Kai Part 5 Discussion Thread

[funrush]

Ha, I actually found a mistake in the packaging for the DVD set. On the bottom of the back side, there is a three line basically listing credits, copyrights, etc. At the end of the first line, it says "Music by Kenji Yamamoto". How little of a mistake it is, it's still there.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Ha, I actually found a mistake in the packaging for the DVD set. On the bottom of the back side, there is a three line basically listing credits, copyrights, etc. At the end of the first line, it says "Music by Kenji Yamamoto". How little of a mistake it is, it's still there.

Right you are! How did they manage to do that? Copy & paste FTW.

[funrush]

Ha, I actually found a mistake in the packaging for the DVD set. On the bottom of the back side, there is a three line basically listing credits, copyrights, etc. At the end of the first line, it says "Music by Kenji Yamamoto". How little of a mistake it is, it's still there.

Right you are! How did they manage to do that? Copy & paste FTW.

Maybe they already finished designing the packaging before they knew about the whole music scandal.

[Innagadadavida]

Man, the trailers for Kai have been the best ones. They always get me so pumped.

[Cipher]

Man, the trailers for Kai have been the best ones. They always get me so pumped.

Couldn't agree more. At least these last two. The first four were kind of unremarkable, but both the Cell arc trailers have been fantastic. Best things since the old Toonami promos.

[funrush]

I still say my favorite is the first one. I love the silence and then Vegeta's "Looks like they've been waiting for us". The second, third, and fourth ones were okay but nothing amazing. But these past two were great.

[Codarik]

Ha, I actually found a mistake in the packaging for the DVD set. On the bottom of the back side, there is a three line basically listing credits, copyrights, etc. At the end of the first line, it says "Music by Kenji Yamamoto". How little of a mistake it is, it's still there.

Well technically his music is still in the episodes (eyecatch, NEP), so in a way it's not really a mistake. It's more like a credit for those two tracks.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Ha, I actually found a mistake in the packaging for the DVD set. On the bottom of the back side, there is a three line basically listing credits, copyrights, etc. At the end of the first line, it says "Music by Kenji Yamamoto". How little of a mistake it is, it's still there.

Well technically his music is still in the episodes (eyecatch, NEP), so in a way it's not really a mistake. It's more like a credit for those two tracks.

Which might make sense, if it weren't for the fact that Shunsuke Kikuchi's name is nowhere to be found on the packaging.

[GotenDaisuki]

At least FUNimation didn't forget to change "Kenji Yamamoto" to "Shunsuke Kikuchi" in the credits in the opening theme. That would have been an even bigger mistake.

[Aoi]

I was wondering, how would you rate the music from the Trunks vs. Frieza encounter in Part 5 of the DVD sets?

I loved the "Spaghetti Western" feel Yamamoto tried to give it. I was wondering if the revised version held up.

[Jackal puFF]

I was wondering, how would you rate the music from the Trunks vs. Freeza encounter in Part 5 of the DVD sets?

I loved the "Spaghetti Western" feel Yamamoto tried to give it. I was wondering if the revised version held up.

I think the revised version was horrible. It was such a huge downgrade. Yamamoto's was almost perfect. I just wish they could have matched his at least.

[Aoi]

Thank you.

I'm really disappointed. I just watched the episode and it was horrible. Not bad, horrible.

How does the rest of Part 5 measure? Is it still good to watch without Mr. Yamamoto's music?

[coola]

Just got Part 5,and I'm positively surprised with Kikuchi score,its much better than Yamamoto score,didnt like his score for Cyborgs saga,my short thoughts:
-Even through Trunks sound a little too "Kyle Reese tough guy" Dub is still top notch,and blow Japanese version away,Funimation actors sound very entusiastic,while Japanese are like "Come,say something into mic,go" Yes,Dub got some flaws,like "Dude,my car" But so does Japanese {In Episode 1,Bulma dont say a thing,even through her lips move,Zarbon doesnt say to Vegeta word about Freeza transformation ability,yet Vegeta say that he did}
-Really like emotionless voices of Cyborgs
-I almost forgot how much douche Yajirobe is in Anime,Gohan should punch him really hard

I must admit one thing,if you want watch Kai,watch it on Blu-ray,i used to watch fansub version ,and believe me,it doesnt do show justice at all

[Jackal puFF]

Thank you.

I'm really disappointed. I just watched the episode and it was horrible. Not bad, horrible.

How does the rest of Part 5 measure? Is it still good to watch without Mr. Yamamoto's music?

Surprisingly yes. The rest is pretty good compared to that episode.

[mc49399]

Finally received my copy and am watching through it. I miss Yamamoto's music, but I'm not disappointed with the Kikuchi score. Just came across something weird when Yamcha encounters the androids. 19 says there was a 92% probability it was Yamcha, but the Japanese went with 96%. Why needlessly change that?

[Kuwabara]

More like "Damn you, Kenji Yamamoto", for creating the plagiarized music and causing the music fiasco in the first place.

No, Gotham22 had it right. Damn Toei for getting rid of Kenji Yamamoto's music when no production companies even complained about it.

[KaiserNeko]

More like "Damn you, Kenji Yamamoto", for creating the plagiarized music and causing the music fiasco in the first place.

No, Gotham22 had it right. Damn Toei for getting rid of Kenji Yamamoto's music when no production companies even complained about it.

Um, that's -your assumption-, actually...

This is mostly, if not ENTIRELY, Yamamoto's fault. It's blatant plagiarism on his part; Toei is doing what they SHOULD be doing to keep their product and business safe.

[ohaimynameiserik]

I really think they would have been fine to just replace the obviously infringing tracks with ones from the previous OST releases and give us a more consistent product. Granted, Kenji Yamamoto would still be getting paid, but it's not like they'd have to ever hire him for any work ever again.

[Gotham22]

Yamamoto has been doing this for years with Z and now Toei desides to do something about it with Kai.

[VegettoEX]

So hey, let's actually look at the facts. 'Cuz, ya' know, that makes for a more logical, complete, and accurate discussion .

It is unknown whether or not any company/organization/individual, and to what extent said entity is involved with the movies/music/television business, independently approached Toei about the music in the series. Per TripleRach's translation of the document Toei posted:

The existence of multiple suspicious musical pieces which may infringe on the rights of third parties has been confirmed within the musical compositions recorded for "Dragon Ball Kai", an animated television work produced by this firm. The relevant musical pieces are used as background music in "Dragon Ball Kai", and measures are promptly being taken to replace the relevant musical pieces from the background music of "Dragon Ball Kai".

Also, we are proceeding with a swift investigation of the facts, and discussion of countermeasures with concerned parties in the near future.

Multiple pieces. They exist. "May" infringe on the rights. Third parties. Confirmed within the background music for Kai.

Gotcha, Toei.

So what don't we know?

- We don't know WHICH PIECES are the infringing ones (even though we have a pretty good idea about at least a few of them). For all we know, forty pieces of BGM are actually ripped compositions, but because the right kinds of fans of this franchise aren't the right kinds of fans of other types of media and haven't necessarily been exposed to those other pieces of music, we don't have a flippin' clue. How many years went by before the full extent of rearranging that created "Battle Point Unlimited" was truly brought to light? Think about that for a bit. And who's to say that even Kenji Yamamoto himself could say which pieces were truly original or not? His word is basically worth nothing at this point.

- We don't know WHO IT WAS that brought it to their attention. Was it internal at Toei (a discovery all on their own)? Was the work of fans brought to their attention? Did the creator of some piece of music that was ripped off bring it to their attention? Was some other independent, concerned party the one who did it? We don't know.

At the end of the day, it almost doesn't matter how it came about. The result simply is what it is. Were I in Toei's shoes, I likely would have done the same thing -- nothing in the score can be trusted, so toss the baby out with the bathwater.