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Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Vegeta went SSj2 after Cell killed Future Trunks. Would things be the same or different?
Well, Cell would be vastly hurt from his barrage of ki blasts, and Vegeta may have enough strength to sense and deflect Cell's beam without Gohan stepping in. The two together can final flash + kamehameha him to oblivion.
Goten accidentally enters a time machine and ends up on Namek during Frieza's invasion. He notices Krillin, Gohan, and Vegeta flying towards a set of dragon balls, with the former and latter each holding one of their own. Goten follows them. Krillin and co. land, and are ambushed by the Ginyu Force. Vegeta, in desperation, flings the dragon ball in his arms far away, but Captain Ginyu commands Burter to retrieve it. However, Goten catches it instead and flies toward them. With a smile he says, "hey guys, I caught a dragon ball!" Everyone is confused, especially Krillin, Vegeta, and Gohan, at the sight of the mini-Goku. What happens next and throughout the remainder of the saga?
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Vegeta went SSj2 after Cell killed Future Trunks. Would things be the same or different?
Well, Cell would be vastly hurt from his barrage of ki blasts, and Vegeta may have enough strength to sense and deflect Cell's beam without Gohan stepping in. The two together can final flash + kamehameha him to oblivion.
Goten accidentally enters a time machine and ends up on Namek during Freeza's invasion. He notices Krillin, Gohan, and Vegeta flying towards a set of dragon balls, with the former and latter each holding one of their own. Goten follows them. Krillin and co. land, and are ambushed by the Ginyu Force. Vegeta, in desperation, flings the dragon ball in his arms far away, but Captain Ginyu commands Burter to retrieve it. However, Goten catches it instead and flies toward them. He says with a smile, "hey guys, I caught a dragon ball!" Everyone is confused, especially Krillin, Vegeta, and Gohan, at the sight of the mini-Goku. What happens next and throughout the remainder of the saga?
Basically the Ginyu Force piss off Goten and they're defeated easily, then so is Freeza at the sight of the *gasp* Super Saiyan.
I was hoping to get a more detailed description of Vegeta's reaction in seeing all of that. lol.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:I was hoping to get a more detailed description of Vegeta's reaction in seeing all of that. lol.
Well, Vegeta would freak out but not engage in combat. Once Goten dispatched the Ginyu Force and they get the chance to talk to him, Vegeta becomes aware that he's not Goku (even if he doubts him, the real Goku should arrive any time soon any way).
If Vegeta ever tried to fight Goten, thinking he's Goku, I assume Goten would just knock him out because the Vegeta he knows is his friend... or something.
Doctor. wrote:If Vegeta ever tried to fight Goten, thinking he's Goku, I assume Goten would just knock him out to get back at him for the Buu saga gut punch.
Fix'd. =D
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
What if by some miracle the heroes learned about ssj4? And let's say by some miracle they could re grow their tails. Would they even consider using the power? And if they did. Would this power boost from this early on, help the heroes for the events of Super? Imagine the first time Goku fought beerus on king Kai's planet.
I know it's an inferior power up and non cannon. However imagine the potential of ssj4 Goku with godly power? Do you think he could beat beerus then?
i dont think ssj4 would come into play in ssjg since he appears to be in his base form. but i cant really tell how strong he would be because i havent seen gt and dont know how goku got ssj4.
Doctor. wrote:
Vegeta reaching SS2 so soon could have serious implications in the Boo arc though, he could reach SS3 now that he isn't worried about reaching SS2.
I guess the Buu saga might be different if Vegeta did went SSj2 at the Cell games. One small change in the timeline can change everything. Maybe Vegeta would have went SSj3 when becoming Majin Vegeta. SSj3 Goku vs. SSj3 Majin Vegeta would have awaken Buu much quicker and maybe Buu would have became stronger.
Truhan wrote:What if instead of fueling their transformations' power, like SSJ grades, they fueled their speed?
The SSJ would then stand no chance against any character that is Final Form Freeza level or above. Doesn't matter how fast the characters is, if their ki attacks or raw strength aren't good enough, they are useless in battle.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Truhan wrote:What if instead of fueling their transformations' power, like SSJ grades, they fueled their speed?
The SSJ would then stand no chance against any character that is Final Form Freeza level or above. Doesn't matter how fast the characters is, if their ki attacks or raw strength aren't good enough, they are useless in battle.
If the character is much faster than his opponent, then he can eventually wear him down. It just means that battles instead of taking the usual 4 hours, they'd take 10 more.
Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Jeice fought Vegeta instead of Recoom? Would things be the same or different?
Jeice's weaker durability could cost him. A blast that Recoome may be able to casually tank may leave him in critical condition. On the contrary, his superior speed may help him avoid getting pelted with attacks in the first place.
What if Tamborine decided to stick around and kill Roshi, Bulma, & co causing Goku to get so enraged and become a Super Saiyan early? How would the story be impacted upon from there?
"Why is a raven like a writing desk?" - The Mad Hatter
i domt think he could turn ssj so easily. i mean what we see from dragonball is, that pretty much every saiyan is capaple of ssj. if not even higher stages. but before planet vegeta was destroyed there was a whole bunch of saiyans and maybe in 1000 years there would be 1 ssj. so its not just anger you also need a particular amount of strengh to do it. because i cant really see, that in a 1000 years only 1 saiyan gets so angry. but now after goku and vegeta worked hard for it, gohan worked still hard but had to do less, goten and trunks very little.
Well to be fair Goku is kind of the "Chosen One", he is destined to eventually fight Beerus one day so he gets ridiculous increases in power rather quickly in comparison to the majority of Saiyans. I think he could've become SSJ at any point it's just he didn't because Toriyama hadn't thought of Goku as a Saiyan at that point, he was still just a parody of Sun Wukong before Raditz came around.
"Why is a raven like a writing desk?" - The Mad Hatter
i know oracle fish telled beerus he would be up against an ssjg. but he didnt say a particular name. also when he made that statement planet vegeta was still around. meaning he could have meant every saiyan.
I think it's clear that Goku was the one because Beerus and Whis do comment that Goku's potential is incredible and would some day become a match for Beerus if he kept at it, the fact that he was born as a paltry class warrior but became massively more powerful than 99.99% of other Saiyans shows there is something special to him.
"Why is a raven like a writing desk?" - The Mad Hatter
theherodjl wrote:Well to be fair Goku is kind of the "Chosen One", he is destined to eventually fight Beerus one day so he gets ridiculous increases in power rather quickly in comparison to the majority of Saiyans. I think he could've become SSJ at any point it's just he didn't because Toriyama hadn't thought of Goku as a Saiyan at that point, he was still just a parody of Sun Wukong before Raditz came around.
Not really. The "Super Saiyan God" is the chosen one. Literally any Saiyan can become one. They could have used the ritual to make any of the Saiyans currently alive the SSG, they just chose Goku instead.
Not just "any Saiyan" could become a SSJG, the rules of SSJG states that only pure hearted Saiyans can activate it as well as the fact that the power of the original SSJG may not be as strong as Goku. For all we know the power of the Saiyans who aid in its activation may further increase it's power, the rules don't state that each SSJG are exactly nor similarly as powerful as one another.
"Why is a raven like a writing desk?" - The Mad Hatter
they could have choosen vegeta or gohan too. but they went for goku since he was stronger than those too. also i dont like this whole choosen one thing because that would mean goku was basically destined to do what he did.
