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[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Fox666]

When I say "bad drawn" I mean bad character design. They are just the most horrible characters from Toei. I can't imagine how someone inpired by Toriyama, whom the best thing he does is drawing dragons and dinossaurs, cannot create nice looking dragons.

Whenever Majin Boo saga has some small inconsistencies, it's different from GT which is completely inconsistent.

[Chibi Gohan]

Some of the concepts used in GT weren't that bad, in fact I thought the dragons and the overuse of the Dragon Balls was an awesome idea. However, like the rest of GT that was poorly executed. Add in the fact that everyone not named Goku seems practically useless just brings down the show even more. They were wasted potential, especially Uub. GT had some nice music though.

[Raithos]

I liked GT, I looked past the plot inconsistencies and the horrible stories sometimes. I waited it out and got SSJ4 Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta. Would I watch it again? Not a fat chance in your mothers smelly underwear, but it was... "ok".

[Cipher]

To put an earlier argument to rest, I watched the episode with the Tsufuruian flashback the other day.

It does show the Saiyans coming to the planet in ... some kind of round pods. But they're barely onscreen for a second. It's not worth scrutinizing them in anyway.

After that, Baby makes several comments that seem to imply the Saiyans lived on the planet for a while. I specifically remember one about how the Tsufurians "couldn't have predicted the Saiyans would evolve so fast." At any rate, it makes it seem like their struggle was on-going. The implication is strongly that the Saiyans came to the planet, co-existed with the Tsufurians for a while, and then finally wiped them out.

It even fits in well with Kaiou's version back in Z, because although full moons come less frequently on Planet Plant, I don't think the length of time he gives is more than one generation. So the Saiyans can't have been on the planet for a huge amount of time.

[dbgtFO]

To put an earlier argument to rest, I watched the episode with the Tsufuruian flashback the other day.

It does show the Saiyans coming to the planet in ... some kind of round pods. But they're barely onscreen for a second. It's not worth scrutinizing them in anyway.

After that, Baby makes several comments that seem to imply the Saiyans lived on the planet for a while. I specifically remember one about how the Tsufurians "couldn't have predicted the Saiyans would evolve so fast." At any rate, it makes it seem like their struggle was on-going. The implication is strongly that the Saiyans came to the planet, co-existed with the Tsufurians for a while, and then finally wiped them out.

It even fits in well with Kaiou's version back in Z, because although full moons come less frequently on Planet Plant, I don't think the length of time he gives is more than one generation. So the Saiyans can't have been on the planet for a huge amount of time.

I can't find anything contradicting Kaio's story either. All that is different is that the Saiyajins got an expanded backstory, which is a retcon just like Goku being an alien is.
And I really don't see, why anyone would include Plan to Eradicate the Saiyajins in any kind of argument, since it pretty much doesn't fit with anything and shouldn't be considered canon to anything other than itself IMHO.

[Bussani]

I disagree, canonicity is not related to continuity.

If Toriyama writes a side-story that has no connection with the plot of the main series, but that still happen in the same universe, it would be canon.

That's what I meant. If you say two stories are in the same continuity, they're set in the same universe. If it's set in the same universe, even if it doesn't directly relate to pre-established characters, that's still often said to be one continuity. Maybe this is just a matter of semantics, though...

But heck, even that isn't a perfect way of determining canon. An author can very well write a story that appears to be set in the same universe and everything, and then turn around and declare it non-canon. They're the author, so it's their right.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

The Saiyans were just a bunch of barbarian natives in the DBZ flashback, but weren't they fully armored space invaders (led by King Vegeta) in DBGT and the OVA? That's a pretty big contradiction.

[Ringworm128]

The Saiyans were just a bunch of barbarian natives in the DBZ flashback, but weren't they fully armored space invaders (led by King Vegeta) in DBGT and the OVA? That's a pretty big contradiction.

I never thought of that mabey this is how it happend. King Vegeta: Can we please keep the next planet we conquer Freeza? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! Freeza: Well alright I suppose you can. King Vegeta: Can I name it? Freeza sure why not? King Vegeta: YAAAAAAY!

[Fox666]

The Saiyans were just a bunch of barbarian natives in the DBZ flashback, but weren't they fully armored space invaders (led by King Vegeta) in DBGT and the OVA? That's a pretty big contradiction.

Heck, I find it very weird how they use the tsufurujin thing in anime, GT, movies...

Personally I don't even find it a good story. I don't know why they keep using it as basis for new stories...

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

The Buu saga had some non-sense power scaling as well lol. Not liking it because you didn't like the drawing ha! That's just your opinion. You can't say a saga sucks, and seem like you're speaking for hundreds of people lol. Besides, who doesn't like the Genki Dama? It's in the previous series, why not GT? I think it's traditional. =)

Not picking on you but the whole basis behind this thread is opinionated. The topic is on why people dislike GT and he gave one of his personal reasons; honestly I agree with him too.

I will say that the concept behind the Dark Dragon saga was a good one but again, Toei's poor writing killed it for me. It felt like everything was borrowed from other sagas in Z(and this could be applied to all of GT honestly)in fact, the ending felt like a direct clone; Genki Dama and all.

[Cipher]

The Saiyans were just a bunch of barbarian natives in the DBZ flashback, but weren't they fully armored space invaders (led by King Vegeta) in DBGT and the OVA? That's a pretty big contradiction.

In Baby's flashback, they emerge from their pods in the same ragged cavemen clothes they have in Kaiou's version.

They did come from space, but with limited resources. They then spent some unspecified amount of time on Planet Plant alongside the Tsufuruians. There's really nothing contradictory.

Doesn't Kaiou even specify in Z that the Tsufurians are smaller than Saiyans because of the planet's high gravity? That strongly implies that the Saiyans aren't natives. And if they were, they would have wiped them out during a previous full moon.

The stories are so non-contradictory it's ridiculous.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

The Saiyans were just a bunch of barbarian natives in the DBZ flashback, but weren't they fully armored space invaders (led by King Vegeta) in DBGT and the OVA? That's a pretty big contradiction.

In Baby's flashback, they emerge from their pods in the same ragged cavemen clothes they have in Kaiou's version.

They did come from space, but with limited resources. They then spent some unspecified amount of time on Planet Plant alongside the Tsufuruians. There's really nothing contradictory.

Doesn't Kaiou even specify in Z that the Tsufurians are smaller than Saiyans because of the planet's high gravity? That strongly implies that the Saiyans aren't natives. And if they were, they would have wiped them out during a previous full moon.

The stories are so non-contradictory it's ridiculous.

Except for the whole fact that we are talking about barbarians. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of barbarians found the technology to send their entire race onto another planet. I thought they got all of their technological resources from the Truffles/Tsufuruians.

Also, when he said smaller he was referring to muscle size. The contrast was supposed to be Tsufurians= brains; Sayians=brawn. That doesn't prove anything. You said it yourself, they show up in a ship but then you pulled a Wizard of Oz (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain). The fact that the ships are there is what makes things contradictory.

Kaiou never mentioned an invasion from another plant; it was more of an uprising from a different race.