Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[Doctor.]

So the power ranking of the Z warriors would be something like this:

• 1/2 - Goku / Vegeta (with the God power-up)
• 3 - Gotenks (in Super Saiyan 3)
• 4 - Mr. Boo
• 5 - Gohan (in Super Saiyan)
• 6 - Piccolo
• 7 - #18
• 8 - Trunks (in Super Saiyan)
• 9 - Goten (in Super Saiyan)
• 10 - Kuririn
• 11 - Tenshinhan
• 12 - Yamcha
• 13 - Chaozu
• 14 - Jaco
• 15 - Kame-sennin

Correct? Anything wrong? I only have doubts regarding Piccolo (if he's stronger than Gohan now), Trunks and Goten (if they're stronger than 18) and Jaco (if he's stronger or not than Roshi).

[RandomGuy96]

Trunks and Goten should be well above Piccolo.

Also, if you're counting Gotenks, then Vegetto should be the strongest. They've still got the Potara earrings.

[Hellspawn28]

I think Piccolo would beat both Goten and Trunks. I don't think they got any stronger since the Buu saga and Piccolo without his weights could probably beat them without them using fusion.

[rereboy]

Trunks and Goten should be above Piccolo in SSJ but below Gohan.

Not sure if Mr. Boo is above Gohan because its hard to tell how strong Gohan is supposed to be nowadays.

I would say that Trunks and Goten are definitely stronger than #18.

And I believe Jaco is stronger than Roshi.

[RandomGuy96]

I think Piccolo would beat both Goten and Trunks. I don't think they got any stronger since the Buu saga and Piccolo without his weights could probably beat them without them using fusion.

For evidence, we've got many things in favor of Goten and Trunks being stronger, and nothing in favor of Piccolo being stronger. It's not impossible for him to be stronger, but a neutral observation would conclude that the kids are superior simply because all of the implications point to them.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

So the power ranking of the Z warriors would be something like this:

• 1/2 - Goku / Vegeta (with the God power-up)
• 3 - Gotenks (in Super Saiyan 3)
• 4 - Mr. Boo
• 5 - Gohan (in Super Saiyan)
• 6 - Piccolo
• 7 - #18
• 8 - Trunks (in Super Saiyan)
• 9 - Goten (in Super Saiyan)
• 10 - Kuririn
• 11 - Tenshinhan
• 12 - Yamcha
• 13 - Chaozu
• 14 - Jaco
• 15 - Kame-sennin

Correct? Anything wrong? I only have doubts regarding Piccolo (if he's stronger than Gohan now), Trunks and Goten (if they're stronger than 18) and Jaco (if he's stronger or not than Roshi).

#18 > SS kids?

I think Piccolo would beat both Goten and Trunks. I don't think they got any stronger since the Buu saga and Piccolo without his weights could probably beat them without them using fusion.

For evidence, we've got many things in favor of Goten and Trunks being stronger, and nothing in favor of Piccolo being stronger. It's not impossible for him to be stronger, but a neutral observation would conclude that the kids are superior simply because all of the implications point to them.

There's also this:

Spoiler:

While reactions aren't always the best indicators, Goku (who is undisputedly stronger than the boys) isn't freaked out by their power like Piccolo is, Piccolo also already sensed the kids and knew they were Super Saiyans, but was still blown away right here.

[Low Tone G]

Trunks and Goten should be above Piccolo in SSJ but below Gohan.

Not sure if Mr. Boo is above Gohan because its hard to tell how strong Gohan is supposed to be nowadays.

I would say that Trunks and Goten are definitely stronger than #18.

And I believe Jaco is stronger than Roshi.

Piccolo is stronger than the kids... They didn't really train so Piccolo is stronger. They are fusion materials, after all.

I may think Lazuli is now a bit weaker than kids after their training in ROSAT in the Buu saga.

1. Goku/Vegeta
2. Gohan( I think he is still Mystic, but decided to go SSJ to show it to Freeza)
3. SSJ3 Gotenks(I don't think he will appear this time)
4. Mr. Buu
5. Piccolo
6.SSJ Trunks/SSJ Goten
7. Lazuli
8. Krillin
9. Tenshinhan
10. Jaco
11. Master Roshi

[Doctor.]

While reactions aren't always the best indicators, Goku (who is undisputedly stronger than the boys) isn't freaked out by their power like Piccolo is, Piccolo also already sensed the kids and knew they were Super Saiyans, but was still blown away right here.

Reminded me an awful lot about Goku powering up to 8,000 and Vegeta's reaction :/ He was just surprised, doesn't mean he's weaker.

With Super Boo, Piccolo was the dominant fighter.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Reminds me more of when 100% MSSJ Goku powered up at the Cell Games (Piccolo practically has the same face) :/

Why would Piccolo even be surprised anyway? He already sensed their power, he knows they're strong for their age, so why is he still visibly shaken, speechless, and gawking like an idiot?

The last time Vegeta read Goku's BP, it was in the low hundreds, Vegeta has a reason to be surprised there.

The boys were base inside of Buu, and Dai Kaioshin proves not always strongest come out dominant.

Piccolo has no feats over the boys.

[Mystic Tien]

So the power ranking of the Z warriors would be something like this:

• 1/2 - Goku / Vegeta (with the God power-up)
• 3 - Gotenks (in Super Saiyan 3)
• 4 - Mr. Boo
• 5 - Gohan (in Super Saiyan)
• 6 - Piccolo
• 7 - #18
• 8 - Trunks (in Super Saiyan)
• 9 - Goten (in Super Saiyan)
• 10 - Kuririn
• 11 - Tenshinhan
• 12 - Yamcha
• 13 - Chaozu
• 14 - Jaco
• 15 - Kame-sennin

Correct? Anything wrong? I only have doubts regarding Piccolo (if he's stronger than Gohan now), Trunks and Goten (if they're stronger than 18) and Jaco (if he's stronger or not than Roshi).

Oo Why is Buu stronger than Gohan? Mr. Buu is supposed to be weaker than Fat Buu (before splitting) and any other form of Buu. Everything else seems right enough. Though I guess we don't know how strong Jaco is now.

[Doctor.]

Oo Why is Buu stronger than Gohan? Mr. Buu is supposed to be weaker than Fat Buu (before splitting) and any other form of Buu. Everything else seems right enough. Though I guess we don't know how strong Jaco is now.

Just speculation on my part, he went Super Saiyan in the trailer and he says he hasn't been training and even doubts he can turn SSJ in the movie chapters, so I'm assuming he lost his power-up.

[The Monkey King]

While reactions aren't always the best indicators, Goku (who is undisputedly stronger than the boys) isn't freaked out by their power like Piccolo is, Piccolo also already sensed the kids and knew they were Super Saiyans, but was still blown away right here.

Reminded me an awful lot about Goku powering up to 8,000 and Vegeta's reaction :/ He was just surprised, doesn't mean he's weaker.

With Super Boo, Piccolo was the dominant fighter.

When SSJ3 Gotenks defused he reverted back to base then defused leaving the 2 kids in base, that's probably what happened inside Buu leaving Piccolo dominant,

BTW having 18 > SSJ Goten/Trunks is just flat out wrong.

[Kamiccolo9]

While reactions aren't always the best indicators, Goku (who is undisputedly stronger than the boys) isn't freaked out by their power like Piccolo is, Piccolo also already sensed the kids and knew they were Super Saiyans, but was still blown away right here.

Reminded me an awful lot about Goku powering up to 8,000 and Vegeta's reaction :/ He was just surprised, doesn't mean he's weaker.

With Super Boo, Piccolo was the dominant fighter.

When SSJ3 Gotenks defused he reverted back to base then defused leaving the 2 kids in base, that's probably what happened inside Buu leaving Piccolo dominant,

BTW having 18 > SSJ Goten/Trunks is just flat out wrong.

Was Piccolo even dominant, though? We see what Buu with just Piccolo looks like later, and he looks way different than Buu with both Piccolo and the kids. Piccolo might have changed Buu's clothes, but the kids changed Buu's facial structure, his head, and his hands.

[The Monkey King]

Was Piccolo even dominant, though? We see what Buu with just Piccolo looks like later, and he looks way different than Buu with both Piccolo and the kids. Piccolo might have changed Buu's clothes, but the kids changed Buu's facial structure, his head, and his hands.

That's a good point, but either way the kids did revert back to base inside Buu:

Spoiler:

[Kamiccolo9]

Was Piccolo even dominant, though? We see what Buu with just Piccolo looks like later, and he looks way different than Buu with both Piccolo and the kids. Piccolo might have changed Buu's clothes, but the kids changed Buu's facial structure, his head, and his hands.

That's a good point, but either way the kids did revert back to base inside Buu:

Spoiler:

Oh, I know. But it's not like the SSJ power is gone, it's just dormant. Buu could possibly still be drawing on it.

[Doctor.]

I forgot the kids managed to scare #18 in the tournament, but it doesn't really matter anyway as it appears the kids do have better feats over Piccolo who is undoubtedly stronger than her.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I just thought of something: Since the movie features the return of Freeza's army, and they have scouters, do you think we'll get any new confirmed power levels?

I'd certainly like for the humans to get some so we can finally get an idea of their strength, but the others we can guage just by the enemies they were able to fight. Except Piccolo but their scouters would probably break if they tried to calculate his.

They might have better scouters that can read higher power levels by now. I don't expect power levels for the strongest fighters (god ki can't even be detected normally anyway) but we could maybe see PLs for the likes of Piccolo and Gohan. It would also be funny if they tried to read 18's PL and it came out as 0, then she kicked their asses.

[ZombieVito]

It's been 5 years since the Buu saga, maybe Piccolo has already surpassed the boys.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Well ,if Toei is involved in the new movie, it wouldn't be shocking to see the kids nerfed as usual.

[Terra Prime]

It's been 5 years since the Buu saga, maybe Piccolo has already surpassed the boys.

Perhaps. But let's not forget the boys have a 50x power multiplier on their side. It wouldn't take long to surpass Piccolo again after moderate training sessions.