If you had to choose one major character to die in Super...

[chizzielamer]

if i were to pick a major character?

Roshi.

I consider him a "major" character as he is Goku's (and Kuririn and Yamcha) first mentor. He took the sidelines in DBZ and even BoG and RoF ( though he did fight) but having him to die would really rock the whole Dragon Ball family.

I can't see characters like Vegeta, Goku or Gohan dying because they have become such an integrated part of DB that killing them off would risk cutting off a huge part of the DB fanbase. However, Roshi is well-loved by all fans and his death would, similar to how Ace in One Piece, be a significant force to the overall atmosphere in DB.

[Rocketman]

Except that's explicitly not the reason Goku gives the Kaioshin as he preps for battle, which is that Boo is now alone and has nobody absorbed.

Yeah, but he was begging Vegeta for fusion versus Super Buu (who, as far as he knew had no absorptions), and then once he realized Kid Buu was too powerful for him he went "well shit, should've used the Potara".

And I don't get it - are you now trying to argue that Goku never had a problem with borrowing the power of others? When we have precedent of that going back to Freeza and at least as far back as Piccolo Jr?

What was the happening vs Freeza? I recall him not boo-hooing over using the Spirit Bomb.

Versus Piccolo Jr, he didn't want help because that would disqualify him from winning the Budokai, which is entirely different from being so ~noble~ as to nearly reject godhood because I Must Do This Myself. Fortunately, he's sooooooo special he can absorb the godly power and pretend like it's his from now on as he ascends past all those worthless Notgokus like Gotenks, Gohan and Vegetto.

"Beerus was too strong! Some of the other Z-senshi other than Goku should have been able to hurt him!"

"Vegeta shouldn't have been able to hurt him, Vegeta isn't supposed to be that strong!"

Vegeta suddenly getting a rage boost is as fucking stupid as him suddenly regrowing an arm.

[Ushabtis]

Vegeta suddenly getting a rage boost is as fucking stupid as him suddenly regrowing an arm.

wait, I'm confuse since when was it weird for someone to get stronger when they were super pissed?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Basically your argument is a 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' kind of deal. Nothing would satisfy you because you come up with some excuse to bash it.

[Zephyr]

Vegeta suddenly getting a rage boost is as fucking stupid as him suddenly regrowing an arm.

wait, I'm confuse since when was it weird for someone to get stronger when they were super pissed?

It only raises some eyebrows because Gohan was generally the resident special snowflake to get a significant enough of a boost from rage for it to be noteworthy. It's not remotely as stupid as Vegeta suddenly regrowing an arm, but it is giving Vegeta a narrative shtick (for literally one single instance) that was generally only used with Gohan. I'm not personally bothered by it, but others are.

[Saiga]

Basically your argument is a 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' kind of deal. Nothing would satisfy you because you come up with some excuse to bash it.

That's not even remotely fair at all. Rocketman has already made clear what would satisfy him (or at least, what he'd prefer).

Vegeta's moment does not fall within that. Rocketman already gave examples, and that simply didn't include that. So don't act like he's being a hypocrite when you're really just putting words into his mouth with your last post.

[ABED]

Yeah, but to stop the war, they devised a tournament in which they had to fight stronger opponents than in the past, and had to train for. =P

But the battle wasn't won by becoming the strongest, and the tournament wasn't even won by the strongest fighter

[Faustus]

Yeah, but he was begging Vegeta for fusion versus Super Buu (who, as far as he knew had no absorptions), and then once he realized Kid Buu was too powerful for him he went "well shit, should've used the Potara".

Yep, and then he uses a genki dama. But the point is that it's always only as an uncomfortable last resort which he'd well prefer to avoid and to which he only has recourse when he knows he has no chance in hell of winning on his own. His inner conflict versus Beerus only works because the God of Destruction is such an ambiguous antagonist, so that it takes Goku some time before he comes to realize that their match isn't a mere sparring session but that he's now again fighting for his life and his planet.

At any rate, you're getting distracted from my original point, which is that you're getting hung up on the term "God" and the magnitude of the power-up (which, unless you give a damn about power levels, is irrelevant when there still exist characters on Goku's level or beyond) and the members of the old cast who've now been left behind (which is not new), and in this way accusing the film of doing the exact opposite of what it's doing (refer to my initial reply to you).

Fortunately, he's sooooooo special he can absorb the godly power and pretend like it's his from now on as he ascends past all those worthless Notgokus like Gotenks, Gohan and Vegetto.

"Notgokus"? And Vegeta? Beerus? Whis? How is this any different from when the Saiyans first got Super Saiyan and near everyone else was left in the dust? How is this any different from the Boo arc?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, but he was begging Vegeta for fusion versus Super Buu (who, as far as he knew had no absorptions), and then once he realized Kid Buu was too powerful for him he went "well shit, should've used the Potara".

Goku knew that Evil Boo had absorbed Fat Boo.

What was the happening vs Freeza? I recall him not boo-hooing over using the Spirit Bomb.

Versus Piccolo Jr, he didn't want help because that would disqualify him from winning the Budokai, which is entirely different from being so ~noble~ as to nearly reject godhood because I Must Do This Myself. Fortunately, he's sooooooo special he can absorb the godly power and pretend like it's his from now on as he ascends past all those worthless Notgokus like Gotenks, Gohan and Vegetto.

Goku always preferred one-on-one fights, but he will work with others if he has to. The whole reason he wanted to have a rematch with Boo after he was reincarnated was because he couldn't beat him alone, and had to get help from others.

[Rocketman]

He wanted to use fusion against Fat Buu before he even knew Buu could absorb people.

Basically your argument is a 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' kind of deal. Nothing would satisfy you because you come up with some excuse to bash it.

No, it's a distaste for not using the characters in a way consistent with their personalities and abilities.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He wanted to use fusion against Fat Buu before he even knew Buu could absorb people.

Because there was no other way to beat him, and because he wanted to try it. Goku doesn't prefer death over team-work.

[Saiga]

He wanted to use fusion against Fat Buu before he even knew Buu could absorb people.

Because there was no other way to beat him, and because he wanted to try it. Goku doesn't prefer death over team-work.

It wasn't choosing teamwork over death. It was choosing teamwork over using Super Saiyan 3, which he didn't want to even try.

[Faustus]

Toriyama wrote by the seat of his pants. There was no Super Saiyan 3.

[Saiga]

Toriyama wrote by the seat of his pants. There was no Super Saiyan 3.

But once there was, Goku's actions before it didn't change.

[goku the krump dancer]

Toriyama wrote by the seat of his pants. There was no Super Saiyan 3.

Yeah thats true, but we don't really know how far "Writing as you go" actually goes. From what I heard in the past, Mangaka are supposed to be at least 3-4 chapters ahead of whats published in JUMP that week. So while everyone was whipping their tears from Vegeta killing himself, Toriyama was drawing Goku powering up to Super Saiyan 3.

With this is mind, this leads me to believe that SSJ3 was never meant to be anything too extravagant anyway because Fusion was already mention as the way to go to defeat Boo, Goku only transformed because he needed to stall Boo without getting himself killed, which probably would have happened if he stayed as an SSJ2.

[Faustus]

But once there was, Goku's actions before it didn't change.

They don't, but in light of that fact it's dishonest to exploit a single such quirk in the writing in support of Goku "eagerly" opting to cooperate even when a one-on-one match is a perfectly viable option. There is little debate to be had; we know Goku prefers fair one-on-one fights from the 23rd budokai onward, an ethic which he even tries to foist upon his son at the Cell Games and is later reaffirmed when he requests Boo be reincarnated.

Yeah thats true, but we don't really know how far "Writing as you go" actually goes. From what I heard in the past, Mangaka are supposed to be at least 3-4 chapters ahead of whats published in JUMP that week. So while everyone was whipping their tears from Vegeta killing himself, Toriyama was drawing Goku powering up to Super Saiyan 3.

Even if Toriyama did have Super Saiyan 3 in mind at the time, it wouldn't have been thought to suffice until the much later retcon of Goku's power right before the fight vs. Pure Boo.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Personally, I go by Goku expecting Fat Buu to further power up... hence his comment on Buu's Ki being "like a lie", and hence why he banked on fusion to beat Buu, instead of beating attempting to beat Buu himself and then teaching the boys fusion for later use.

In other words: SS Gotenks (pre) > Fat Buu (expected) > SS3 Goku >~ Fat Buu (actual)

[SaintEvolution]

I would choice probably Tien or Yamcha.

I think they could have(specially Yamcha) a death as a special moment, cause they didn't had many great moments in the last DBZ episodes or the the recent movies. And well, they're not the most important and relevant characters, so...

[soduh2]

Get Rid Of
Goku: I like the idea of him getting trapped in another dimension. Keep his fate ambiguous a la GT until the very end *spoilers* he's alive *spoilers*. Don't kill him though.
Vegeta: Only after Goku is gone for a while. Let Vegeta lead for a while, then go out in a blaze of glory (that actually works out). Recognized as the leader but not the main character (after Goku disappears).
Whis/Beerus: Emphasize that they are both more powerful than Goku and Vegeta; then kill them to show how powerful the "current threat" is. $#!t just got real. Bring in more team work and strategy as a result.
Dende: Eliminate the dragon balls, after Goku is gone (no instant transmission, except maybe Uub who has never been to New Namek)

Keep
Gohan: Lead after Vegeta dies
Goten
Trunks
Pan (if there): Should be the main character
Uub (if there): Should be the main character

Neutral
Every one else

[TheKingOfKamehamehas]

if i were to pick a major character?

Roshi.

I consider him a "major" character as he is Goku's (and Kuririn and Yamcha) first mentor. He took the sidelines in DBZ and even BoG and RoF ( though he did fight) but having him to die would really rock the whole Dragon Ball family.

I can't see characters like Vegeta, Goku or Gohan dying because they have become such an integrated part of DB that killing them off would risk cutting off a huge part of the DB fanbase. However, Roshi is well-loved by all fans and his death would, similar to how Ace in One Piece, be a significant force to the overall atmosphere in DB.

As a hardcore Kamesennin fan, I do agree with your points.

Piccolo doesn't matter anymore as far as I know so he can die. He was just a teacher in the Buu saga, but he didn't really help them out much. Plus he died in my story of how Super or the newer movies should be like.
It would be interesting to see Kaio Sama die, but I don't think he can...