What made GT so bad ?

[Hellspawn28]

Love when people downplay GT for it's faults but big up these new movies for these same faults. Oh, wait, Toriyama was at the helm, so it was funny and captured the spirit of the original Dragon Ball and was just a fun ride. GT, though? Stupid cash-cow, stupid Toei. Bleh.

To me, BOG didn't have major issues that GT did besides Vegeta somehow becoming stronger then SSj3 Goku by being angry at Beerus for hitting Bluma. At least Beerus was a pretty well written villain compare to Super 17 and Yi Xing Long in my opinion. I haven't seen ROF yet, but I've been told that the movie is not as bad as some people make out to be. At least Freeza becoming stronger again made more sense then having #17 becoming stronger in my opinion.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The end of DBZ was giving the message that Uub represented the next generation and Goku was training him to take his place or at least become a major ally. That's why it's disappointing that nothing was really done with him.

[ABED]

The end of DBZ was giving the message that Uub represented the next generation and Goku was training him to take his place or at least become a major ally. That's why it's disappointing that nothing was really done with him.

But the next generation wasn't there yet, Goku's time wasn't up. Also, it's like Blake at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, do you really want a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne?

[Polyphase Avatron]

The end of DBZ was giving the message that Uub represented the next generation and Goku was training him to take his place or at least become a major ally. That's why it's disappointing that nothing was really done with him.

But the next generation wasn't there yet, Goku's time wasn't up. Also, it's like Blake at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, do you really want a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne?

Dick Grayson and Terry McGinnis were both fine as Batman.

[Eire]

In comics Graysonm after apprenticeship, bacome hero known as Nightwing- with independent storyline.
For me comparison with Batman is flawed- for all his faults Goku was always Goku, while numerous incarnations of DC heroes has little in-common with each other apart from some iconic items and plot points.

[ABED]

The end of DBZ was giving the message that Uub represented the next generation and Goku was training him to take his place or at least become a major ally. That's why it's disappointing that nothing was really done with him.

But the next generation wasn't there yet, Goku's time wasn't up. Also, it's like Blake at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, do you really want a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne?

<br abp="713"><br abp="714">Dick Grayson and Terry McGinnis were both fine as Batman.

They were okay, but they weren't Bruce. Bruce is the only true Batman. And Terry wasn't that interesting, he needed the elderly Bruce who was still the most interesting character in the show. And Uub isn't Dick.

The point is, you can bring up the next generation, but it's rarely as interesting as the character(s) the audience have invested in since the beginning.

[Flame Dragon]

Honestly Omega Shenron was an amazing idea in paper. If he was written well he could've been the best villain ever.

I would have written him as a fusion of all dragons, a smug evil entity just doing his job. He needs to restore the Dragon Balls positive energy so he just commits atrocities to restore balance. His personality would be a flawed sense of justice, continually mocking the Z-Fighters for how many times they relied on their precious seven MucGuffins.

The Z-Fighters would fight their past itself.

[ABED]

Honestly Omega Shenron was an amazing idea in paper. If he was written well he could've been the best villain ever.

I would have written him as a fusion of all dragons, a smug evil entity just doing his job. He needs to restore the Dragon Balls positive energy so he just commits atrocities to restore balance. His personality would be a flawed sense of justice, continually mocking the Z-Fighters for how many times they relied on their precious seven MucGuffins.

The Z-Fighters would fight their past itself.

What does that even mean? How does death and destruction restore plus energy?

[Flame Dragon]

Honestly Omega Shenron was an amazing idea in paper. If he was written well he could've been the best villain ever.

I would have written him as a fusion of all dragons, a smug evil entity just doing his job. He needs to restore the Dragon Balls positive energy so he just commits atrocities to restore balance. His personality would be a flawed sense of justice, continually mocking the Z-Fighters for how many times they relied on their precious seven MucGuffins.

The Z-Fighters would fight their past itself.

What does that even mean? How does death and destruction restore plus energy?

Yin and Yang. Creation and Destruction.

[Polyphase Avatron]

That would have been better than what we actually got.

[Hellspawn28]

Yi Xing Long is a poor way to end the series as our final villain. The character felt so generic and pretty much had no character development. He shows up out of nowhere without any proper introduction to his character. Just another another lame doomsday villain to me. I think Bebi is the best main villain in my opinion. While he may be a rehash of Dr. Raichi, at least he has personality and a goal to wipe out the Saiyans. Not to mention his bratty personality fits his character since he was pretty much a spoiled child that wanted to rule the universe which is why his name is called "Bebi".

[Cetra]

Yi Xing Long's character was as much as the regular Z villain. Nothing to barely anything. Freeza had the most character in Z except for Boo's Upgrades and that was "arrogant because he is evil because he is powerful and fears to be overwhelmed by a greater power so he handles it the same way he always handles things and that is destroying because he is evil but in the end he loses against his own arrogance like all anime and RPG villain do - and he is evil. And he is not just evil but an idiot because his arrogance leads him to destroy a planet to get rid of a legend coming true instead of training for 5 minutes to be stronger than that legend and all that because he is evil - > arrogant -> a common trait shared by most villains as that is most used as handycap because otherwise it is pretty much impossible to defeat some of them as their powers are simply to great" Boo does not have more character than just being evil as long as he does not absorb someone. Then he normally is even more than Freeza ever was. Yi Xing Long does not need much of a character. He is the embodiement of a natural force. Just like Piccolo initially was just an embodiement of evil. To an amount you might even be able to see Boo like that and of course Janemba. But Dragon Ball does not really differ that much between an evil person and just a destructive force because in the end both is bad for the heroes.

[Hellspawn28]

When you compare to the other past villains we had in DBZ I feel like that there was build up to them. King Kai made Freeza sound like a horrible and evil tyrant like he is. Kami warning to Piccolo about Cell created suspense to his character since you didn't know what Kami was talking about and created a thought of imagination of fear to Piccolo's character. With Buu, you had no idea what Buu was going to look like and Kaioshin talk about how Buu would make Freeza look like a ant in terms of power. There was a lot of build up to Buu's appearance. I never got that with Yi Xing Long since he shows up out of nowhere and we hardly knew who he was when Goku first fights him. Heck the show never tells us on what wish he was born from, the GT Perfect Files give us more back story to his character then the show did in my opinion.

Freeza had the most character in Z except for Boo's Upgrades

I feel like Cell had a good amount of character in him too. He was design to be the ultimate life form and end up reaching his goal. Once he became Perfect, he didn't want anyone to beat him. He had a goal for lusted for power and wanted to be a god seeing that he wanted perfection on his own power.

[ABED]

That would have been better than what we actually got.

It really wouldn't it makes no sense. I know a lot of people think balance is somehow deep and meaningful but there's no balance between good and evil. The Scales should be overwhelmingly tipped in the favor of good.

Yin and Yang. Creation and Destruction.

What does that mean in this case?

The character felt so generic and pretty much had no character development.

He doesn't need any. What development did Freeza get? He's the same character from beginning to end.

[The Desert Bandit]

There was indeed too much of Goku in GT. I admit the music was good and some of the character designs were solid, but most of GT was just too silly, didn't make sense, etc. This is coupled with the lack of character development.

Honestly, the only good parts of GT were the Baby Saga, as I loved the idea of Goku's friends and family turning against him, and there was so many times where I was like "Oh my god! How is Goku going to get out of this one?" The idea was great, and it did succeed in giving a sense of no hope. Plus, I overall liked Baby as a villain, both is character and design.

Other than the Baby Saga, the ending was the only other good moment GT had to offer. It just seemed like the perfect ending to a long-running series, recapping on the previous highlights of Goku's life, while showing us the friends and allies he made in the meantime. Plus, ending off with the Z-Fighters realizing that they can't rely on the Dragon Balls to solve all their problems was just the cherry on top. So I will give GT props for the Baby Saga and ending.

[Cetra]

How was Cell all that much of a character? He got the ambition of Freeza, Cold, Piccolo and the Saiyajin. That made him curious of this power and arrogant and in the end he also couldn't accept that there was someone stronger. Really the only thing was that he fought because he was interested in it like Goku. But guess what? He turned around and did the same stuff they all did and let his arrogance hinder him, he could not accept it and then tried to just win by destroying everything after he had lost it. That was the prize for winning, Cell, not the way. Same villain kind. Those are normal, just not complex. He had a bit of fairness first. Make them evil and a world destroyer but write them even more of a character. Are they shown reckless and evil? Yes. But after those common traits there comes pretty much nothing. Normal villain traits without extra.

[bleed0range]

There was indeed too much of Goku in GT. I admit the music was good and some of the character designs were solid, but most of GT was just too silly, didn't make sense, etc. This is coupled with the lack of character development.

Honestly, the only good parts of GT were the Baby Saga, as I loved the idea of Goku's friends and family turning against him, and there was so many times where I was like "Oh my god! How is Goku going to get out of this one?" The idea was great, and it did succeed in giving a sense of no hope. Plus, I overall liked Baby as a villain, both is character and design.

Other than the Baby Saga, the ending was the only other good moment GT had to offer. It just seemed like the perfect ending to a long-running series, recapping on the previous highlights of Goku's life, while showing us the friends and allies he made in the meantime. Plus, ending off with the Z-Fighters realizing that they can't rely on the Dragon Balls to solve all their problems was just the cherry on top. So I will give GT props for the Baby Saga and ending.

I personally don't like the ending as much as everyone else because it doesn't resolve what happens with Goku. I know that's the point and at first I kind of liked it but over time I actually feel cheated a bit because this character who we grew up with mysteriously vanishes and we have no idea what's going on. It's not just that we don't know what happens next, it's more that we don't know what is happening at all. The show leaves you hanging without an explanation. What did any of that even mean? I know some think that makes it a great ending because it leaves it up to the viewer to decide but I find it to be a bit lazy with the writing and personally I don't like the idea that Goku just disappears from his family and friends and they all treat it like it is no big deal. The only one who seemed sad was Pan.

Meh. I like Toriyama's ending better because we may not know what is going to happen next but we can infer that it will continue to be grand adventures like what came before even if we don't get to see them.

[ABED]

I didn't get the impression that his family didn't think it was

Z's ending is terrible. He leaves with some kid and makes it seem like it's for an unknown amount of time. He can teleport, but why imply that he won't see his family for an extended period of time. Instead of making it about the group of characters we know and love, Toriyama introduces a new character and has Goku leave his friends and family to be with him.

[kei17]

Instead of making it about the group of characters we know and love, Toriyama introduces a new character and has Goku leave his friends and family to be with him.

Has he ever cared his family?

[Cetra]

Instead of making it about the group of characters we know and love, Toriyama introduces a new character and has Goku leave his friends and family to be with him.

Has he ever cared his family?

He wanted to save Gohan from Cell before 16 came in, he sacrificed his life. All that stuff.