Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Sora Saiyan]

Well I definitely put the high tier's like SSJ3 Goku, SSJ Gotenks and Gohan at least at light speed. Beerus is powerful but if speed scales linearly with power Beerus would be billions of times stronger than the boo arc characters, I can't see that.

[Saiyan007]

That's all assuming that Beerus doesn't have some sort of technique to travel fast, kind of like teleportation or similar.

if he did what would be the point of Whis taking him anywhere with his staff

[singsing]

The thing is I think the gap is too little... like imagine being able to run half as fast as your car can drive.

Not really. I mean, Nimbus was surpassed, and it's not like Nimbus and Whis's staff are very different. Imagine being able to run almost as fast as someone on a skateboard/scooter. Staff is skateboard/scooter. A bit faster, a LOT more convenient, while running is Beerus's travel speed. You're making this a lot more complicated than it has to be, nothing says people can't surpass or be close to techniques.

[rereboy]

That's all assuming that Beerus doesn't have some sort of technique to travel fast, kind of like teleportation or similar.

if he did what would be the point of Whis taking him anywhere with his staff

He's lazy, as its been shown multiple times. Also, Whis' transportation could have multiple advantages to whatever technique he used.

[Saiyan007]

That's all assuming that Beerus doesn't have some sort of technique to travel fast, kind of like teleportation or similar.

if he did what would be the point of Whis taking him anywhere with his staff

He's lazy, as its been shown multiple times. Also, Whis' transportation could have multiple advantages to whatever technique he used.

he's so lazy he'd rather go on trips that take minutes than instantly transport himself somewhere else.............

[Birusu16]

That's all assuming that Beerus doesn't have some sort of technique to travel fast, kind of like teleportation or similar.

if he did what would be the point of Whis taking him anywhere with his staff

He's lazy, as its been shown multiple times. Also, Whis' transportation could have multiple advantages to whatever technique he used.

That's kind of his point. Why would Beerus rely on Whis if he had a method like teleportation? The latter would be infinitely more convenient for someone like Beerus.

[rereboy]

he's so lazy he'd rather go on trips that take minutes than instantly transport himself somewhere else.............

You just saw him preferring to send Whis after his meat even though he probably could get to it faster, so... yeah. That's pretty much what was shown. He actually prefers to do nothing, except when gets too bored.

That's kind of his point. Why would Beerus rely on Whis if he had a method like teleportation? The latter would be infinitely more convenient for someone like Beerus.

Because, due to his laziness, he prefers to do nothing except when he gets too bored. We literally just saw him preferring to have Whis fetch his meat instead of getting it himself even though, apparently, he could do it faster, and he only went there because he got too bored. That tells us exactly that.

[pacz360]

I don't get what the problem here beerus doesn't have teleportation if he did he would have no problem using it plus he mentioned he could've flew to planet vegeta by himself.

[rereboy]

I don't get what the problem here beerus doesn't have teleportation if he did he would have no problem using it plus he mentioned he could've flew to planet vegeta by himself.

Just like he would have no problem getting his meat even faster than Whis but chose to let him fetch it anyway?

[pacz360]

I don't get what the problem here beerus doesn't have teleportation if he did he would have no problem using it plus he mentioned he could've flew to planet vegeta by himself.

Just like he would have no problem getting his meat even faster than Whis but chose to let him fetch it anyway?

He lazy for godsakes and impatient don't forget despite being his master whis is also his attendant.

[Birusu16]

he's so lazy he'd rather go on trips that take minutes than instantly transport himself somewhere else.............

You just saw him preferring to send Whis after his meat even though he probably could get to it faster, so... yeah. That's pretty much what was shown. He actually prefers to do nothing, except when gets too bored.

That's kind of his point. Why would Beerus rely on Whis if he had a method like teleportation? The latter would be infinitely more convenient for someone like Beerus.

Because, due to his laziness, he prefers to do nothing except when he gets too bored. We literally just saw him preferring to have Whis fetch his meat instead of getting it himself even though, apparently, he could do it faster, and he only went there because he got too bored. That tells us exactly that.

Yet he'd prefer to hitch a ride with Whis that would take minutes rather than instantly teleport there? He whined about the trip to Kaio's planet taking 26 minutes. Do you really think he'd hitch a ride with Whis for that long if he could've instantly teleported there?

And no, Beerus wouldn't get there faster. I've already went over that. It took Whis one minute to get there. It took Beerus a bit longer (one minute and 20 seconds to be exact).

And again no, he went there because he got impatient because Whis was taking too long. It had nothing to do with him being bored. The fact is that suggesting Beerus has a teleportation technique goes against everything the character has been portrayed to be. Not to mention it's speculation that's based on essentially nothing.

It's honestly a moot point.

[Sora Saiyan]

I just believe it's travel speed, until shown otherwise I'm not giving Beerus any ability that he hasn't shown or even been implied in the slightest to have. Even Beerus isn't that lazy that he'd rather spend 20 minutes getting somewhere compared to instantaneously, like when Whis took him to Kaios, and don't forget Beerus is just as impatient as he is lazy.

I still have Whis's staff faster by a decent amount, but if Beerus was too lazy he wouldn't have got there at all, and would've instead let Whis get the meat.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Maybe Beerus has the ability to teleport to his attendant?

[rereboy]

I don't get what the problem here beerus doesn't have teleportation if he did he would have no problem using it plus he mentioned he could've flew to planet vegeta by himself.

Just like he would have no problem getting his meat even faster than Whis but chose to let him fetch it anyway?

He lazy for godsakes and impatient don't forget despite being his master whis is also his attendant.

But that's what I'm saying... Because he's lazy, even if he could get faster to a place than Whis, generally he prefers to have Whis fetch what he wants or have Whis transport him. This is basically what we saw in the episode. Therefore, the argument that "if Beerus had teleportation or similar he wouldn't use Whis' transportation" doesn't hold.

Yet he'd prefer to hitch a ride with Whis that would take minutes rather than instantly teleport there?

Er... Since he literally preferred to have Whis fetch his meat for him, even though he could do it himself faster, yeah, that's what the episode told us.

[Birusu16]

Maybe Beerus has the ability to teleport to his attendant?

Ok, so why not chill at home (something he'd be much more inclined to do) and wait for Whis to get to said location and then teleport to him?

[Sora Saiyan]

Maybe Beerus has the ability to teleport to his attendant?

Nothing has hinted at that in the slightest. For now I'm just calling it his speed, I just think they would of made reference to a new ability if he used one. If it's revealed later that he can it's probably that.

Actually what Birusu16 said is very likely right.

[Birusu16]

Er... Since he literally preferred to have Whis fetch his meat for him, even though he could do it himself faster, yeah, that's what the episode told us.

1. No he couldn't. Like I said before, Whis got there in a minute. Beerus took a bit longer to do so.
2. That would require him exerting a lot of effort. Instantly teleporting does not.

It makes no sense no matter how you look at it. Beerus made a big fuss over the trip to Kaio's planet taking 26 minutes. He certainly wouldn't have hitched a ride with Whis if he could've made it there instantly by teleporting. And seeing as fighting the SSJG was something he desperately wanted, the Beerus lets Whis do everything excuse doesn't fly here. If he had a method to get there instantly like teleportation then he certainly would've taken it over a 26 minute trip (that he whined about) on Whis' back.

I'm not sure why you're ignoring this.

[rereboy]

Er... Since he literally preferred to have Whis fetch his meat for him, even though he could do it himself faster, yeah, that's what the episode told us.

1. No he couldn't. Like I said before, Whis got there in a minute. Beerus took a bit longer to do so.
2. That would require him exerting a lot of effort. Instantly teleporting does not.

It makes no sense no matter how you look at it. Beerus made a big fuss over the trip to Kaio's planet taking 26 minutes. He certainly wouldn't have hitched a ride with Whis if he could've made it there instantly.

So, you know exactly when Beerus left his planet to go to Whis, do you...? And you know exactly how much concentrating effort and Ki is spent in whatever technique Beerus would use, do you...?

When Beerus contacted Whis, Whis had been travelling for a minute and he still hadn't reach his destination yet, which means it took longer than one minute to reach it. Even if Beerus had left immediately after Whis told him that he still had 2 minutes left, that would take Beerus 1 min and 20 seconds to reach the destination at minimum.

That means that, at best case scenario for your point of view, Beerus is only slightly slower than Whis, and you can't be sure of that since you have no idea when Beerus left his planet to go to Whis, nor do you know how long it took for Whis to reach his destination after saying to Beerus that he had 2 minutes left.

So, if being certain is impossible, what's the most likely scenario? That Beerus left immediately after talking to Whis or that he waited a little more and then went to him? To me it seems logical that he didn't depart immediately, so, to me the most likely scenario is that Beerus could have been as fast as Whis or more at reaching the destination. It's possible that he couldn't, but that doesn't seem very likely since, even at best case scenario of him departing immediately after talking to Whis, he still would only take slightly longer to reach the destination.

As for your assumptions regarding teleportation, I think I have been clear enough.

The difference between what I'm saying and what you are saying is that I'm not taking any assumption for granted, while you seem to be assuming a lot.

[Bullza]

The preview for the next episode shows Goku lifting a huge amount of weights. Goku has never really had much in the way of any raw strenght feats so it's been interesting to see that for a change.

They might not put a number on it but it might put that 40 ton inconsistency to rest for a bit.

Beerus destroyed another planet again with a ki blast the size of a golf ball.

[Birusu16]

Er... Since he literally preferred to have Whis fetch his meat for him, even though he could do it himself faster, yeah, that's what the episode told us.

1. No he couldn't. Like I said before, Whis got there in a minute. Beerus took a bit longer to do so.
2. That would require him exerting a lot of effort. Instantly teleporting does not.

It makes no sense no matter how you look at it. Beerus made a big fuss over the trip to Kaio's planet taking 26 minutes. He certainly wouldn't have hitched a ride with Whis if he could've made it there instantly.

So, you know exactly when Beerus left his planet to go to Whis, do you...? And you know exactly how much concentrating effort and Ki is spent in whatever technique Beerus would use, do you...?

When Beerus contacted Whis, Whis had been travelling for a minute and he still hadn't reach his destination yet, which means it took longer than one minute to reach it. Even if Beerus had left immediately after Whis told him that he still had 2 minutes left, that would take Beerus 1 min and 20 seconds to reach the destination at minimum.

That means that, at best case scenario for your point of view, Beerus is only slightly slower than Whis, and you can't be sure of that since you have no idea when Beerus left his planet to go to Whis, nor do you know how long it took for Whis to reach his destination after saying to Beerus that he had 2 minutes left.

So, if being certain is impossible, what's the most likely scenario? That Beerus left immediately after talking to Whis or that he waited a little more and then went to him? To me it seems logical that he didn't depart immediately, so, to me the most likely scenario is that Beerus could have been as fast as Whis or more at reaching the destination. It's possible that he couldn't, but that doesn't seem very likely since, even at best case scenario of him departing immediately after talking to Whis, he still would only take slightly longer to reach the destination.

As for your assumptions regarding teleportation, I think I have been clear enough.

The difference between what I'm saying and what you are saying is that I'm not taking any assumption for granted, while you seem to be assuming a lot.

The most likely scenario is that he left immediately after talking to Whis considering he was impatient, which is the whole reason he contacted him in the first place. After he arrives he even says he feels like he was waiting 220 years. Why would a guy that impatient wait any longer than necessary to leave and head to his desired location? I could see your point if Beerus didn't give a shit, but he clearly did as evident by him giving a hyperbolic example of how long he's been waiting and him contacting Whis asking about it.

And no, you haven't been clear enough. You've been ignoring an essential part of my argument as to why Beerus wouldn't have a teleportation technique. As I've pointed out numerous times, Beerus whined about a 26 minute trip to Kaio's planet. If he could instantly teleport there and spare himself a 26 minute trip in order to gain something he so desperately wants such as fighting the SSJG then why wouldn't he? Why wait 26 minutes that you previously complained about when you can get there instantly? I mean hell, we just saw in this episode that Beerus is extremely impatient with things he wants (couldn't even wait 3 minutes for dinosaur meat). If he wants it and has a way to get to it as quickly as possible then he's certainly going to take that option.

As for assumptions, I'm using logic to dictate my assumptions.