Is GT REALLY Non-Canon?

[TheGreatness25]

I believe that GT is part of the story. If there is a sequel to the series, it has to take place after GT in my eyes. It can't just be ignored and have people pretend it never existed. I mean look at the impact, whether positive or negative, that it has created. DBO cannot be canon because there are so many possibilities. How can it be canon if every player will have a totally different experience? Video games cannot be canon unless there is a solid specific storyline plotted out. However if any player can choose any character and go through different things than others (even something as simple as to the way they win fights, think about how many arguments come from the fights in DBZ), how can it be canon?

However, I think people look too far into what Akira Toriyama said about GT. What else was he supposed to say? Politically it only made sense and was a good business decision to say what he did, but that doesn't make it true. What was he supposed to say about them? Was he supposed to say he hated it? The company that paid him for his stories and helped create his legacy, was he supposed to bad-mouth their product?

[B]

I believe that GT is part of the story. If there is a sequel to the series, it has to take place after GT in my eyes.

That just might be where you done goofed; you're using your eyes and not your ears; the characters use the terms "Sacred Water" and "Tsufru;" all terms that find their ground in the anime, an adaptation of the source material.

DBO cannot be canon because there are so many possibilities. How can it be canon if every player will have a totally different experience?

I would say it's fairly obvious anything from DBO that would be considered within the manga's conitinuity is story information. Aspects such as gameplay(EXP, items, etc.) aren't, because, well, Dragon Ball is not a game. =/

[Bussani]

It can't just be ignored and have people pretend it never existed.

Why not? Authors do it all the time. Just look at Tenchi Muyo! as an example. The first 6 OVA episodes happen, then you get some kind of canon-fork in the road; there's a manga that continues where episode 6 left off and takes the story in one direction, and there's a second OVA that continues the story in a completely different direction. So that's two separate canons that are both sequels to the same beginning.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[SonEric84]

If DBGT is considered a real sequel to DBZ, then why did movie characters appear in the super 17 saga?
Perhaps "The movies" did happen, they were just never mentioned in the anime episodes?

There are very few movies that you could realistically fit into the story's continuity. I mean for instance, try logically placing movie 3 in there. It seems like it should be after the Saiyan arc (Goku has the kaioken and genkidama), but then most of the Z-fighters should be in the after life at this point.

[Makaioshin]

It can't just be ignored and have people pretend it never existed.

Why not? Authors do it all the time. Just look at Tenchi Muyo! as an example. The first 6 OVA episodes happen, then you get some kind of canon-fork in the road; there's a manga that continues where episode 6 left off and takes the story in one direction, and there's a second OVA that continues the story in a completely different direction. So that's two separate canons that are both sequels to the same beginning.

If DBGT is considered a real sequel to DBZ, then why did movie characters appear in the super 17 saga?
Perhaps "The movies" did happen, they were just never mentioned in the anime episodes?

Cameo appearances.

[Savage68]

None of those "impossible to fit" characters appeared in GT, so that isn't an issue.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Hellspawn28]

Cameos does not mean Movie 5 is canon to the anime. Seeing that GT is stated to be a flow up to the DBZ anime, the only movies that would be counted as canon to the anime would be Movie 1 (Due to the Garlic Jr saga happeing), and Movie 13 since Goku knows the Dragon dragon fist attack.

[Savage68]

The Dragon Fist didn't give off any indication of being an already-existing technique in Goku's arsenal for Movie 13 or in GT, so why would they need to be apart of the same continuity?

[Gaffer Tape]

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But that quote is using the exact same argument to uphold GT canonicity that he's berating others who dismiss its canonicity: He likes it-->therefore it's canon. But it seems to me that it's moot as I don't think anyone in this thread has said, "It's not canon simply because I don't like it." People have given legitimate reasons as to why it's not, and it's not just "because it sucks."

[Bussani]

If DBGT is considered a real sequel to DBZ, then why did movie characters appear in the super 17 saga?
Perhaps "The movies" did happen, they were just never mentioned in the anime episodes?

Calling it a sequel only means that when you watch it you're supposed to understand that Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z happened before it. Canonicity doesn't matter. Like I pointed out with my Tenchi Muyo! example, you can have a sequel/continuation that isn't part of the main canon--in fact, you can have several sequels that continue from the same point in the story.

I've been struggling to think of a good example... How about Men in Black? There was the film. Then they made an animated series that continued where the film left off. But then, out comes Men in Black II, which completely ignored the animated series. Both are sequels, but only one is "movie canon". As such, GT can be a sequel without being manga/Toriyama canon.

"Hmm... all this talk about GT being non canon just because it's hated."

I'm pretty sure I said earlier that like and dislike have little to nothing to do with something being canon. I don't understand why it's a problem though; canonicity shouldn't be a factor in your enjoyment of something.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[B]

It's the official sequel though seeming that it ends the whole story, and as well as being the only sequel.. (DBO doesn't count). Not in this debate!

What, what, what, what, and what.

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

If DBGT is considered a real sequel to DBZ, then why did movie characters appear in the super 17 saga?
Perhaps "The movies" did happen, they were just never mentioned in the anime episodes?

The movie characters appears in Dragonball GT because it's a sign that Dragonball GT is only canon to the movies and anime and plain and simple.

[Bussani]

It's the official sequel though

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.

[Zephyr]

It's the official sequel though seeming that it ends the whole story, and as well as being the only sequel.. (DBO doesn't count). Not in this debate!

Until Toriyama pens a new story there IS no "official sequel".

[TheGreatness25]

I think that the person meant it's the official sequel to the anime, which is my point of view as well.