SSJ2 teen Gohan (Cell saga) vs Broly (movie 10)?

[Kamiccolo9]

Why he should be so strong?
You think Super 13 is over 4x stronger, than Kamiccolo, since he one-shot him?
He didn't really dominate him, since Gohan broke out of his hold, managed to hurt him with some attacks and even was faster than him.
Intial Fat Buu rather easily beat Gohan, in 2 hits, if I am not mistaken, yet he could be beat by Goku and Vegeta together.

Yeah, 4x stronger than Gohan is too much. That would put Broly in SSJ3 tier.
Broly took no damage from Gohan, and Gohan used up everything he had breaking out of that hold and running from him. Gohan passed out from exhaustion and had to be saved by Krillin, while Broly was just fine.
Piccolo said that all three Super Saiyans together couldn't manage anything.

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.6-7
Goku: “Damn it! If either Vegeta or Gohan were alive, maybe we could have managed something…”
Piccolo: “…No, it probably wouldn’t matter how many people went at him…He wasn’t at that level…”

And right after this, Goku clarifies that he intended fusion. SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta couldn't have done anything to Buu.

[Cardle grave]

Why he should be so strong? You think Super 13 is over 4x stronger, than Kamiccolo, since he one-shot him?

Most likely seeing how he easily dominated them and beat them in a few shots so yeah

He didn't really dominate him, since Gohan broke out of his hold, managed to hurt him with some attacks and even was faster than him.

He crushed him in 3 hits and toyed with him. he didn't even take him seriously as he was more interested in hold his head into the rocks then punching and kicking him and he never hurt Broly as there was no scratches or anything on him. And come on broly not catching gohan is for broly to get into the lava. It was a plot for here to the sun.

And he only moved him with 1 attack and that was the knee which he shrugged off in like a second. he tank 3/4 hits

Intial Fat Buu rather easily beat Gohan, in 2 hits, if I am not mistaken, yet he could be beat by Goku and Vegeta together.

he beat SSJ gohan and blasted him, Broly beat SSj2 gohan with hits alone

[RandomGuy96]

For the last time, he did not beat him in three hits. He got smacked around and outrunned, and the trading of blows was inconclusive since Broly took a lava bath and then lost the ensuing beam struggle. Him even being budged by Gohan's hits (and getting hurt and pissed off, and at one point flat out overpowered) indicate that he can't even be anywhere near twice as strong. Gohan is 70% of him at worst.

Okay, look. Let's take the Family Kamehameha scene in context. Goku was not there, according to the above mention Daiz entry- it was purely Gohan and Goten, with a distraction from Trunks. The barrier thing didn't do anything but prove that Broly was MUCH weaker than Gohan + Goten (+SS Goku at the wankiest, turning into SS2 after the distraction), since his barrier crapped out quick while Freeza, despite being much weaker than Namek Goku, was able to plow right through his Kamehameha with a barrier.

Broly has no feats that put him anywhere near even the high SS2 tier. Mid SS2 tiers (like Cell) have better feats than him. He's mid SS2 tier, high SS2 tier at the wankiest, and there is no possible way he's anywhere near even the absolute gutter trash of the SS3 tier. And he DEFINITELY does not begin to come into the general range of any form of Buu, all of which are SS3 tier. Hell, you can make the argument that he's not even stronger than Dabura.

Also, Initial Fat Buu didn't do that. That was Fat Buu after the first power up (the one against Dabura). I'm not sure how much power ups Fat Buu did, but I definitely know he did at least two: when Dabura pissed him off and right before he splitted.

[Cardle grave]

For the last time, he did not beat him in three hits. Him even being budged by his hits (and getting hurt and pissed off, and at one point flat out overpowered) indicate that he can't even be anywhere near twice as strong.

Majin vegeta didn't die form Fat buu angry explosion does that mean there equal ? and he only moved him as there was no damage and such. And he did beat him in 3 hits, punch to the face, Head into the rock and knee into the back. 3 hits

Okay, look. Let's take the Family Kamehameha scene in context. Goku was not there, according to the above mention Daiz entry- it was purely Gohan and Goten, with a distraction from Trunks. The barrier thing didn't do anything but prove that Broly was MUCH weaker than Gohan + Goten (+SS Goku at the wankiest, turning into SS2 after the distraction), since his barrier crapped out quick while Freeza, despite being much weaker than Namek Goku, was able to plow right through his Kamehameha with a barrier.

Goku was there, Even the daizenshuu states it and Broly seen it and so has trunks.And it states that boy of the boys powered up form Goku encouragement so there now weak




I don't anyone in the history of DBZ has done a tank like that who is only 2x stronger

[PerfectFreeza]

Kamiccolo, Gohan did inflict some damage on Broly though.
Buu powered up since Vegeta smacked Goku in the back, so Piccolo is reffering to a stronger Buu..
Fat Buu vs. Majin Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku(the one Piccolo reffered to)>Fat Buu vs. Gohan, Kaioshin and Dabra(the one Goku and Vegeta intended to beat together).
Chapter: 464 (DBZ 270), P11.6
Context: after Vegeta insults Boo and he lets steam out of his head
Kuririn: “Hey…That monstrous bastard’s ki got even huger.”
Cardle, he wasn't that much stronger than them.He budged at weighted Kamiccolo's hits.Unless you believe Imperfect Cell Post-humans was about 5x stronger than Kamiccolo.Which is absolutely wrong, because of BOG stating Freeza is above Base Goku.
He didn't toy with Gohan.In fact, he seemed angry at some point.Broly actually did take some damage, or else he wouldn't move back from some of Gohan's attacks.
Gohan moved him with 3 attacks.

Spoiler:

No, that was SSJ2 Gohan.
EDIT:My bad.That was post-1st power up Buu.
EDIT:You are overrating Broly, Cardle.Semi-Cell tanked 16's punch like that, heck 18 tanked SSJ Vegeta's fist to the guts.Metal Cooler also comes to mind, with his tanks of Goku's attacks.

[RandomGuy96]

Majin vegeta didn't die form Fat buu angry explosion does that mean there equal ? and he only moved him as there was no damage and such. And he did beat him in 3 hits, punch to the face, Head into the rock and knee into the back. 3 hits

He didn't beat him. Their trading of blows was inconclusive.

Surviving is different from actually budging your opponent.

Goku was there, Even the daizenshuu states it and Broly seen it and so has trunks.And it states that boy of the boys powered up form Goku encouragement so there now weak

Show me the quote.

I don't anyone in the history of DBZ has done a tank like that who is only 2x stronger

Initial Perfect Cell was not twice as strong as Vegeta. Semi-Perfect Cell likely wasn't twice as strong as Android 16 (screw Broly, Cell was doing this tanking crap first). Nappa was only about twice as strong as Tien. 18 definitely was not twice as strong as Vegeta. Piccolo Jr tanked Goku's Super Kamehameha when they were equals. Piccolo Senior did the same thing, and while he was stronger than Goku, going by official battle powers he was nowhere near twice as strong. Movie wise, Metal Cooler wasn't twice as strong as Goku.

Tanking is inconsistent. To further emphasize this point, Broly doesn't budge from that punch, but budges from other ones moments later.

[Cardle grave]

Cardle, he wasn't that much stronger than them.He budged at weighted Kamiccolo's hits.Unless you believe Imperfect Cell Post-humans was about 5x stronger than Kamiccolo.Which is absolutely wrong, because of BOG stating Freeza is above Base Goku.

BOG is later on so that is irrelevant, Cell is properly 5x stronger then Piccolo since that tank

He didn't toy with Gohan.In fact, he seemed angry at some point.Broly actually did take some damage, or else he wouldn't move back from some of Gohan's attacks.
Gohan moved him with 3 attacks. No, that was SSJ2 Gohan.

If he took him seriously then he would of fought like he did in Movie 8 against goku with the Z fighter power up punching and going nuts all over goku not tanking punches and holding his head into the rocks. And actually the first hit of that picture he tanked. Look was there any scratches on broly, No there wasn't meaning he wasn't damage. Doesn't mean you move your damaged, Was Gohan damage form Cell punch to the face.

[Kamiccolo9]

Broly has no feats that put him anywhere near even the high SS2 tier. Mid SS2 tiers (like Cell) have better feats than him. He's mid SS2 tier, high SS2 tier at the wankiest, and there is no possible way he's anywhere near even the absolute gutter trash of the SS3 tier. And he DEFINITELY does not begin to come into the general range of any form of Buu, all of which are SS3 tier. Hell, you can make the argument that he's not even stronger than Dabura.

If you assume that Gohan is SSJ in the fight against Dabura, then Broly would be way stronger than Dabura was. And this same Gohan thought he might be capable of beating initial Fat Buu, indicating that Buu was in the mid-high SSJ2 tier when he first appeared, and if Gohan thought he could beat this Buu, then Broly should be able to. Buu being at this level when he first appeared is also backed up by Vegeta considering him trash. I fully agree with you about every other form and powerup of Buu though.

I put Broly at slightly higher than SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta. I think he could beat any of them one-on-one, but any combination of the SSJ2's would be able to beat him.

Gohan escaping that hold isn't particularly impressive. Gohan is a much more skilled fighter, and seeing as how he passed out after breaking the hold and running from Broly, I'd say he put everything he had into doing that. Broly wasn't fighting nearly as hard as Gohan was.

@Perfect Freeza
Gohan irritated Broly. He didn't do any damage. He put up a fight, and Broly retaliated by shoving his head through the ground.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't anyone in the history of DBZ has done a tank like that who is only 2x stronger

*looks at King Piccolo against Kid Goku's Kamehameha*, *Looks at Freeza's ki blast against Trunks*, *looks at Goku against Krillin kamehameha*, and *looks at Freeza against kamehameha x20*. There is plenty of moments in the series where being 2x or SMALLER allows you to tank someone. Seems let you got a BRoly fetish to be honest. I have SSJ2 Gohan 70 - 75% of Broly. That's enough for Broly to tank someone. Broly could have high defense. Through it's rarely shown and talked about. DB-DBZ does have stats of some sort.

Here's how I rank Broly Movie 10: SSJ2 Goku > Majin Vegeta > Broly > Gohan SSJ2.

[RandomGuy96]

If you assume that Gohan is SSJ in the fight against Dabura, then Broly would be way stronger than Dabura was. And this same Gohan thought he might be capable of beating initial Fat Buu, indicating that Buu was in the mid-high SSJ2 tier when he first appeared, and if Gohan thought he could beat this Buu, then Broly should be able to. Buu being at this level when he first appeared is also backed up by Vegeta considering him trash. I fully agree with you about every other form and powerup of Buu though.

I put Broly at slightly higher than SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta. I think he could beat any of them one-on-one, but any combination of the SSJ2's would be able to beat him.

Gohan escaping that hold isn't particularly impressive. Gohan is a much more skilled fighter, and seeing as how he passed out after breaking the hold and running from Broly, I'd say he put everything he had into doing that. Broly wasn't fighting nearly as hard as Gohan was.

Well yeah, I don't think that we should count suppressed versions of characters when talking about power though...

If you believe that Gohan was a SS2 during the fight (which is the official stance and is backed up by all the statements made), then Dabura can very well be just as strong as Broly (he calls Gohan trash later and doesn't seem to be trying at all in their little struggle, and Goku practically craps his pants when Dai Kaioshin Buu beats him).

[Cardle grave]

He didn't beat him. Their trading of blows was inconclusive.Surviving is different from actually budging your opponent.

Your playing with me right, Your saying move a metre is more worse then surviving a SSJ3 Attack.

Show me the quote.

~Daizenshuu Book 6 ~

However, he is pushed back by Broli's overwhelming power. From there, Gohan executes a strategy to make Broli fall into lava.

But Kuririn rescues Gohan, who had used up all his strength and was about to be swallowed up by the lava. However, Broli is still alive!

While Gohan escapes this crisis through Videl's aid, Broli continues attacking him all the more. Gohan and Goten then combine their power, and fire a Kamehameha at Broli with the last of their strength!

Even Gohan and Goten's Kamehameha doesn't bother Broli. As the two of them feel that they have lost the battle, the supposedly dead Goku appears before them. At Goku's encouragement, Gohan and Goten power up. Goku assists as well, and as they fire a three-man father and son Kamehameha, Broli is finally obliterated.

Initial Perfect Cell was not twice as strong as Vegeta. Semi-Perfect Cell likely wasn't twice as strong as Android 16 (screw Broly, Cell was doing this tanking crap first). Nappa was only about twice as strong as Tenshinhan. 18 definitely was not twice as strong as Vegeta. Piccolo Jr tanked Goku's Super Kamehameha when they were equals. Piccolo Senior did the same thing, and while he was stronger than Goku, going by official battle powers he was nowhere near twice as strong. Movie wise, Metal Cooler wasn't twice as strong as Goku.

Cell tank on Vegeta and Cell tank on Android 16>>>Gohan tank on Full power cell. Nappa was like 5x of Tien and the others. Metal Cooler Stomped Goku and Vegeta and Broly beat gohan far quick and less hits then cooler.

[PerfectFreeza]

Exactly.That's like with Super 13, with him tankning SSJ Vegeta's hits, yet budging at Base Vegeta's hits.
EDIT:How is it irrelevant?It's a part of the Dragon Ball canon.
He fought like that, but Gohan was actually closer to him, than Goku and wasn't letting Broly rampange all over him.
Yes, he tanked that intial punch, but he actually moved and looked to be in pain from other attacks.He seemed pretty angry, when Gohan broke from his hold.

Look at him.
Gohan was damaged from Cell's punch, but just a little bit.
Kamiccolo, Gohan thought he could beat the initial Buu, the one that Dabura wanted to fight.
Yes he did damage Broly.He made Broly look to be in pain.Also, see the image above.His body and head are a mess of scratches.
EDIT:Goken, he does have a Broly ''fetish''.
Nappa wasn't 5x stronger than Tenshinhan.He is less than 2,5x stronger.
Gohan being SSJ2 against Dabra is actually supported even more by statements.

[Draken]

Cell tank on Vegeta and Cell tank on Android 16>>>Gohan tank on Full power cell. Nappa was like 5x of Tenshinhan and the others. Metal Cooler Stomped Goku and Vegeta and Broly beat gohan far quick and less hits then cooler.

Nappa was less than 4x Tien, not even 1.5x Piccolo, and Goku and Vegeta beat Metal Cooler.

SSJ Goku vs Fifth Form Cooler. Took the punch to the gut like a man. Struggled against his Supernova. Yea Goku was totally 4x Cooler wasn't he?

[Kamiccolo9]

Kamiccolo, Gohan thought he could beat the initial Buu, the one that Dabura wanted to fight.
Yes he did damage Broly.He made Broly look to be in pain.Also, see the image above.His body and head are a mess of scratches.

That damage was done when Broly was in his SSJ state. Watch the entire movie. It carried over to his LSSJ form.
And that's what I said about Buu. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

[Cardle grave]

Nappa was less than 4x Tenshinhan, not even 1.5x Piccolo, and Goku and Vegeta beat Metal Cooler.

But who was dominating the fight

SSJ Goku vs Fifth Form Cooler. Took the punch to the gut like a man. Struggled against his Supernova. Yea Goku was totally 4x Cooler wasn't he?

Why are all Attacks multipliers are the same ? Oh wait there not

[RandomGuy96]

Your playing with me right, Your saying move a metre is more worse then surviving a SSJ3 Attack.

HE DID NOT SURVIVE A SS3-TIER ATTACK! HE WAS MUCH WEAKER THAN A SS2-TIER ATTACK! Let's take Broly's Legendary Super Dick and wank it as hard as we possibly can. Let's assume that Goku really was there, everyone was at full power and no one was dropping from injury, Goku turned SS2 after the distraction, Goku was just as strong as he is in the Buu Saga, et cetera... let's have Goku SS2 be a 10, with Gohan SS2 appropriately falling behind at a 7 and Goten being way weaker than Gohan (like he was depicted as) at a 1.

SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten Kamehameha = 18

Then when Goku transforms and Trunks distracts Broly, he instantly gets overwhelmed despite putting up a barrier. Just to put this in context, Freeza did a similar thing to Goku's Kamehameha on Namek; he was a 12 to Goku's 15 and he plowed right through the Kamehameha. Broly got instantly overpowered by the Kamehameha so he can't be anywhere near 80% of it. So on this scale, Broly would be a 14 or less. Probably far less considering the differences of the powers of the barriers and the fact that Goten probably doesn't even count as a 1 in this movie and Gohan was injured and not at full power. This is the absolute MAXIMUM of Broly's power, and would contradict his entire fight with Gohan.

For context, anyone in the SS3 tier (Goku, Kid Buu, Good Buu) would be around a 40, going by this scale.

Nappa was like 5x of Tenshinhan and the others.

Okay, I'm done. There's no real point talking to you anymore.

SSJ Goku vs Fifth Form Cooler. Took the punch to the gut like a man. Struggled against his Supernova. Yea Goku was totally 4x Cooler wasn't he?

Honestly, aside from that one tank he only seems, like, x1.25 at most of Cooler. Cooler shrugged off his punches and came VERY close to killing him with the Supernova, and Goku was gassed out and defenseless after repelling it with his Kamehameha.

[Draken]

Nappa was less than 4x Tenshinhan, not even 1.5x Piccolo, and Goku and Vegeta beat Metal Cooler.

But who was dominating the fight

SSJ Goku vs Fifth Form Cooler. Took the punch to the gut like a man. Struggled against his Supernova. Yea Goku was totally 4x Cooler wasn't he?

Why are all Attacks multipliers are the same ? Oh wait there not

Thanks you just proved my point. Nappa was 4000 to Tien's 1,830, Yamcha's 1,480, Krillin's ~ 1,000 iirc, and Piccolo at a whopping 3,500. Piccolo was 87.5% of Nappa and yet couldn't do shit to him. Even his surprise ki blast to Nappa's back did no more than startle him. Yet you seem to think a 4x gap is required to beat someone down. When we all know that's not the case except for Broly wank.

Okay, I'm done. There's no real point talking to you anymore.

Ikr lmao, that was the "okay what the fuck" moment for me too.

[TheGmGoken]

He didn't beat him. Their trading of blows was inconclusive.Surviving is different from actually budging your opponent.

Your playing with me right, Your saying move a metre is more worse then surviving a SSJ3 Attack.

Show me the quote.

~Daizenshuu Book 6 ~

However, he is pushed back by Broli's overwhelming power. From there, Gohan executes a strategy to make Broli fall into lava.

But Kuririn rescues Gohan, who had used up all his strength and was about to be swallowed up by the lava. However, Broli is still alive!

While Gohan escapes this crisis through Videl's aid, Broli continues attacking him all the more. Gohan and Goten then combine their power, and fire a Kamehameha at Broli with the last of their strength!

Even Gohan and Goten's Kamehameha doesn't bother Broli. As the two of them feel that they have lost the battle, the supposedly dead Goku appears before them. At Goku's encouragement, Gohan and Goten power up. Goku assists as well, and as they fire a three-man father and son Kamehameha, Broli is finally obliterated.

Initial Perfect Cell was not twice as strong as Vegeta. Semi-Perfect Cell likely wasn't twice as strong as Android 16 (screw Broly, Cell was doing this tanking crap first). Nappa was only about twice as strong as Tenshinhan. 18 definitely was not twice as strong as Vegeta. Piccolo Jr tanked Goku's Super Kamehameha when they were equals. Piccolo Senior did the same thing, and while he was stronger than Goku, going by official battle powers he was nowhere near twice as strong. Movie wise, Metal Cooler wasn't twice as strong as Goku.

Cell tank on Vegeta and Cell tank on Android 16>>>Gohan tank on Full power cell. Nappa was like 5x of Tenshinhan and the others. Metal Cooler Stomped Goku and Vegeta and Broly beat gohan far quick and less hits then cooler.

King Piccolo tanked a kamehameha from Goku. He wasn't 2x. Nappa 5x of Tien? . Piccolo wasn't 2x weaker than Imperfect Cell. Yet look at that attack he did. Attacks multipler is higher as well. So Cell was definitely not 2x that attack. Nappa tanked Gohan masenko. 2,800 x 2 does not equal 4,000 like Nappa's Daizenshuu power level. Hell Bojack tanked Gohan SSJ2 ki blast and he was WEAKER than Gohan SSJ2.

[RandomGuy96]

Just an aside:

Krillin was 1,770, Piccolo was injured from an off guard hit at that time, and his blast actually did damage Nappa bit. More than anything else up to that point, anyway.

[Draken]

Just an aside:

Krillin was 1,770, Piccolo was injured from an off guard hit at that time, and his blast actually did damage Nappa bit. More than anything else up to that point, anyway.

My bad forgot Krillin's exact level. Eh, Nappa was more like omg I got hit in the back. FUCK YOU zap.