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Re: Was _ really that bad/good as _?

Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:43 pm

heres one:
What do you mean when you say "his laugh sounds like Krusty/Woody/whoever"? You said the laughing rhythm isnt natural but it still doesnt relate to those characters.
You also say "her voice goes up and down like a cartoon" I...dont get that eithr.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:50 pm

Meredith was a fine #18. Not great, not good. Just fine.

Was Jeremy Inman really that good as #16?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:52 pm

Ree wrote:Was Meredith McCoy really that good as 18?
Although her voice can get a bit too deep, I think McCoy suits #18 pretty well.

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Post by Singh is King » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:58 pm

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But that's not a great defense. You say he didn't bring much depth, but the evidence is the grunting, which I've never found much problem with, much less now. I believe what he says, he can scream when he needs to, but Piccolo is a fairly stoic character.

He's not a deep multifaceted character. He's a coward. Then when he gets the upper hand, he becomes arrogant. What more is there to him?

What ranger are you referring to? Sabat's Piccolo isn't monotonous and has plenty of depth. Could you go more into this?
It's not just the grunting as much as how he sounds like he's gargling at times when he does it, though again, I have more of a problem with the sheer blandness Sabat has as Piccolo than his grunts. I don't think he screams all that well as Piccolo in Kai, either, while McNeil sends shivers down my spine when he does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krrJ3ccfnUI.

It is true Piccolo is stoic, but not completely flat and dull, either, IMO.

Ayres works for Guldo, yes, but I just find the voice annoyingly high-pitched. It fits, but I don't like it- the way he voiced Guldo in Xenoverse was MUCH better, IMO.

Well, range in terms of expressing more variety of emotions and with more energy: Sabat sounding monotonous meaning flat and dull rather than having a sharp edge or energy like McNeil did. I'll just agree to disagree. McNeil actually got me to cry when Piccolo died, whereas in Kai, Sabat just made me feel...pretty much nothing, like he was just line reading.
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Was Jeremy Inman really that good as #16?
Nothing special, but tolerable, though I found it bland: McNeil sounding like (IMO) a dying tape recorder as #16 in Ocean was worse, though.

Was Todd Haberkorn really that good as #19?

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Re: Was _ really that bad/good as _?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:09 pm

Ree wrote:Singh is King

Kirby Morrow did it so much better than he did, it was a good thing he came in when he did :D

at least his Piccolo isnt his Recomme, that's really the best I can say about it.

Havent heard Chris Sabat 1999 take on Zarbon. when does he voice him?

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I didnt like it, it was just a mismatch IMO and doesnt match the design. maybe if it was used on fanart of a more aged Tullece as a good guy and maybe a gender swap.

Was Kirby Morrow really that bad as Kid Goku?
How the fuck does Nowzwa voice not match Tullece design ? His design is almost exactly like Goku who Nowzwa voices, I mean it might not fit the charcter but it fits the design.
Also not to mini mod but can you please learn how to use the quote system.
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Post by ABED » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:14 pm

Sabat's screams are fine, not the greatest as Piccolo, but they're fine by me, but again, that's not what acting is all about. There's more to a DBZ actor than how well they scream.
It is true Piccolo is stoic, but not completely flat and dull, either, IMO.
Sabat isn't flat. I now understand what you mean, but I disagree. I think both Sabat and McNeill did a great job with Piccolo's death, though I think I'll give the edge to Kai as I feel the emotions were more earned, though that's more due to the writing and direction than anything that could probably be attributed solely to McNeil.

Inman was intolerable in Z, but good in Kai. He was far less robotic.
McCoy's voice is deep but I buy it for someone in their late teens. I went to high school with a girl who had a voice very similar to that. It's deep, sexy, and the performance is good too.
Haberkorn was bad, though not nearly as bad as whoever performed the voice in Z.
What do you mean when you say "his laugh sounds like Krusty/Woody/whoever"? You said the laughing rhythm isnt natural but it still doesnt relate to those characters.
You also say "her voice goes up and down like a cartoon" I...dont get that eithr.
I mean just that, it sounds like Krusty/Woody. There's an unnatural quality to the laugh. It doesn't sound cute or natural or childlike. It's very fake and put on. It's hard to explain in words, and that was the closest approximation I could think of. I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't relate to those characters".

I never said "it goes up and down like a cartoon". I've said the rhythms of her delivery are very fake/unnatural.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:40 pm

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It doesnt sound his age, doesn't sound evil, doesnt sound male.
Its impossible for me to attach that voice to Tullece
Your post implies i actually like Nozawa Goku.
Simply because two characters look similar doesnt mean they should have the same voice
Sonic & Shadow dont have the same voice.
I don't attach Sonic's voice to any of the Sonic recolors on deviantart.
When responding to multiple people on the same page especially if some of the posts are long i think this format is easier.

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I doubt it can be that hard to explain.
You could just say "its fake and put on" instead of "he sounds like Krusty" then.
You did say it goes up and down at one point, maybe not often but I've seen it before.

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Jeremy Inman 16 one of my favorite Funimation Kai voices actually.

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No he sounded annoying but then I hate all of 19's voices. Well everything about 19 sucks...
I watched that This Calling vocal cover over and over, and this one too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0uVEDZVgtg
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Post by ABED » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:44 pm

I doubt it can be that hard to explain.
You could just say "its fake and put on" instead of "he sounds like Krusty" then.
You did say it goes up and down at one point, maybe not often but I've seen it before.
You'd be wrong about that, trying to explain a line delivery and the nuances of it in writing is difficult.
But that's not specific enough. It's the how of it.
It's not that it goes up and down, it's how Nadolny or Kelamis make it go up and down.
It doesnt sound his age, doesn't sound evil, doesnt sound male.
Its impossible for me to attach that voice to Tullece
Your post implies i actually like Nozawa Goku.
Simply because two characters look similar doesnt mean they should have the same voice
Sonic & Shadow dont have the same voice.
I don't attach Sonic's voice to any of the Sonic recolors on deviantart.
You and the age thing. Nozawa makes Tullece sound like evil Goku, which is the point. They don't look similar, they look the same, except for a different skin shade. Knuckles looks more different to Sonic than Goku does to Tullece. ANd just because you can point to another example of two characters looking similar but don't share the same voice, doesn't mean that's the only way to do it.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:49 pm

Likewise it can be hard to explain why i don't like what I like.
What makes them bad compared to others? Maybe show video proof and then show me how to do it and not to do it.

And different clothes. and Turles is more buff by a little.
See my points about Sonic recolors.




Was Matt Smith really that bad as Tienshinhan?
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Post by ABED » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:52 pm

Ree wrote:Likewise it can be hard to explain why i don't like what I like.
What makes them bad compared to others? Maybe show video proof and then show me how to do it and not to do it.

And different clothes. and Tullece is more buff by a little.
See my points about Sonic recolors.

Was Matt Smith really that bad as Tenshinhan?
They have different clothes because the point is that had Goku not bumped his head, he would have worn that very same outfit. Knuckles isn't merely a change of color.

Yes, Smith was awful as Tenshinhan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GsAbLNpVdM
Disregard TFS, listen to the redub and the Ocean dub. Notice how much more natural Schemmel's delivery is whereas Kelamis is far more exaggerated and unnatural. That scene is indicative of most of Kelamis's performance.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:55 pm

The point is there are slight differences.
Shadow is almost a recolor and has a different voice.
Fans make Sonic X recolors all the time and I can look them up on deviantart and I do not imagine any of the canon voices on them.
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Post by ABED » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:58 pm

Ree wrote:The point is there are slight differences.
Shadow is almost a recolor and has a different voice.
Fans make Sonic X recolors all the time and I can look them up on deviantart and I do not imagine any of the canon voices on them.
Yes, SLIGHT differences. The whole point of Tullece is to be a dramatic foil for Goku.
Again, there isn't one valid way to do the voice. You can have the same actor or not.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:04 pm

Looking similar doesnt mean they just HAVE to have the same voice either and I just dont buy Nozawa as Tullece.
As for the clip you linked Sean exaggerated too, not the same way as Peter but some parts are exaggerated regardless.
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Post by ABED » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:07 pm

Ree wrote:Looking similar doesnt mean they just HAVE to have the same voice either and I just dont buy Nozawa as Tullece.
As for the clip you linked Sean exaggerated too, not the same way as Peter but some parts are exaggerated regardless.
It's not exaggerated NEARLY to the extent and it's also the way he does it. It's the exaggeration and goofy voice that he gave along with the weird inflections. Sean's is more exaggerated in Kai, but in the redub, he's pretty neutral.

Your first statement is covered in my statement that there isn't one valid way to do it. If you don't buy Nozawa as Tullece, then you don't buy her as Goku.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:16 pm

PEter: "I think I'll have a sports soda insTEAD, its much BETTER for me, and TASTES great."
Sean (Redub): "There, now THAT's what I'm looking for a SPORTS drink, its much less filling and tastes GREAT."
Both of them are exaggerated to a degree just in different places

Thing is the voice fits Turles' personalit even less
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Post by ABED » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:22 pm

It's not the different words that are emphasized, it's the degree of exaggeration. How can anyone with a straight face say that Schemmel's acting in that scene not far more natural? Schemmel puts some emphasis on certain words, but Kelamis is over the top and goofy sounding.

Thing is the voice fits Tullece' personalit even less
She doesn't voice him the same as Tullece. Her Tullece is very quiet and ominous.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:26 pm

The way Sean Schemmel did it is over the top too.
Goku is supposed to sound goofy?

you just smashed your own point, the performance is different even if the voice might be similar so someone can like one and not the other.
And if we go by your statement that means (insert actor here) cant be bought as Sonic if you can't imagine them on all the recolors flying around deviantart and google images.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:42 pm

Ree Tullece is Goku except he didn't hit his head and landed on a different plant, so it makes perfect why they have the same voice.
Your post implies i actually like Nozawa Goku
No it didn't.
Also stop bringing age and fan art into your agurments.
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Post by Ree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:36 pm

It makes sense but its just that i like her Tullece less

You asked how its a mismatch when she uses a similar voice on Goku
Age i get but I don't know any other way to explain how i would prefer an actor. "Nozawa sounds like a genderbent Tullece" doesnt sound any better and neither does "if Piccolo was a human i would like the voice more".
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:47 pm

Ree wrote:It makes sense but its just that i like her Tullece less

Age i get but I don't know any other way to explain how i would prefer an actor. "Nozawa sounds like a genderbent Tullece" doesnt sound any better and neither does "if Piccolo was a human i would like the voice more".
I meant when you say stuff like " look up human piccolo and [insert name here] voice fits it".
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