Do you get bothered seeing dub names?

[Hellspawn28]

is whatever the crap they named the evil dragons from GT: those're all completely pulled from their ass.

I felt like Nova Shenron was a decent name for the 4th Shadow Dragon. At least his name made sense given that he is a fire dragon. Why they call the 3rd one as "Eis Shenron" made no sense. Saying Eis instead Ice always looked stupid to me.

[precita]

Honestly its GT, I doubt anyone cares much about the dragons names.

[ABED]

is whatever the crap they named the evil dragons from GT: those're all completely pulled from their ass.

I felt like Nova Shenron was a decent name for the 4th Shadow Dragon. At least his name made sense given that he is a fire dragon. Why they call the 3rd one as "Eis Shenron" made no sense. Saying Eis instead Ice always looked stupid to me.

The first letter of the Shadow Dragons spells out Shenron.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think some of the recent debates in this thread do prove the original question. Some people are still very triggered by dub names...in the year 2016. Its almost as if the same arguments from 15-16 years ago have never subsided.

Possibly because the subject of the arguments is still there?

If Funimation had rectified their mistake, this conversation most likely wouldn't be happening, and you would have a point. As it is, they haven't, and you don't.

As for being "triggered," maybe the dub fans who get enraged when told that the names they have had shoved down their ears for a decade are wrong should take a big reflective step back before using that word.

[Kamiccolo9]

"Frieza" is the only one that bothers me. "ei" and "ie" words can be a hassle to me sometimes. That's actually my main reason for preferring "Freeza". Also I like it better when it sounds like it looks. It's free-za, not fry-za after all.

I never understood this. There are plenty of oft-used words I English that have the "ee" sound and use the "ie" spelling. Believe and relief/relieve are the first that come to mind. English is just weird like that.

In German, it IS pronounced with the "ee" sound because the ie is not pronounced like "i"
I think whoever made this change was going for this, for whatever reason.

Missed this earlier.
Ich weiß das. Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut, aber ich weiß, dass viel.



But there are perfectly common and acceptable examples in English, so I didn't feel the need to bring it up.

[Gyt Kaliba]

If Funimation had rectified their mistake, this conversation most likely wouldn't be happening, and you would have a point. As it is, they haven't, and you don't.

As for being "triggered," maybe the dub fans who get enraged when told that the names they have had shoved down their ears for a decade are wrong should take a big reflective step back before using that word.

Again though, you can't really realistically expect them to suddenly change the dub character names after all these years, and alienate the fans of the dub too. Say what you will about correcting mistakes, it's still changing something that has stood for this long in "good graces" with your general fandom (IE the main market they really go after, what with how cheap the Season Sets/Bluray Seasons are), just for the sake of trying to please the diehard fans, many of whom still would have next to no interest in the English version anyway. It'd just be a lose/lose situation for them, really.

Agree whole-heartedly that this 'triggered' term is a bit much for the entire situation though.

The first letter of the Shadow Dragons spells out Shenron.

...Holy crap. How did I NEVER notice that before. Hmm...and 'Syn' was the one star ball, and 'Nova' was the fourth one (though there's the other N for 'Naturon')...do the order they go in also represent the numbered Dragon Ball they were supposed to be? Haze Shenron (or the first one Goku and Pan meet, the water pollution one), is he the two-star Dragon?

[Ajay]

Renaming those dragons was one of the dumbest things they've done. Totally killed the whole point of those dragons AKA the one part of GT that was genuinely charming.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm with Mike in believing that the <10 people that would be inexorably alienated from the franchise would be acceptable losses. The rest would get over it.

Maybe I've changed over the past few years, since I recall being more lenient on this in the past, but I'm in a position now where I just can't stand willful ignorance, so any sympathy I once had is now gone.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Most would get over it, and any that would let it get to them to the point that they couldn't follow the show any more, would definitely not be worthwhile losses, yes - but again, what would they really get out of the deal by changing it now? I can't imagine very many Japanese version fans going 'Oh hey, FUNi is calling him Tenshinhan in the dub now. All is forgiven, guess I can watch it in English now.'. Most would merely nod in appreciation, or shake their head and go 'too little too late', so what would FUNimation really gain from that? Bragging rights?

Renaming those dragons was one of the dumbest things they've done. Totally killed the whole point of those dragons AKA the one part of GT that was genuinely charming.

I dunno, I always looked at their point being about overusing the Dragon Balls, and the naming quirk being just kind of another nice name pun convention going on. There definitely could have been an easier middle ground though, because FUNi actually took said middle ground with the dub episode titles - outside of a few episodes (mostly towards the end), most of the Dragon arc episodes are simply titled 'The #-Star Dragon', with the number being the Dragon Ball housing the particular Dragon showcased in that episode. So really they could have just kept that going and simply referred to them by their numbers. My only guess is someone on the marketing team decided that wasn't as 'awesome' and 'stand out' as coming up with names that hinted at their elements. ...Er, in most cases, anyway. Not exactly sure what about 'Rage' hints at electricity...

[ABED]

Totally killed the whole point of those dragons AKA the one part of GT that was genuinely charming.

How? What do you see the whole point of them was?

Gyt Kaliba, to answer your question, yes, Haze is the two star Dragon.

Most would merely nod in appreciation, or shake their head and go 'too little too late'

My guess is their reaction would most likely be the latter.

[Gaffer Tape]

Hmm, you know, this debate about whether dub fans would accept a big change like that all of a sudden just reminded me of something else: 1999. Remember that? It was the year season 3 began airing, and all of a sudden every single voice actor was different, the music was different, the aesthetic for the title cards was different, blood was suddenly visible. And a lot of it was much, much worse than it had been before. Fans of the series of the time predicted this was the end of DBZ in America. That no one would put up with it. And yet somehow, DBZ became infinitely more popular than it had been up to that point. Maybe I'm grasping at straws. But I think if the NA fandom could deal with that, they could deal with anything.

[VegettoEX]

Fantastic point that I too like to make often, to which the typical (if not fair?) response is: "But that was only after a three-year period, not another 17 years later!"

[ABED]

Hmm, you know, this debate about whether dub fans would accept a big change like that all of a sudden just reminded me of something else: 1999. Remember that? It was the year season 3 began airing, and all of a sudden every single voice actor was different, the music was different, the aesthetic for the title cards was different, blood was suddenly visible. And a lot of it was much, much worse than it had been before. Fans of the series of the time predicted this was the end of DBZ in America. That no one would put up with it. And yet somehow, DBZ became infinitely more popular than it had been up to that point. Maybe I'm grasping at straws. But I think if the NA fandom could deal with that, they could deal with anything.

Which is a testament to DB's enduring popularity and charm that despite numerous changes, the show connects with people all over the world.

[Kuririn Fan]

Hmm, you know, this debate about whether dub fans would accept a big change like that all of a sudden just reminded me of something else: 1999. Remember that? It was the year season 3 began airing, and all of a sudden every single voice actor was different, the music was different, the aesthetic for the title cards was different, blood was suddenly visible. And a lot of it was much, much worse than it had been before. Fans of the series of the time predicted this was the end of DBZ in America. That no one would put up with it. And yet somehow, DBZ became infinitely more popular than it had been up to that point. Maybe I'm grasping at straws. But I think if the NA fandom could deal with that, they could deal with anything.

Which is a testament to DB's enduring popularity and charm that despite numerous changes, the show connects with people all over the world.

Rest of the world got the original music and accurate scripts. And the correct DB - DBZ order.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I was just about to make that exact point too. A three year difference compared to an almost two decade one is quite the large difference in time. Fans have had ample time to grow into adults in that period of time, and have had a lot more time to get used to said terms and names. And I'm still not entirely sure what there would be to gain in the long run either.

I honestly think their biggest chance, if any, for doing any of this would have been Kai, and even there really the only major change that they did that's actually carried over into the rest of newer 'Z' material, is Ayres as Freeza. The few times they changed attack names back, like with Makankosappo and Kienzan, didn't really seem to stick beyond Kai, or in the case of Kienzan didn't even stick through the entirety of Kai. Other things like 'Hyperbolic Time Chamber' I don't believe were changed back to 'Room of Spirit and Time' in it's dub either, were they? I'm not sure how much of the stuff not changed for Kai was a result of them willfully keeping it the same though, versus the confusion from dubbing two different versions at once, since we know the latter definitely caused a few issues here and there.

Rest of the world got the original music and accurate scripts. And the correct DB - DBZ order.

Much of the rest of the world, but I don't know about all. The Big Green dubs for the DBZ movies are infamous, but as far as I know they didn't ever do any of Dragon Ball (and would love to be corrected if wrong here, because holy crap I must hear more if they did). And in their defense, they did try to start with the original Dragon Ball here, it just ended up not working out unfortunately. By the time they started yet again with the Z material, they knew that that material was proving to be an even bigger success in Japan as well, so it made business sense to them at the time to try giving that 'new' series a chance rather than trying again with the older one that had already failed them.

[ABED]

Rest of the world got the original music and accurate scripts. And the correct DB - DBZ order.

Maybe the correct order, but it's not neccessarily true that they got accurate scripts.

Other things like 'Hyperbolic Time Chamber' I don't believe were changed back to 'Room of Spirit and Time' in it's dub either, were they?

Nope. HTC is still that, which does bug me. I don't like the name, maybe it's more because I'm used to The Room of Spirit and Time, but Hyperbolic Time Chamber makes it seem mechanical and not mystical.

[Gaffer Tape]

I was just about to make that exact point too. A three year difference compared to an almost two decade one is quite the large difference in time.

To that I ask, how long is too long, then? Without the benefit of hindsight for the longevity of this franchise in North America, how was three years any different at that time? If you'd brought up the idea that we'd still be talking about this two decades later, the idea would seem unfathomable, not least of which because you'd be largely talking to people younger than two decades old. Three years is more than enough time to form an attachment to something, especially for kids. I mean, I really can't say how long it takes an individual to form such an attachment, but I would wager that once it happens, the following years are certainly diminishing returns in that regards. That is to say, for example, if it takes three years to form a solid attachment, then the remaining seventeen years aren't really doing much that hasn't already been accomplished. Long before that point, you're either attached or you're not.

[Gyt Kaliba]

To that I ask, how long is too long, then? Without the benefit of hindsight for the longevity of this franchise in North America, how was three years any different at that time?

To that, I admit, I don't have a satisfactory answer. At least not one I can really put into words very well. Maybe because a lot of it is based on hindsight? I dunno. All I do know is that nearly two decades of something being a certain way is definitely a larger amount of time for things to 'settle' and for people to then be upset when the status quo is changed. It's not really too different to the way a lot of people get overly upset about some of the changes that have started to seep in to the larger mythos, thanks to this new 'Battle of Gods' era of material.

Admittedly that's also the same reason (other than a preference for things not to be changed) that fans of the original version were rightfully upset when the dub changes first started happening, because it was a change to things they'd already grown used to.

[precita]

Its a shame some aspects of the Saban dub lingered into Season 3. There are a few "next dimension" lines in the early Season 3 eps that are still there to this day. Its not as bad since nobody says, "I'm sending you to the next dimension!" but you hear things like, "We have to wish Piccolo and the others back to this dimension."

Which I suppose isn't too bad, but eh.

[ABED]

Its a shame some aspects of the Saban dub lingered into Season 3. There are a few "next dimension" lines in the early Season 3 eps that are still there to this day. Its not as bad since nobody says, "I'm sending you to the next dimension!" but you hear things like, "We have to wish Piccolo and the others back to this dimension."

Which I suppose isn't too bad, but eh.

This makes it sound like this was the worst of the problems from that season. Sadly, that's not the case.