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DBZGTKOSDH
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:25 am
Saiyan007 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Saiyan007 wrote:The planets were obviously destroyed what did you think he did to them?
It's as clear as day
When planets are destroyed, they blow up, meaning that there is fire & rocks going in every direction. These didn't blow up, and we can even see that the smoke just covered them.
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They obviously blew up why do you think whis stopped him?
Because he would have completely destroy them? Again, this isn't what happens when a planet blows up. Beerus just made holes to the planets, there isn't any sign of any explosion.
It's like saying that
this iPhone exploded. Or that SS3 Goku's punch on Kaio's Planet made the planet explode.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by White Oni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:57 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Saiyan007 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
When planets are destroyed, they blow up, meaning that there is fire & rocks going in every direction. These didn't blow up, and we can even see that the smoke just covered them.
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They obviously blew up why do you think whis stopped him?
Because he would have completely destroy them? Again, this isn't what happens when a planet blows up. Beerus just made holes to the planets, there isn't any sign of any explosion.
It's like saying that
this iPhone exploded. Or that SS3 Goku's punch on Kaio's Planet made the planet explode.
I'm actually glad you linked that video as it shoots you in the foot(no pun intended).
Notice how the back off the Iphone is where all the debris is fly from, and towards 1? Now take a look at that gif again. The entire planet is bursting with debris, not just the exit points. This means that the force was so great that the whole planet exploded and is bursting with debris from all directions.
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by White Oni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:05 am
Here are some better parallels.
50 cal vs iPhone
Goku vs KK's planet
And then
50 cal vs Watermelon
Beers's sneeze vs multiple planets
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by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:08 am
Beerus's sneeze? He flies directly through the planets with his body.
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by White Oni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:09 am
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Beerus's sneeze? He flies directly through the planets with his body.
I know lol, I was jking. =p
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by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:20 am
May as well include a feat from GT.
Goku breaks through a dimensional barrier while in Sugoroku Space with a Kamehameha in base form. The last two people in the franchise able to break dimensional barriers were Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks with a powerful scream.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:17 am
Except that the planets didn't end up like the water melon, they only had a hole, and got covered by the dust.
The same happened to all the planets, I just didn't feel the need to show the same thing about every single one of them.
And like I mentioned before, there is the fact that when a planet explodes, it doesn't turn into dust, it turns into a huge explosion that bursts out flames & meteorites.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by White Oni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:12 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Except that the planets didn't end up like the water melon, they only had a hole, and got covered by the dust.
The same happened to all the planets, I just didn't feel the need to show the same thing about every single one of them.
And like I mentioned before, there is the fact that when a planet explodes, it doesn't turn into dust, it turns into a huge explosion that bursts out flames & meteorites.

Wow, nice work catching those frames.
Ok, I have to admit, I really don't know anymore, if they blew up after Beers exited them. Though it does look that way... you do make a good point about what it SHOULD look like, and how that's not present.
Because I think you make a good point and because I think it's too ambiguous, even if they did explode, Ima go with the weaker feat and say he just pierced through.
Sorry for being so blind! lol

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by Saiyan007 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:47 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Except that the planets didn't end up like the water melon, they only had a hole, and got covered by the dust.
The same happened to all the planets, I just didn't feel the need to show the same thing about every single one of them.
And like I mentioned before, there is the fact that when a planet explodes, it doesn't turn into dust, it turns into a huge explosion that bursts out flames & meteorites.
Except he completely shattered those planets into dust
Notice how no debris from those planets fell onto the temple
That's because there was nothing left of those planets because brerus completely destroyed them
Besides it was confirmed he destroyed those planets
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by Bullza » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:55 am
Wait, really? Can I see the roshi scan?

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by Bullza » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:57 am
Here's the early rocket feat as well.

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by Bullza » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:00 pm
Here's another interesting feat from just Dragon Ball. Bora whose almost a bottom tier character was strong enough to be able to throw both Goku and Yajirobe with one arm above the clouds.
Yet when he went up against Tao and Tao grabbed his speed Bora couldn't even budge that thing an inch.

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by xmysticgohanx » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:17 pm
White Oni wrote:Density of object hit: "So, Dk = 1,17*10^10 kg/m^3, while density of Earth (De) is 5,5153*10^3 kg/m^3, so the density of King Kai's planet is around 2 millions of times higher than the desnity of Earth, and Goku punched a whole hole throughout this material."
I can't do this sorta math so here's someone who APPARENTLY can.
So how strong is the striking feat? From a quick skim it looks like sun busting+
And concerning the Beerus feat, Do you think pixel scaling can tell us speed (obv not his full speed)?
Canon is Jaco, Dragon Ball except for EoZ, Dragon Ball Super anime and manga (both are separate canons)
Kai >>> Z
Current Roshi/Kulilin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks
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by White Oni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:07 pm
xmysticgohanx wrote:White Oni wrote:Density of object hit: "So, Dk = 1,17*10^10 kg/m^3, while density of Earth (De) is 5,5153*10^3 kg/m^3, so the density of King Kai's planet is around 2 millions of times higher than the desnity of Earth, and Goku punched a whole hole throughout this material."
I can't do this sorta math so here's someone who APPARENTLY can.
So how strong is the striking feat? From a quick skim it looks like sun busting+
And concerning the Beerus feat, Do you think pixel scaling can tell us speed (obv not his full speed)?
In regards to sun busting. I really don't know about that... I mean ssjg goku could tank a sun busting blast but get knocked away from a punch from beers. Does this mean that beers packs a punch stronger than the force needed to destroy the sun? Probably, does it mean that beers could literally punch the sun away? I'm not so sure.
The way I see a blast destroying the sun is by exerting enough force into the gravitational pull of the sun(what mostly keeps it together) that it completely blows it out of wack and into a state where it can not continue being held together, most likely causing a supernova.
The trouble here is that I'm not so certain a punch can physically do this.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:22 pm
Well, I'm not sure if Beerus does this but Piccolo mentions to Dr. Gero than when they fight, they do it in small bursts, putting everything they have into their attacks before lowering their power.
Also seeing as Beerus is stronger than Super Veggeto and only used 70% of his power, I think its completely plausible he could physically bust a sun.
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by White Oni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:26 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Well, I'm not sure if Beerus does this but Piccolo mentions to Dr. Gero than when they fight, they do it in small bursts, putting everything they have into their attacks before lowering their power.
Also seeing as Beerus is stronger than Super Veggeto and only used 70% of his power, I think its completely plausible he could physically bust a sun.
To clarify, I'm not saying that I don't think Beers could unleash an impact greater than a blast that could burst the sun.
I'm wondering if it's at all physically possible for a material object to collide with the sun and "burst" it. As most of what holds the sun together is its gravity and not its mass, which, if it was even "destroyed" could plausibly be swooped right back into the epicenter by its own gravitational force.
A blast, however, can disrupt gravity, which makes me think it's physically possible.
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by Rocketman » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:11 am
White Oni wrote:As most of what holds the sun together is its gravity and not its mass, which, if it was even "destroyed" could plausibly be swooped right back into the epicenter by its own gravitational force.
A blast, however, can disrupt gravity, which makes me think it's physically possible.
This is why. You are saying complete bullshit and passing it off as scientific knowledge to give weight to your discussion of a kid's cartoon gag where a giant cat eats hot food.
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by White Oni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:26 am
Rocketman wrote:White Oni wrote:As most of what holds the sun together is its gravity and not its mass, which, if it was even "destroyed" could plausibly be swooped right back into the epicenter by its own gravitational force.
A blast, however, can disrupt gravity, which makes me think it's physically possible.
This is why. You are saying complete bullshit and passing it off as scientific knowledge to give weight to your discussion of a kid's cartoon gag where a giant cat eats hot food.
I'm not claiming this is "scientific knowledge" I'm a layman if there ever was one. I'm just sharing my ideas and what I think makes sense and what doesn't.
If any of what I've said is off scientifically, I'm more than open to being told why and learning something new.
However, saying the equivalent of "you're full of shit!" When I'm not even trying to claiming anything near infallibility does nothing but bring negativity to the discussion...
you're right though, we are talking about a silly cartoon, so maybe you should just relax a bit.
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by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:23 am
Saiyan007 wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:Saiyan007 wrote:
That should count for a feat for goku as well
Capable of physically smashing planets with ease
People seem always forget that this scene was gag scene. It was played for laughs. Some fans take everything too seriously.
i didn't find it funny at all it' still a feat regardless so....
The scene was written to be a funny scene. I mean he eats hot food which causes him to bounce up in the air and hit everything in a cartoonish way.
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by White Oni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:34 am
I mean, it's most certainly gag, but it really doesn't matter because it's a lower feat. If it was something he possibly couldn't do outside of a gag scene, then I could see the case being made that we shouldn't take it at face value.