I can't wait for next chapter. Maybe we'll get to see Absolute Zamasu, how the Mafuba attempt goes(please not like the anime), Vegeta's training results and Gowasu's status.
We will also see if the new page count is here to stay or if last chapter was an anomaly.

I'm pretty happy the manga was allowed to grow and have it's own spin of the story. It makes the Super brand so much better for me.

[Xeztin]

There are also Toriyama interviews where he directly refers to post-BoG Goku as a god and in the DBS manga, Piccolo directly calls Goku a god after he transforms into SSJ God. Seems pretty clear that they are actual gods, regardless of continuity.

Gogeta wouldn't actually make sense without retconing being involved in some sort. If SSJ3 makes it last 5 minutes, Blue being fuckton of times stronger then that would make it last seconds.

And no, Goku and Vegeta just being bitches and not wanting to fuse is not an acceptable answer either. If you are gonna portray the characters actually caring and trying their hardest to win against the enemy, the Potara fusion must be addressed, especially now that it's so stupidly easy to get a pair of them due to Gowasu and Shin being around and freely able to travel through time.

You said it right: "after", they got the power of the Gods but that doesn't make them Gods like Kaioshin and Hakaishin, even though Black compliments Vegeta for achieving this kinda of power he and Zamasu still treat them as mere mortals which is right implying they didn't became deities just because of that.

It's not because it's a stronger transformation but like SSJ3, SSJB also has drawbacks that even though it's nice Toyotaro adressing this form has flaws is a dumb and overused concept in this series, so yeah I can agree Gogeta Blue would probably not last enough, but you can always have him finishing Merged Zamasu fast as he did with Super Janemba.

It is a acceptable answer because they're not taking Golden Freeza seriously, but now it's different with Zamasu and Black that are multitemporal threats and Gowasu is dead, they probably only have Shin to give them his Potara earings.

The way it was stated in the latest dub episode, Whis called Goku an actual Deity, he doubted that he was in the same realm as Beerus and the others (Meaning he doesn't have an official title in my opinion.) The way I took this was that Goku gained the "Divine" energy of the God's and he is himself now infact a Deity. He is a God, or at least he has the powers of the Gods, but he doesn't have the title or job such as Beerus the god of destruction or Kaioshin creator. What would you call a God who actually didn't have a "godly" job such as creation or destruction, but had the power of the gods themselves? I'd call him a Deity, or a freelance Deity

But I really think Whis meant he has the power of the gods and is a god by divine energy (that only gods have) but he isn't an official god because he has no job or title like Beerus, so call him a Deity.

To make it less confusing, I'd think of Beerus who has divine energy, quitting the job of God of Destruction. What would you call him since he has divine energy and he is so strong? A God or a Deity? The reason I give this example is because God's of Destruction at least don't have to be born a God like the Kaioshins, the recent examples are Whis asking Goku to be the new GoD after Beerus kicks the bucket, and Toppo being a next in line GoD.

The word "God" in Super seems to be an honorary title of one's place in the Dragon World rather than how strong one is over a mass of people. Kaioshin's are about SSJ2 tier at the most to back this example up. I wonder sometimes if even someone could replace Zen-Oh, since he is referd to as King of All instead of God. While I think Deity would be used to describe anyone who has obtained Divine Energy, but they just call them all Gods because they all have the same energy.

[The gr]

Here's an underated panel that no one pays attention to

at least this version of zamasu admires The beauty of destruction

[Analytical Delusion]

I'm pretty sure Toyotaro has not shown Goku using kaioken at any point yet. Very curious in seeing if Goku does this month, and if Vegito makes an appearance.

[OLKv3]

Here's an underated panel that no one pays attention to

at least this version of zamasu admires The beauty of destruction

More like he admires himself

Anyway can't wait for April's chapter, just to see how everyone reacts when the Vegetto retcon makes an appearance