Goku kept SSJ God's power.

[KentalSSJ6]

How do you think SSJ4 would be with SSJG's power? I mean SSJ4 has no drawbacks like energy drain and also renders SSJ1-3 useless. It would explain the red fur...

[Super Vegetto]

Well evidence is that Kids know about Gotenks power after defusing, so same should be with Vegetto.

Birusu was stated to be stronger than anything or anyone ever in the history of Dragonball Z.

SSJ God Goku rivaled Beers (70% Full Power) at 80% of his power.

Goku said that he didn't know that kind of power exists, so it's perfecly obvious that he should be stronger than Super Vegetto.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Cell never said he can't regenerate from half of his body.
Toriyama hadn't planned #17 & #18 at that time, so it's easy to make this one slide. (Wasn't it corrected in the Kanzenban?)
I can't remember this. What was the wish and in which arc?

I take it you don't know the definition of a plot hole? A plot hole is an error or inconsistency within the plot that is never explained. Cell said he can only regenerate if something in his head wasn't destroyed. Hmm, funny, I seem to recall Goku blowing off the upper half of his body. It's easy to let that one slide but not another one? No, that's not how things work. You can make excuses all you want, but it's an inconsistency that's never explained. Hmm Goku was wished back to life in the Saiyan arc, yet he wasn't transferred to Earth upon that wish. Piccolo was also revived in the Namek arc, yet he too wasn't sent back to Earth. He remained on Kaio's planet until someone wished him to Namek. Any time after that, people are wished back to the place where they died, stated by Kaio himself. Inconsistent. You can make all the excuses you want, but the fact is the manga has inconsistencies too. What problems does Battle of Gods have? Kaio's planet is there with no explanation. Ok. Gohan can turn SSJ with no explanation. Ok. Goku now has access to god powers. Ok. That's 3. Funny, I pointed out 3 myself, and there are still plenty more. The manga has more problems than this movie does so the argument that it doesn't fit because it's inconsistent is a pretty weak argument. If you want to not accept it, for whatever reason, go ahead. Just know your reasoning for doing so isn't a very solid one.

[KentalSSJ6]

Actually Oozaru, I remember reading Kaio's planet was restored with the Dragonballs during the years between Buu and Battle of Gods. Not that it matters after Goku's bout with Bills there.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I believe that Super Saiyan God is the strongest form, so Super Saiyan 4 would give a smaller increase. Also, Super Saiyan 4 does seem to have energy drain, since Goku ran out of energy twice, but not in dangerous levels like Super Saiyan 3, Grade 2, and Grade 3, but it drains more energy than (non-mastered) Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2.

I don't think Super Saiyan 4 & Super Saiyan God are related, other than the fact that their creators chose red for the same reason.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Actually Oozaru, I remember reading Kaio's planet was restored with the Dragonballs during the years between Buu and Battle of Gods. Not that it matters after Goku's bout with Bills there.

Where exactly is that stated.

[KentalSSJ6]

I believe that Super Saiyan God is the strongest form, so Super Saiyan 4 would give a smaller increase. Also, Super Saiyan 4 does seem to have energy drain, since Goku ran out of energy twice, but not in dangerous levels like Super Saiyan 3, Grade 2, and Grade 3, but it drains more energy than (non-mastered) Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2.

I don't think Super Saiyan 4 & Super Saiyan God are related, other than the fact that their creators chose red for the same reason.

True SSJ4 has a minor drain, but its more or less when Goku had literally no energy left. I mean he retained the form after taking a beating from Omega so its either gotta revert by will or when theres no energy left at all. You could say the drain is not even noticeable at first.

If we were to find out why SSJ4 is red, wed have to ask Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru and not Toriyama, as Nakatsuru designed SSJ4.

[Super Vegetto]

I believe that Super Saiyan God is the strongest form, so Super Saiyan 4 would give a smaller increase. Also, Super Saiyan 4 does seem to have energy drain, since Goku ran out of energy twice, but not in dangerous levels like Super Saiyan 3, Grade 2, and Grade 3, but it drains more energy than (non-mastered) Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2.

I don't think Super Saiyan 4 & Super Saiyan God are related, other than the fact that their creators chose red for the same reason.

True SSJ4 has a minor drain, but its more or less when Goku had literally no energy left. I mean he retained the form after taking a beating from Omega so its either gotta revert by will or when theres no energy left at all. You could say the drain is not even noticeable at first.

If we were to find out why SSJ4 is red, wed have to ask Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru and not Toriyama, as Nakatsuru designed SSJ4.

Because it’s a strong-looking color.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It is already stated in an interview that Super Saiyan 4 is red because red is a strong looking color. Same thing was said about Super Saiyan God.

Actually Oozaru, I remember reading Kaio's planet was restored with the Dragonballs during the years between Buu and Battle of Gods. Not that it matters after Goku's bout with Bills there.

That's a common fan-theory to fix the plot-hole.

[KentalSSJ6]

It is already stated in an interview that Super Saiyan 4 is red because red is a strong looking color. Same thing was said about Super Saiyan God.

Actually Oozaru, I remember reading Kaio's planet was restored with the Dragonballs during the years between Buu and Battle of Gods. Not that it matters after Goku's bout with Bills there.

That's a common fan-theory to fix the plot-hole.

Ah, well nevermind then.

Regarding SSJ4, it would have been interesting if the fur was the brown of a normal Oozaru, kinda like this

Spoiler:

I think it looks good myself. Even prefer it over the ever popular gold SSJ4 concept.

[Kakarot88]

It is already stated in an interview that Super Saiyan 4 is red because red is a strong looking color. Same thing was said about Super Saiyan God.

Actually Oozaru, I remember reading Kaio's planet was restored with the Dragonballs during the years between Buu and Battle of Gods. Not that it matters after Goku's bout with Bills there.

That's a common fan-theory to fix the plot-hole.

Ah, well nevermind then.

Well, since the planet IS restored it is a fact that something or someone restored it or rebuilt it, but the method would be theory.

[hleV]

I take it you don't know the definition of a plot hole? A plot hole is an error or inconsistency within the plot that is never explained.

There are huge plotholes like BOG's that make it impossible for it and the manga's history to co-exist, and there are minor plotholes (some have to do with things not being planned ahead, even) that are very easy to explain.

Cell said he can only regenerate if something in his head wasn't destroyed. Hmm, funny, I seem to recall Goku blowing off the upper half of his body. It's easy to let that one slide but not another one? No, that's not how things work. You can make excuses all you want, but it's an inconsistency that's never explained.

Bring me a quote where Cell says that the ONLY way for Cell to regenerate is if his nucleous is intact.

Hmm Goku was wished back to life in the Saiyan arc, yet he wasn't transferred to Earth upon that wish. Piccolo was also revived in the Namek arc, yet he too wasn't sent back to Earth. He remained on Kaio's planet until someone wished him to Namek. Any time after that, people are wished back to the place where they died, stated by Kaio himself. Inconsistent.

Goku & Piccolo's bodies were in the afterlife, so that's where they got revived. Everyone else's bodies were where they died, so that's where they were revived.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

^ BoG's plot-holes can easily be explained as well.

[hleV]

No they can't.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No they can't.

Which of them can't be explained?

[hleV]

1. Goku keeping the SSG power. Oob could supposedly win the 28th TB, but it's impossible if Goku has the power to one-shot him.
2. Shenlong's wish count.
3. Mr. Satan not remembering Dende.

Should be enough.

[Super Vegetto]

Tarble is plot hole, unless if those 2 movies are conected...

[Blade]

Regarding SSJ4, it would have been interesting if the fur was the brown of a normal Oozaru, kinda like this.

You mean kind of like Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta? His fur is definitely closer to dark brown than red.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku keeping the SSG power. Oob could supposedly win the 28th TB, but it's impossible if Goku has the power to one-shot him.

Goku wasn't planning to use the God power. He was planning to only use his normal Super Saiyan 3 power, because he wanted to beat Oob/Boo this time on his own. He couldn't beat him 10 years ago, which is why he wanted a rematch, to prove to himself that he can surpass him. The God power didn't come from his efforts, so beating him like that wouldn't satisfy him.

Shenlong's wish count.

Pilaf was gathering the Dragon Ball 1 year before the events, and Dende, as the Kami of Earth, probably saw that & the reason the Pilaf Gang wanted them, and modified the Dragon Balls so that they will not be able to make 3 wishes, and rule the world.

Mr. Satan not remembering Dende.

This is so minor that if ignored, it doesn't affect the plot at all.

Any other plot hole that can't be ignored or explained? Neither the manga, nor BoG have plot holes that can't be ignored or explained, as far as I know.

[KentalSSJ6]

Regarding SSJ4, it would have been interesting if the fur was the brown of a normal Oozaru, kinda like this.

You mean kind of like Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta? His fur is definitely closer to dark brown than red.

More or less..actually, like this.



A commission/prize The Devil's Corpse did for me for winning a contest of his.

Brown fur and black hair, more or less true to the normal Oozaru form.