Dub-Bashing

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:37 pm

Spikedude wrote:Anyone who calls funimation or has ANY and I MEAN ANY RESPECT for funimation, and is CLREARLY a HUGE NOOOOOOOOB to the whole ANIME scene, there are many other companies that do dragonball and other animes, and you should see what their final product is... funimations is all about money and re-releases, not about quality, so all you ignorants that dont know about other anime releasing compaines besides the MAIn DBZ ones, should not say that funimation is good, or respectable, since you do not have enough knowledge to properly comprate it

Dude, clearly you haven't seen FUNi's work on other anime such as original DragonBall, Fullmetal Alchemist, Fruits Basket, Spiral, Gunslinger Girl, Case Closed, Yuyu Hakusho, and that's just to name a few. Don't go dissing FUNi based on their work on the DBZ series, especially with their decent improvements on the redub to the first 2 seasons. I'll say right now, I currently have a huge amount of respect for FUNimation for the hard work they've been doing since 2002 (and I am in no way a "n00b"), and you should too.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:45 pm

Spikedude I advise you to read the 5th item down on this page:

http://www.daizex.com/interaction/dear_fanboys/

Spikedude · Post by **Spikedude** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:56 pm

I dont go around saying funimation is horrible, I just dont understand people who think they are good, please read my new post so that you can better understand my point of view

Kirbopher · Post by **Kirbopher** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:02 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Spikedude wrote:Anyone who calls funimation or has ANY and I MEAN ANY RESPECT for funimation, and is CLREARLY a HUGE NOOOOOOOOB to the whole ANIME scene, there are many other companies that do dragonball and other animes, and you should see what their final product is... funimations is all about money and re-releases, not about quality, so all you ignorants that dont know about other anime releasing compaines besides the MAIn DBZ ones, should not say that funimation is good, or respectable, since you do not have enough knowledge to properly comprate it
Dude, clearly you haven't seen FUNi's work on other anime such as original DragonBall, Fullmetal Alchemist, Fruits Basket, Spiral, Gunslinger Girl, Case Closed, Yuyu Hakusho, and that's just to name a few. Don't go dissing FUNi based on their work on the DBZ series, especially with their decent improvements on the redub to the first 2 seasons. I'll say right now, I currently have a huge amount of respect for FUNimation for the hard work they've been doing since 2002 (and I am in no way a "n00b"), and you should too.

I second that statement entirely. Not to mention, Spikedude, your stupid little comment about "FUNimation is all about money and re-releases and not about quality" is %100 NOT a fact. 4Kids yes, FUNimation no. And no, I'm not saying this because I'm a FUNimation fan, I'm saying it because it's a fact. If you would listen to several of the commentaries on the DVDs with the line producers, the directors, the voice actors and in some places even the higher ups, then you'd change your tune. I cannot even BEGIN to describe how much love and intent Justin Cook put into Yu Yu Hakusho, Mike McFarland and Colleen Clinkenbeard put into Fullmetal Alchemist, and Chris Bevins put into Spiral & Burst Angel, simply to name a few. Even in the case of Dragonball Z, even with all of the negative qualities of how it's turned out in the US, Chris Sabat and Sean Schemmel have talked about how much they love to be part of the show and how they wouldn't trade anything in the world for it, and Chris is the director. That's why it's a fact, it comes STRAIGHT FROM THEIR MOUTHS. Hell, like I said before, I've MET a lot of the people from FUNimation personally and know the amount of work they put into what they do. So before you go around labeling people "ignorant", or a "noob" over something, then number 1, learn the right facts before you go around acting like a jerkoff, and number 2, LEARN HOW TO TYPE PLEASE. It doesn't matter to me about what people's preferences are, because people can like whatever they want to, but when you wanna make up crap about ACTUAL PEOPLE that isn't true, then get your facts straight before you open your big mouth.

Spikedude · Post by **Spikedude** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:03 pm

All I know is funimation could do better, and it doesn't... enough said, lets continue with the dub-bashing

Kirbopher · Post by **Kirbopher** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:06 pm

Spikedude wrote:All I know is funimation could do better, and it doesn't... enough said, lets continue with the dub-bashing

How 'bout, let's not? Since as tarsonis has already blatantly pointed out to you, this isn't the "OMG I HATE THE DUB" forum.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:39 pm

B-Kun- Yes I'd have to say the Bardock movie is 100% cannon, Toriyama by putting that in there I believe was saying "Hey, this is an awesome take on the father of Goku, it's cannon"

Spikedude wrote:Anyone who calls funimation or has ANY and I MEAN ANY RESPECT for funimation, and is CLREARLY a HUGE NOOOOOOOOB to the whole ANIME scene, there are many other companies that do dragonball and other animes, and you should see what their final product is... funimations is all about money and re-releases, not about quality, so all you ignorants that dont know about other anime releasing compaines besides the MAIn DBZ ones, should not say that funimation is good, or respectable, since you do not have enough knowledge to properly comprate it

And there we have the perfect example of what I am talking about. He represents the problem with Anime Forums. He has just proven every point I was trying to make.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:55 pm

Anyone who says "People who like FUNi are n0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000bs" obviously doesn't belong here.

LaBrie, where the hell are you?

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:59 pm

Yes, simply put, when people speak like that. It's simply just not fair.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:04 pm

Spikedude wrote:and is CLREARLY a HUGE NOOOOOOOOB to the whole ANIME scene

Except the majority of anime fans today think of FUNimation as one of the best companies, so perhaps you're the "n00b"?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:20 pm

Spikedude wrote:Anyone who calls funimation or has ANY and I MEAN ANY RESPECT for funimation, and is CLREARLY a HUGE NOOOOOOOOB to the whole ANIME scene, there are many other companies that do dragonball and other animes, and you should see what their final product is... funimations is all about money and re-releases, not about quality, so all you ignorants that dont know about other anime releasing compaines besides the MAIn DBZ ones, should not say that funimation is good, or respectable, since you do not have enough knowledge to properly comprate it

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Oh wow! I haven't encountered one like you in a long time, mainly because I tend to avoid situations where I'll run into elitists like you. Yes you are one of my favourite types of anime fans. The type that makes me hate the anime scene. A close-minded elitist. Sure there are things about the Funi discs that are inferior about the Dragonboxes, but who really cares at the end of the day? People are free to purchase and like whatever they want. (Except bootlegs of course^^') They're freakin' DVDs of an anime series. Not history books about WW2 that have been altered telling lies.

I love how people rant against Funi, but let other companies such as ADV and Viz get away with the same stuff, because those companies have been around longer and "can do no wrong".

I'd take Funi over Viz any day of the week. Do you know any other company that has gone back over a series and re-released episodes that were done with a long time ago, just for the sake of the people that wanted it? It's not like they had to. They could have saved money and time and not bothered. Seriously, name me another anime company that's done it. Well there was also the "fan-demanded" older series. "Kodocha".....wait a minute! Funi were the ones that brought over and released that too! The other, more established companies were too afraid to take the risk and lose the money on such a niche market and older series.

And I'm sick of fans that bloody whine and nit-pick about every damn thing on the planet like a bunch of spoiled crybabies. Upset about lack of extras on the DVDs? Oh boohoo! Guess what? When DVDs first came out, sure they had a load of extras, but that's because companies had to have incentives to make buyers purchase DVDs over VHS tapes. There are a lot more DVDs these days that offer less extras in general if you look around, not just Funi. As long as I'm offered both versions, uncut, with accurate subtitles, I'm satisfied. When all is said and done, it's just some animation people.

Oh and before you use your little theory of saying that I know nothing about anime because I dared defend Funi, I've been watching anime since I was a young kid, starting back in 1980. I think I'm more than capable of saying I have a good knowledge.

Calm down, drink some herbal tea, and get over yourself.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:40 pm

If you don't like Funimation, that's simply your opinion. Calling other people names because they happen to like something you don't..well that just makes you an elitist jackass.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:53 pm

Spikedude is prohibited from further posting in this thread. Please disregard any posts by this individual and continue with a normal discussion.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:57 am

Wait a second? I thought people were making excuses here. Do people really get mad for not having DVD extra's? That's absurd!!! If you like an Anime you should not base your opinions on it by how many extra's a DVD has.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:17 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:Wait a second? I thought people were making excuses here. Do people really get mad for not having DVD extra's? That's absurd!!! If you like an Anime you should not base your opinions on it by how many extra's a DVD has.

Agreed, when there are as many DVDs in a series as DBZ has, there's no need to have extras on each disc. Maybe just one disc for each saga, like the way many tv shows have one disc of extras for each season.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:23 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:Wait a second? I thought people were making excuses here. Do people really get mad for not having DVD extra's? That's absurd!!! If you like an Anime you should not base your opinions on it by how many extra's a DVD has.

Tell that to the people bitching about the new platinum Evangelion set, it includes a bonus disc with 4 "Directors' Cut" episodes, as well as some cool trailers on disc 1, yet people still piss and moan about extras lacking. I don't know why people would complain about extras on FUNi's DBZ DVDs. I'll admit, extras on the original DB DVDs were pretty bad (just trailers), but the episode content per release more than made up for that.

The GT series DVDs each contained their own gems, as every one had character profiles and textless songs (the first DAN DAN animation intro), while other ones would have unmentioned things like a translated openings/endings angle for the DVD's episodes, inside looks at the Budokai 2 or DBGT TCG games, as well as the Goku Jr. special's "10 Craziest Fighting Techniques" inclusion. Other examples of nice DVD extras include some of the DBZ movies, the movie 1 redub DVD included a commentary track, movie 5 included the Spanish-Mexican version fully English translated, movie 6 gave us some readable interviews of the English VAs and insight into the If Labs figures, and movie 8 gave us a behind-the-scenes look into the production of the "Legacy of Goku II" game (not to mention the Trunks special's DVD included a special recap look at the original DB and DBZ series' up to the death of Frieza). Hell, that's not even counting the first Ultimate Uncut DVD; Spanish-Mexican version, retrospective featurette on the history of DBZ and the Goku/Vegeta rivalry (including interviews of the English VAs of Goku and Vegeta), A subtitle Nimbus cloud track showing what was altered in the Ocean version, a Trivia section rewarding right answers with uncut clips, and a 5.1 dub mix.

Damn, that's a lot of talkin'!

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:03 am

For a series that contains a lot of episodes? I'd actually be alright..if they weren't only slapping three episodes per DVDs and calling trailers as "extras." Now, stuff that's in the first Ultimate Uncut DVD, THOSE are extras. Those are the kind of things that would be nice to have. But when they slap a retail price of $24.98 on just three episodes and trailers that you see just about on all of their DVDs, that's a bit harsh. :\

Yes, I'm aware online stores and some other stores have the prices cheaper. In fact, I have to resort to online ordering. The closest Best Buy by me is an hour drive away. The only stores that actually do carry them (along with Fullmetal Alchemist) charge about $25 per Z DVD.

Dragon Ball DVDs carry more episodes than Z and actually have at least bios for characters. The Dragon Ball DVDs at least make it worth the purchase since you're getting more episodes to watch. With Z, you see three episodes and you have the choice of seeing it either in another language or putting it away until you feel like watching again. :\

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:15 am

Tsukento wrote:For a series that contains a lot of episodes? I'd actually be alright..if they weren't only slapping three episodes per DVDs and calling trailers as "extras." Now, stuff that's in the first Ultimate Uncut DVD, THOSE are extras. Those are the kind of things that would be nice to have. But when they slap a retail price of $24.98 on just three episodes and trailers that you see just about on all of their DVDs, that's a bit harsh. :\

Yes, I'm aware online stores and some other stores have the prices cheaper. In fact, I have to resort to online ordering. The closest Best Buy by me is an hour drive away. The only stores that actually do carry them (along with Fullmetal Alchemist) charge about $25 per Z DVD.

Dragon Ball DVDs carry more episodes than Z and actually have at least bios for characters. The Dragon Ball DVDs at least make it worth the purchase since you're getting more episodes to watch. With Z, you see three episodes and you have the choice of seeing it either in another language or putting it away until you feel like watching again. :\

Anyone else remember back in 1999 all anime dub videos went for $19.99 and sub videos went for $24.99?

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:18 am

Extras don't justify a price tag, unless you have a whole crapload of them- LOTR extended editions, for example.

Tell that to the people bitching about the new platinum Evangelion set, it includes a bonus disc with 4 "Directors' Cut" episodes, as well as some cool trailers on disc 1, yet people still piss and moan about extras lacking. I don't know why people would complain about extras on FUNi's DBZ DVDs. I'll admit, extras on the original DB DVDs were pretty bad (just trailers), but the episode content per release more than made up for that.

The trailers are available on other DVDs, and the director's cut episodes are not extras, per se, they're a part of the show. Fans aren't so much annoyed that there are no extras on the thinpack, it's that there is no real alternative if you want to buy a boxed release, dont want to have to hunt for singles, and want the extras on the single discs. However, the thinpack does actually cost less, so it's a more arkward situation, I think.

Any ammount of spanish audio, English dub-centric extras and character profiles (from a show you're about to watch, with characters that are either very central, or totally forgettable), is no excuse to break 64 episodes into 20 DVDs, nor 291 into 90. Now, if there were extensive interviews with international casts, production crews, or SOMETHING that was more than just "what was available", then it might have been somewhat justifiable, but in the end it's an unnumbered release that was released ass-ended, and didn't make much sense, considering how popular this property is (even now or then, considering it's been a while since it aired and almost enters a nostalgia sort of market).

Considering they have been working on these episodes since before Pioneer's license expired in 2004, it just well.. burns a bit, considering I used to stand up for what they did in the hope that they'd get things out in a timely, reasonable fashion, which they didn't.

I'm not trying to sound vindictive (No really, I'm not. Crazy as it seems :p), but glamming something up that everyone else does as an almost basic requirement doesn't exactly reassure me in a product.

(FUNimation, while they've gained a cleaner image, aren't entirely fault free- FMA originally was going to be 16 discs, and while it was reduced to 13, it's still a bit over the top, considering many other 50-ep series have 10 disc releases. There've been plenty of video problems which have only been addressed, Yuyu Hakusho was done on 32 discs (excessive again), and holding a generally snotty-nosed disposition when it comes to people who just want to enjoy a show without taking a second mortgage, by limiting boxed releases by roughly two years. It seems like a bit much, honestly)

MultilangDBZ · Post by **MultilangDBZ** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:12 am

Well, objectively speaking, the FUNi music and the voice-acting themselves are perfectly up to par with any other cartoon.

BUT, subjectively, I prefer the original music and BGM, along with the original script.

The FUNi script is terrible and falls short of the original in every way - too much discretion was taken, e.g. lines added, taken away, seemingly funny jokes added etc. Punchlines can be shifted way out of line and a lot of content greatly edited (minus expletives). This shys away from the Japanese version considerably and so is quite unfaithful to it in accuracy. (Compared to say, Cantonese or Mandarin versions of dubbing of DBZ which have the original BGM etc with an accurate dubbing.)

Also, I thought the FUNi version could have picked better voice actors that should correlate in sound to the original as much as possible. Noticeably, King Kai sounds as though he needs some false teeth and kid Goku is not supposed to have a cocky voice considering his naive, playful character!

So basically, script was the major problem, along with the suitability of various voices. (Of course, there's also the unsuitable FUNi songs and BGM.)

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