The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[hleV]

If Kienzan can cut a lot stronger opponent in half, why can't Shin Kikoho push them/their blast away?

[SuperForteX]

Eh, because that implies brute force. It's different to slice into someone than it is to push them, especially if they're actively trying to resist said pushing. It should still be strength based.

I'm kind of dissapointed this discussion fizzled out, but I guess Kaboom and I had reached the point where we had both spoken our pieces, and to go further would mean circling back and repeating ourselves.

It's clear neither of us can be convinced that we're wrong on the matter. I'm willing to accept this as an "agree to disagree" situation. I'm more confident than ever that the Shin Kiko had that kind of power behind it now that I've hashed out my argument and refined it through scrutiny, as I'm sure he's more confident than ever now that it didn't, and was simply a 'secondary effect'.

In the end, it's just perception.

[Piccolo Daimao]

As a side note, if Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho could kill #17 and #18...the fool should have suggested it instead of whining about how doomed they were after getting their asses handed to them against the two Androids. I mean, any plan's better than none, right? But it was all, "Wah, even the guy who killed Freeza couldn't hurt them. It's hopeless."

He probably figured that the Androids could just dodge it. Cell was taken by surprise by a Shin Kikoho that may or may not have been charged up before Cell noticed Tenshinhan hovering above him.

[Bussani]

As a side note, if Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho could kill #17 and #18...the fool should have suggested it instead of whining about how doomed they were after getting their asses handed to them against the two Androids. I mean, any plan's better than none, right? But it was all, "Wah, even the guy who killed Freeza couldn't hurt them. It's hopeless."

He probably figured that the Androids could just dodge it.

Yeah, but like I said, any plan is better than no plan and insisting there's nothing you can do.

[Kid Buu]

Since Rocketman did Spiderman in the 22nd Budokai...I am going to do Ryu (SF) in the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd Budokais!

He takes Yamcha's spot in all three tournaments, by the way.

[SuperForteX]

21st tournament. He loses to Roshi, in about as much time as Yamcha did.

22nd tournament. Tenshinhan knocks him out with a simple Kiai.

23rd tournament. Shen beats him 'accidentally' without the need to end his ruse.

[Super Sonic]

Since a lot of DBZ actors have been in recent Capcom games, has it ever made you think of vs. in a different way?

[SuperForteX]

The Pirate's Robot Guardian vs. an untrained Gokou.

[In Brightest Day]

Ginger, Sansho and Nicky vs. Beginning of Z Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Yamcha.

[In Brightest Day]

Android arc Son Gohan vs. base Future Trunks.


Sorry for the double post.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

For the first battle, I see the Spice Boys possibly winning if they have access to their full-power. Well, I could see Tien giving any of them a good fight since I don't see them much stronger than him once they're powered-up, if at all.

I think they're above Krillin and Yamcha, tho. If they're just fighting regular, I see the humans definitely taking the fight here.

The other fight is kinda hard. Gohan's power could be anywhere from low millions to much higher. Trunks is easily over 3 million by this point. I dunno. Maybe Trunks because he has a sword. Gohan is well trained by this point, so if they're around the same level, the fight should be close.

[Piccolo Daimao]

As a side note, if Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho could kill #17 and #18...the fool should have suggested it instead of whining about how doomed they were after getting their asses handed to them against the two Androids. I mean, any plan's better than none, right? But it was all, "Wah, even the guy who killed Freeza couldn't hurt them. It's hopeless."

He probably figured that the Androids could just dodge it.

Yeah, but like I said, any plan is better than no plan and insisting there's nothing you can do.

Well, just put it down to Toriyama not planning in advance. Or, as an in-universe explanation, perhaps Tenshinhan invented the Shin Kikoho in the gap between fighting the Androids and using it against Cell. It's a stretch, but it's not impossible.

[mattymoron]

Do you think if Nail had went to fight against the Ginyu Squad with Gohan and co. that it would have made any difference? What was his PL, like 42,000 or something?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Do you think if Nail had went to fight against the Ginyu Squad with Gohan and co. that it would have made any difference? What was his PL, like 42,000 or something?

Yeah, his battle power's 42,000. But I don't think it would've made much of a difference. He could've held his own against Recoom, but if Butta and Jheese sensed that he was in trouble, they would've eventually ganged up with Reacoom and overpower Nail. He wouldn't be able to win even if he teamed up with Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn, as Nail would be the only one who could keep up with just one of the members of the Ginyu Force's speed and power.

[Kirby456]

1. Tienshinhan Cell games vs Krillin Cell Games
2. Chiaotzu end of Z vs Yamcha
3. Supreme Kai vs Piccolo.

My opinions.

1. Tienshinhan wins in a close battle.
2. Yamcha destroys Chiaotzu.
3. Supreme Kai destroys Piccolo.

[Kaboom]

Do you think if Nail had went to fight against the Ginyu Squad with Gohan and co. that it would have made any difference? What was his PL, like 42,000 or something?

His power is equal or slightly superior to the Ginyu goons at best. On his own, he couldn't take all of them. But being added to Vegeta's team against them, he'd definitely make a big difference.

1. Tenshinhan Cell games vs Krillin Cell Games
2. Chiaotzu end of Z vs Yamcha
3. Supreme Kai vs Piccolo.

1) Kuririn is still the strongest human by the Cell Games. He's stated to be the strongest in the Boo arc, but even if Yamcha's mistaken and Ten has since surpassed him, that wouldn't have been the case when they all saw each other seven years prior. So barring any Kikoho or Kienzan shenenigans, Kuririn wins.

2) Probably Yamcha. Chaozu's always been the weakest of the humans.

3) Kaioshin may be more powerful than Piccolo, but with how much of an incompetent wuss he is, I think an actual battle could go either way.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I always had the Ginyu Force guys around 45,000 max, so that would be slightly stronger than Nail's max. And no, I doubt he'd make any difference, unless Reacoom fought all by himself without Jheese and Butta interfering. The battle would still come down to Nail and Reacoom, since the others wouldn't be able to do any damage to Reacoom.

1) Agree with Kaboom there.
2) I have no idea. Maybe Chaozu because he likely continued training with Tien.
3) Kaioshin absolutely destroys Piccolo. I don't think Piccolo can do anything here.

[Nineteen]

End-of-Z Krillin vs. Captain Ginyu

If he wins, then Ginyu gets the rest of the Ginyu Force.

I myself have Krillin ~165,000, so slightly weaker than Goku when he squared off against the Captain, but still strong enough to handle Ginyu.

[Kaboom]

End-of-Z Krillin vs. Captain Ginyu

If he wins, then Ginyu gets the rest of the Ginyu Force.

I have them as roughly equals. So if it's one-on-one, then Kuririn wins due to superior skill and fighting ability. But with the Captain having the team to back him up, Kuririn can't win.

[Nineteen]

End-of-Z Krillin vs. Captain Ginyu

If he wins, then Ginyu gets the rest of the Ginyu Force.

I have them as roughly equals. So if it's one-on-one, then Kuririn wins due to superior skill and fighting ability. But with the Captain having the team to back him up, Kuririn can't win.

So between 120,000 and 180,000 - Ginyu and Goku after his arrival on Namek? Sounds about right to me, though I have him closer to the latter than the former.