Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

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Re: Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

Post by jackjack » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:21 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:I have a theory that with Buu, if one of the cocoons in his body is removed, his body retains the ki and the effects thereof for a brief period of time before he burns the remaining ki off.
haha I thought I was the only who had this theory. Though I actually came up with it the first time I saw this quote Herms translated a few years ago...

Goku: "With that, Boo’s power should fall considerably! Just a little more to go! See, see! The size of his ki is completely different than what it was before!"

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:19 pm

That's basically the idea I've held for quite some time. It takes a moment for Boo's absorption-effected power to change after the absorbed person is removed. It's why Boo's power momentarily spiked up greatly; the Grand Kaioshin's influence wore off first. Then the South Kaioshin's influence fizzled out too, and Boo's Ki fell to a much-more-feasibly-beaten level.
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Re: Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 pm

Like I said, there was no energy source inside boo for him to feed off of other than his own, and there is no indication that south kai increased his strength, it was never stated so we can't assume that. Boo's power rose to a level where goku thought he could manage it, but then he admits acting too cocky crushing the potara and admits they should have used them, he says he has been trying to finish boo off with the energy needed but hasnt been able to do it. They underestimated kid boo's size (exactly how they did with cell and freeza's final forms). You must remember that being inside super boo, goku never legitamitely had the chance to beat him because being tinier than a flea reduced his strength, the "like this" is valid because super boo says

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”

You see, ssj goku couldn't blow a huge hole when it was shown that gun bullets could do that. Goku clearly did know this was the case because he never went all out against him, blowing a hole made him realize how much weaker they were and he at least thought he had enough power to blow one.
Goku flat out says that he is unimpressed with piccolo boo's ki, "I am dissapointed, gohan will be able to beat you EVEN on his own" which implies that Goku can defeat him, but he wants his own son to finish what he started. Vegeta states Goku is the only one capable of fighting kid boo. Goku and the kaioshins constantly ignored bringing Gohan (kaioshins know gohans strength and so does vegeta as he felt it when he was dead with king yama). The super genki dama was stated to not take a little bit, but to push them right up to their very limits. Guess what, gohan and co. contributed most of their ki and it still wasn't enough.

Vegeta refuses to bring gohan AND gotenks, and according to goku , both would be needed to help fight him (an opponent goku thought he could kill by himself but overestimated his own ki).
Once kid boo is defeated, goku and vegeta both agree that if another Kid boo arises, everyone on earth would be doomed, (that includes gohan). Goku states he has to train if they have even a chance of beating him next time. Why would goku go through all that trouble instead of saying "oh don't worry Vegeta, if the worst comes, we have gohan or gotenks to handle boo).
It's stated that Goku is always seeking out the strongest fighters to go up against him. Why didn't he state gohan to be one of them? why was he constantly obsessed with the waiting of Boo's reincarnation to return? knowing goku, he has a passion for someone stronger than him and wants to go up against them.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:46 pm

Saiga wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote: (Frankly, I don't know what Gohan was doing in the first place letting Goten and Trunks merge to fight Boo anyway. Piccolo knew something up, so perhaps Gohan should've too. And Gohan knows that he's much stronger than Gotenks and Boo anyway, since, even though he didn't see the fight and may've only known what was going through Goku's comment a little ways away, he would've known Gotenks failed to defeat Boo and/or his time limit ran out, which could happen again if he messed around. Gohan should've known it would be wasting time to let two kids fight Boo and either lose/run out of time/get turned into chocolate when he could just finish him off instantly.)
Gohan didn't want the kids to fuse, but the little shits just didn't listen. :lol:
I don't recall him having any real kind of objection. Trunks said, "Sit back and relax, Gohan, while we take care of Boo", and then Gohan just said something like, "Are you sure? OK...but be careful."

If I was him, I would've just jumped in and said, "Sorry, guys, but you failed the first time, and I don't want you to get, y'know, killed or anything. So I'll finish him off myself." But obviously, I'm not him, so... :?
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Re: Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:58 pm

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Like I said, there was no energy source inside boo for him to feed off of other than his own, and there is no indication that south kai increased his strength, it was never stated so we can't assume that. Boo's power rose to a level where goku thought he could manage it, but then he admits acting too cocky crushing the potara and admits they should have used them, he says he has been trying to finish boo off with the energy needed but hasnt been able to do it. They underestimated kid boo's size (exactly how they did with cell and freeza's final forms).
They were both terrified with Kaioshin Boo's power, but not with Pure Boo's power. Yes they did underestimated Pure Boo, but still Goku believed that he had a chance if he powers up his SSJ3, but he knew that he stood no chance against Evil Boo. As for the bullets going through Boo, it seems to me that Boo can control his mass and choose when he wants things to pass through him, otherwise, the punches that are millions times stronger than bullets, would pass through him.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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