Why is Broly popular?

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by ABED » Sat May 21, 2016 10:03 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Toei saved it, the chapter sucks ass, probably the only part of the manga i don't like, it's not even a numbered chapter (1-519), it's just an afterthought.
How is it not being a numbered chapter a detraction? It's a well written side story that shows why Trunks is desperate to stop them and why he feels so powerless. The majority of the Buu arc is drawn out and simultaneously rushed. Hell even movie 8 is too long.
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 21, 2016 10:05 am

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Kuririn Fan wrote:Toei saved it, the chapter sucks ass, probably the only part of the manga i don't like, it's not even a numbered chapter (1-519), it's just an afterthought.
How is it not being a numbered chapter a detraction? It's a well written side story that shows why Trunks is desperate to stop them and why he feels so powerless. The majority of the Buu arc is drawn out and simultaneously rushed. Hell even movie 8 is too long.
It's really not, that's the point, it's a terrible chapter.

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by ABED » Sat May 21, 2016 10:11 am

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Kuririn Fan wrote:Toei saved it, the chapter sucks ass, probably the only part of the manga i don't like, it's not even a numbered chapter (1-519), it's just an afterthought.
How is it not being a numbered chapter a detraction? It's a well written side story that shows why Trunks is desperate to stop them and why he feels so powerless. The majority of the Buu arc is drawn out and simultaneously rushed. Hell even movie 8 is too long.
It's really not, that's the point, it's a terrible chapter.
Your basis is that it gives us no new information and that it doesn't show the fights. That doesn't make it a badly written chapter. You also falsely claimed that it's just events, but you don't see that the events logically lead from one beat to the next. It's a logical progression of events leading to Trunks deciding to take the time machine back so he can meet Goku and give him his heart medicine. It is well written.
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 21, 2016 10:12 am

It's a terrible chapter. This also has nothing to do with the topic.

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by ABED » Sat May 21, 2016 10:21 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:It's a terrible chapter. This also has nothing to do with the topic.
1 - you brought it up and 2 - is that how you are going to continue argue your point by just repeat "it's terrible"?
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by sintzu » Sat May 21, 2016 10:51 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Toei saved it, the chapter sucks ass, probably the only part of the manga i don't like, it's not even a numbered chapter (1-519), it's just an afterthought.
This is Toriyama's comment on it when it was released in Shonen Jump :

"A Dragon Ball Z TV special based on this week’s Trunks one-shot is planned for broadcast within the year."

I think the reason it turned out the way it did was because it was never planned but instead Toei asked him to write them something they could work off of.

so you could look at it as a draft for the TV special rather then a full chapter.
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Super Sonic » Sat May 21, 2016 11:17 am

Something also about Broly is what surprises some folks is it being one of Vic Mignogna's early roles. (Kuririn Fan, he's a well known voice actor). Lot of folks were surprised to learn that it was him, as it's rather different from many of his roles.

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Ikazvyr » Sat May 21, 2016 2:38 pm

ABED wrote:Where did you get the idea that you can't develop a whole story in 30 minutes? The plot in the movie isn't complex. Someone who felt betrayed wants revenge so he sets out to get revenge on the son of the man he deems responsible, but his son's rage gets the better of him. It's not a great story and I'm not sure how the slavery subplot helps the A-story, but the plot works because it's simple, not as simple as it could have been, but not overly complex.
I know it's simple, but I felt the plot was incomplete and could have be worked better. That's something to complain not just in DBZ movies, but also in other franchises. I finished the movies and "welp, just it?". You know, if Goku and Broly were destined to fight, why the rivalry was so poorly developed? The impression caused was "Goku cried, Broly couldn't sleep", and that can (CAN) be just a joke, but a lot of people around the internet says it, even close friends of mine
Also, Broly saying "Kakarot", being very angry just to be next him... Why did he knew his name? Why did he knew he was Kakarot? Don't you think that's something that proves my "incomplete plot" point? They were just newborns back then

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by ABED » Sat May 21, 2016 5:34 pm

Ikazvyr wrote:
ABED wrote:Where did you get the idea that you can't develop a whole story in 30 minutes? The plot in the movie isn't complex. Someone who felt betrayed wants revenge so he sets out to get revenge on the son of the man he deems responsible, but his son's rage gets the better of him. It's not a great story and I'm not sure how the slavery subplot helps the A-story, but the plot works because it's simple, not as simple as it could have been, but not overly complex.
I know it's simple, but I felt the plot was incomplete and could have be worked better. That's something to complain not just in DBZ movies, but also in other franchises. I finished the movies and "welp, just it?". You know, if Goku and Broly were destined to fight, why the rivalry was so poorly developed? The impression caused was "Goku cried, Broly couldn't sleep", and that can (CAN) be just a joke, but a lot of people around the internet says it, even close friends of mine
Also, Broly saying "Kakarot", being very angry just to be next him... Why did he knew his name? Why did he knew he was Kakarot? Don't you think that's something that proves my "incomplete plot" point? They were just newborns back then
I always assumed he knew because his father told him. Both infants were born on the same day, which seemed like a big thing. The plot wouldn't have been served any better by adding more running time, just greater focus.
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 22, 2016 4:35 am

Super Sonic wrote:Something also about Broly is what surprises some folks is it being one of Vic Mignogna's early roles. (Kuririn Fan, he's a well known voice actor). Lot of folks were surprised to learn that it was him, as it's rather different from many of his roles.
What? I know who he is, why did you mention me?
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by saiyanvegetable » Sun May 22, 2016 1:24 pm

Don't know why Broly gets so much hate while Janemba is adored here. The only good thing about Janemba is that he looks cool, there is literally nothing else to him.

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by 90sDBZ » Sun May 22, 2016 2:05 pm

I think he's awesome in movie 8 and okay in movie 10. I've seen a lot of people comment here that he's just a mindless wrecking ball of a character, which I think is somewhat unfair. In movie 8 he actually had an extremely dark and twisted personality, like when he blew up that planet and taunted its former occupants. The way he purposely went after Gohan to make Goku suffer was also really sadistic and evil, and his line to Piccolo "What do expect from a true freak!" pretty much further confirmed his insanity.

In movie 8 he actually spoke in complete sentences and took pleasure in what he was doing. It wasn't until movie 10 that he descended into mindlessly screaming "Kakarot!" and nothing else. I've noticed that the videogames tend to play up this version of him rather than his more intelligent movie 8 self, which probably explains why he's remembered more that way.

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 22, 2016 2:55 pm

He says: "A freak? No, i'm the devil."
So. Fucking. Badass.

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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by sintzu » Sun May 22, 2016 3:39 pm

saiyanvegetable wrote:Don't know why Broly gets so much hate while Janemba is adored here. The only good thing about Janemba is that he looks cool, there is literally nothing else to him.
They're both very similar, they have badass designs, little to no personality and they just like to destroy things.

The reason I think Broly gets hated on while Janemba doesn't is because of how he's always in everyone's face, he has 3 movies, he's been in every game starting from Budokai 3 and his fans think he's the strongest character in fiction.
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Re: Why is Broly popular?

Post by Kanassa » Sun May 22, 2016 5:32 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:He says: "A freak? No, i'm the devil."
So. Fucking. Badass.
Meh, the line is actually rather bland. I find myself more confused. How the hell does Broly know what the Devil is?
They're both very similar, they have badass designs, little to no personality and they just like to destroy things.

The reason I think Broly gets hated on while Janemba doesn't is because of how he's always in everyone's face, he has 3 movies, he's been in every game starting from Budokai 3 and his fans think he's the strongest character in fiction.
Yeah, I like Jenemba on his design and fights alone (I would never call him a good character, but I always want him in the games. In most fighting games the movst important things about the characters are their design and move set, not personality or backstory). But he's never really that prominent in the fandom, nor is he a pushed advertisement; he's a cool addition. Plus, while people do hold movie 12 up as one of the best, it's almost always said because of Gogeta, not Jenemba.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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