How strong is Grey Buu?

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:32 pm

Nothing suggests Grey Buu is anywhere near Ssj3 Goku. He's most likely a large percentage of Fat Buu as suggested.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:33 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Nothing suggests Grey Buu is anywhere near Ssj3 Goku. He's most likely a large percentage of Fat Buu as suggested.

He crushed Mr. Buu more easily than Pure Buu, who is on par with SSJ3 Goku, did.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:34 pm

Mr. Buu is much stronger than Good Buu imo.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:34 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Mr. Buu is much stronger than Good Buu imo.

Aren't they the same thing?

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:35 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Mr. Buu is much stronger than Good Buu imo.

Why? Mr Buu and Good Buu are the same.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:35 pm

I don't believe so anymore.

I think Good Buu is weaker than Fat Buu by a large margin and I think Mr. Buu is equal to Fat Buu.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:36 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Mr. Buu is much stronger than Good Buu imo.

Fat Buu was SSJ3 tier, and if you have Mr. Buu stronger than him, then Gray Buu would be much stronger. Easily on the level of SSJ3 Goku.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:36 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:I don't believe so anymore.

I think Good Buu is weaker than Fat Buu by a large margin and I think Mr. Buu is equal to Fat Buu.

Why did he power up?

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:37 pm

I have no clue. Perhaps being inside of Buu he was able to restore his old power.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:39 pm

Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"

Which means that Pure Evil Boo's BP + Good Boo's BP = Innocent Boo's BP, which means Innocent Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo.

mAcChaos wrote:I think power wise, Fat Buu was the same as Super Buu.

But Goku believed that he could kill Innocent Boo, but not Evil Boo, not to mention that Evil Boo is stronger than Innocent Boo according to Piccolo.

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Who says Goku sensed Buu's full power? He sensed the power that was used against him.

He also sensed Innocent Boo's power when he got angry against Dabra.

Mjb1985 wrote:Mr. Buu is much stronger than Good Buu imo.

I don't know if he is much stronger, but I do believe that he is stronger. I believe that the reason Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo and not to Pure Evil Boo is because the Kaioshin influence inside Pure Evil Boo was transfered to Good Boo, which made him stronger.

Mjb1985 wrote:I think Mr. Buu is equal to Fat Buu.

I don't think so. Mr. Boo still had some Boo gone from his body (Pure Boo).

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:43 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
Which means that Pure Evil Boo's BP + Good Boo's BP = Innocent Boo's BP, which means Innocent Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo.

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Who says Goku sensed Buu's full power? He sensed the power that was used against him.
He also sensed Innocent Boo's power when he got angry against Dabra.

It means that the majority of Fat Buu's power went to Pure Evil Buu. Fat Buu has the same parts as Super Buu, so he should have the same amount of power, he just can't access it. The majority of his full power went to Gray Buu, in my opinion. The power had to go somewhere.

He wasn't at full power against Dabura. If he was, he couldn't have powered up again against Vegeta.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:44 pm

... So, when did he go full power?

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:44 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But Goku believed that he could kill Innocent Boo, but not Evil Boo, not to mention that Evil Boo is stronger than Innocent Boo according to Piccolo.

Do you mean Fat Buu? Using "Innocent Buu" sounds like Mr. Buu. Same with Evil Buu, that could be Kid Buu or the Thin version. They are all evil.

As for Fat Buu and Super Buu, I believe Fat Buu and Super Buu had the same pool of strength to draw on, but Fat Buu is lazier and more easy going because of the Kaioshin influence. That means he does not use it as much, except when he is angry. Super Buu, on the other hand, is more serious and savage, and so uses a higher percentage of that same power. That is why Goku thought he would have a chance against Fat Buu, because Fat Buu was not drawing as deeply into his power.

After all, they are made up of the same components. The only difference is which side is in control.

That is why Kid Buu was regarded as so dangerous. It was not that he was the most powerful form, but he was dangerous because he was the most unrestrained.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:46 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... So, when did he go full power?

In my opinion, right before he split. He was getting angrier, and angrier, reached his limits, and expelled the evil, which created Gray Buu. This would make Mr. Buu and Gray Buu both stronger than the initial Fat Buu, and would explain why Mr. Buu did so well against Pure Buu without having to come up with reasons why he'd get stronger in Buu's body.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:50 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
Which means that Pure Evil Boo's BP + Good Boo's BP = Innocent Boo's BP, which means Innocent Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo.

Pure Evil Buu's BP + Good Buu's BP = Innocent Buu's(Angry) BP.
Innocent Buu(Angry) > Innocent Buu

. It's not hard to understand.

SSJ4_Zankuto · Post by **SSJ4_Zankuto** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:07 pm

I do believe Fat Boo enraged to point of splitting has exceeded Super Saiyan 3 Goku in power. Then Pure Evil Boo took the power from Fat Boo to have strength around or equal to Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku.

Fat Boo (Enraged to point of splitting) > SSjin 3 Goku = Pure Evil Boo > Fat Boo > SSjin 2 Goku/Majin Vegeta.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:07 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... So, when did he go full power?
In my opinion, right before he split. He was getting angrier, and angrier, reached his limits, and expelled the evil, which created Gray Buu. This would make Mr. Buu and Gray Buu both stronger than the initial Fat Buu, and would explain why Mr. Buu did so well against Pure Buu without having to come up with reasons why he'd get stronger in Buu's body.

Still, no power increase was noted by anyone ((Piccolo was watching, for example), so I don't have any reason to believe this.

mAcChaos wrote:Do you mean Fat Buu? Using "Innocent Buu" sounds like Mr. Buu. Same with Evil Buu, that could be Kid Buu or the Thin version. They are all evil.

The official names of Boo are these:

*Innocent Boo: The original fat Boo, with both good & evil inside him.
Good Boo: The fat Boo after he expelled Pure Evil Boo.
Mr. Boo: The fat Boo that got expelled from Pure Boo.

mAcChaos wrote:That is why Kid Buu was regarded as so dangerous. It was not that he was the most powerful form, but he was dangerous because he was the most unrestrained.

But Goku believed that he could kill Innocent Boo, and Pure Boo only with a full power blast, while he didn't believe he stood a chance against Evil Boo.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:11 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... So, when did he go full power?
In my opinion, right before he split. He was getting angrier, and angrier, reached his limits, and expelled the evil, which created Gray Buu. This would make Mr. Buu and Gray Buu both stronger than the initial Fat Buu, and would explain why Mr. Buu did so well against Pure Buu without having to come up with reasons why he'd get stronger in Buu's body.
Still, no power increase was noted by anyone ((Piccolo was watching, for example), so I don't have any reason to believe this.

That's what you believe. I'm fine with that, but I don't think that it has to be specifically mentioned that someone's power is increasing. We've already had other instances when Buu's power increased when he was angry, and I don't see any reason to assume that this one would be different, nor do I think that all the extra power that Fat Buu had inside him just disappeared when he split.
Just agree to disagree, I guess

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:15 pm

I don't even recall seeing Piccolo until after PE Buu had eaten I Buu.
EDIT: Yeah Piccolo doesn't even show up until after the split.

Mjb1985 · Post by **Mjb1985** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:18 pm

Considering that no one sensed Fat Buu while he was splitting, we can safely conclude that neither Fat Buu at the time of the split, Good or Evil Buu were ever Ssj3 tier.

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