This franchise has become a joke now

[buutenks]

I never understand how someone can hate an anime. I understand not being interested, but hate? Hate is a powerful word.

I like Super, i find it funny and the fights are entertaining. I simply view it and enjoy it. Not compare every minute with Z. Just like how i dont compare DB with Z.

I am glad, its not always serious like Z.

Plus, its doing well in Japan, so it must be good.

[ABED]

Well the series targets to please as many people as possible and that's what seems to please people.

Of course BoG did better because of Super Saiyan God. That's why it as included, it was a big marketing tool that's gets people talking and raises interest in the movie.

Whether it made the movie a little more or a lot more money who knows but it certainly helped it make more money just like how Resurrection F wouldn't have made as much money if the final battle had been between SSJ Goku and Final Form Frieza.

First, you assume that, and SSG wasn't included because it would do better. There's no way they could know before they released the movie. And where are you getting these ideas about how much the money would or wouldn't have made had it not included certain elements?

[Bullza]

I'm not assuming anything, Toei aren't stupid they knew perfectly well that by including Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue and Golden Frieza into those movies that it was going to get more fans to go and pay more to see it.

The movies would never have done as well without those forms just like they wouldn't have done as well if Toriyama hadn't been involved.

That's just common sense.

[ABED]

I'm not assuming anything, Toei aren't stupid they knew perfectly well that by including Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue and Golden Frieza into those movies that it was going to get more fans to go and pay more to see it.

The movies would never have done as well without those forms just like they wouldn't have done as well if Toriyama hadn't been involved.

That's just common sense.

No one said they were stupid, but no one in the film business knows anything. You can't know Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan Blue will get people into theaters, especially not before the fact. How is ANY of this common sense?

I don't think it's a leap to think that the big reason those films did well was because of the limited theatrical release and DBZ hadn't released a new theatrical length film in years.

[coola]

I think Super should've been released twice a month instead of once a week cause that would've helped avoid some of its production problems.

Super will more than likely be over 100 episodes so I'm very interested in knowing what it'll be like when it reaches that and when it's eventually over.

I'm afraid it wouldn't help if production didn't start much earlier, first 2 seasons of Sailor Moon Crystal aired biweekly (sometimes three) and animation was still wonky, and biweekly schedule made lots of fans burn-out and angry, not only they had to wait 2-3 weeks, only to see this

[Bullza]

Of course they knew, why else would they bother? Introducing new forms gets people talking, look at all the speculation on what Super Saiyan God and Golden Frieza were going to look like and all the fan art drawings that were done before they were revealed. When they showed off Golden Frieza it even made the news on IGN.

New forms give way to more speculation and discussion which leads to more interest in the movie which allows it to make more money.

It's obviously not the only reason they did well but it is one of the more significant reasons.

Even now with Super Saiyan Rose about to be introduced I've never seen a NEP for Super get as many views on YouTube as it's been getting. One video had over half a million views before it was taken down. People eat this stuff up.

[ABED]

Of course they knew, why else would they bother? Introducing new forms gets people talking, look at all the speculation on what Super Saiyan God and Golden Frieza were going to look like and all the fan art drawings that were done before they were revealed. When they showed off Golden Frieza it even made the news on IGN.

New forms give way to more speculation and discussion which leads to more interest in the movie which allows it to make more money.

It's obviously not the only reason they did well but it is one of the more significant reasons.

Even now with Super Saiyan Rose about to be introduced I've never seen a NEP for Super get as many views on YouTube as it's been getting. One video had over half a million views before it was taken down. People eat this stuff up.

How could they just know? The reason they did it wasn't because they had some mystical insight. They THOUGHT it might be a good idea. Sure, transformations get people talking, but enough to pay for a ticket? You don't know. All that speculation and fan art is free. Getting people into a theater isn't. Youtube views don't lead to more money! It's free.

Again, I quote the great William Goldman, "Nobody in Hollywood knows anything."

[Cetra]

I think instead of the word "know" saying "it was a very good assumption as it was safe enough" is more appropriate.

[ABED]

I think instead of the word "know" saying "it was a very good assumption as it was safe enough" is more appropriate.

Fine, but that wasn't the only thing the movie had going for it. Revival of F on the other hand was purely about nostalgia. I don't think the transformations is really what got people to pay to see it. Freeza's the most popular villain in the franchise's history. And even assuming I'm wrong, if the way to get people into theaters for every new movie is a new transformation, is it worth it for the story? At some point, it has to stop paying off financially. It's stopped paying off storywise years ago.

[Bullza]

How could they NOT know? It's a huge part of the series that people love. They shoved in Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Broly into Raging Blast for the same reason. It's a fanbase that for years have created their own fanmade Super Saiyan forms so of course it sells.

Toei wouldn't need to have mystical insight to know that by giving Goku a brand new never before seen Super Saiyan form in a movie that it would help that movie make more money. Why else would they possibly introduce Super Saiyan Blue? They'd only just introduced Super Saiyan God and that form at least had something to do with the plot of the movie.

They could have easily have just had Super Saiyan God in Resurrection F but they didn't because people had already seen it and so they gave us another new form just for marketing purposes.

So yeah people would absolutely pay money to see these things.

[ABED]

How could they NOT know? It's a huge part of the series that people love. They shoved in Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Broly into Raging Blast for the same reason. It's a fanbase that for years have created their own fanmade Super Saiyan forms so of course it sells.

Toei wouldn't need to have mystical insight to know that by giving Goku a brand new never before seen Super Saiyan form in a movie that it would help that movie make more money. Why else would they possibly introduce Super Saiyan Blue? They'd only just introduced Super Saiyan God and that form at least had something to do with the plot of the movie.

They could have easily have just had Super Saiyan God in Resurrection F but they didn't because people had already seen it and so they gave us another new form just for marketing purposes.

So yeah people would absolutely pay money to see these things.

How could they know? It's not like the series hasn't had peaks and valleys of popularity. Why would they introduce these forms? Simply, they THINK it might lead to more money. They THOUGHT Super Saiyan Blue might lead to more revenue. They don't know it. They also don't know if people will show up to the movie regardless. It's all just a guess because NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING. How do you know people will pay to see another new form? If 10 movies down the road we have 10 new forms are you claiming that it will keep paying off? Assuming it's true, that makes me sad. At that point, people are paying for a damn paint job.

[Bullza]

If they thought that at this point in the franchises lifespan that introducing Super Saiyan Blue into the movie might allow it to make more money then that means it's something that in the past has worked before.

Whether that be with Super Saiyan God, Super Gogeta or even the False Super Saiyan.

And it's not just about their being a new form and people going to see it because of that. The news of it spreads awareness, like I said it made the news on IGN because of it. There were memes of Golden Frieza looking like an Oscar or a player from the Lakers, that made the rounds on World Star Hip Hop and other websites which again spreads awareness. The more people aware of the movie the more it will make money.

Would it keep working every time? Yeah it probably would. Maybe not to the same extent but it will only increase the chances of that movie being more successful and never decrease the chances.

How many times have characters transformed in this show already? It's not stopped all the hype for seeing Super Saiyan Rose though. Look at how many videos were made with hundreds of thousands of views just because Toriyama implied something that could refer to Super Saiyan White.

[TheMikado]

How could they NOT know? It's a huge part of the series that people love. They shoved in Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Broly into Raging Blast for the same reason. It's a fanbase that for years have created their own fanmade Super Saiyan forms so of course it sells.

Toei wouldn't need to have mystical insight to know that by giving Goku a brand new never before seen Super Saiyan form in a movie that it would help that movie make more money. Why else would they possibly introduce Super Saiyan Blue? They'd only just introduced Super Saiyan God and that form at least had something to do with the plot of the movie.

They could have easily have just had Super Saiyan God in Resurrection F but they didn't because people had already seen it and so they gave us another new form just for marketing purposes.

So yeah people would absolutely pay money to see these things.

How could they know? It's not like the series hasn't had peaks and valleys of popularity. Why would they introduce these forms? Simply, they THINK it might lead to more money. They THOUGHT Super Saiyan Blue might lead to more revenue. They don't know it. They also don't know if people will show up to the movie regardless. It's all just a guess because NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING. How do you know people will pay to see another new form? If 10 movies down the road we have 10 new forms are you claiming that it will keep paying off? Assuming it's true, that makes me sad. At that point, people are paying for a damn paint job.

Your kidding right???????!!!!!!

They literally have decades of ratings and statistics to go off of!

Highest rated episodes?
Transformations
Most viewed YouTube?
Transformations
Most purchased episodes from funimation/DVD
Transformations

Every time a new transformation is announced internet traffic spikes.

Its literally NOT possible for them to not know transformations sell unless they literally have the worst marketing and executive team in world.

[GodKaio-Ken]

How could they NOT know? It's a huge part of the series that people love. They shoved in Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Broly into Raging Blast for the same reason. It's a fanbase that for years have created their own fanmade Super Saiyan forms so of course it sells.

Toei wouldn't need to have mystical insight to know that by giving Goku a brand new never before seen Super Saiyan form in a movie that it would help that movie make more money. Why else would they possibly introduce Super Saiyan Blue? They'd only just introduced Super Saiyan God and that form at least had something to do with the plot of the movie.

They could have easily have just had Super Saiyan God in Resurrection F but they didn't because people had already seen it and so they gave us another new form just for marketing purposes.

So yeah people would absolutely pay money to see these things.

How could they know? It's not like the series hasn't had peaks and valleys of popularity. Why would they introduce these forms? Simply, they THINK it might lead to more money. They THOUGHT Super Saiyan Blue might lead to more revenue. They don't know it. They also don't know if people will show up to the movie regardless. It's all just a guess because NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING. How do you know people will pay to see another new form? If 10 movies down the road we have 10 new forms are you claiming that it will keep paying off? Assuming it's true, that makes me sad. At that point, people are paying for a damn paint job.

It isn't that they knew like an all powerful god. However its pretty basic logic actually and a tool used by almost every company whether it is movies or soda. Why do you think Sprite comes out with new cans? When something new is introduced into a popular brand sales generally increase.

[perucho1990]

Also, DBZ never had great animation, had better directing, yes, but not better animation, its funny how some people think DBZ had Ufotable level of animation

the hell are you talking about? DBZ had better animation than that crap we saw on Super. Also, hand drawn work with ink is always nice to my eyes. a lot of new digital stuff makes characters look like plastic and seems sloppy. there have been some lazy animation here and there with Z, but it's far far far from what is on Super.

It had better directing, better choreography, but the animation was average(like OPM).

[kinisking]

Also, DBZ never had great animation, had better directing, yes, but not better animation, its funny how some people think DBZ had Ufotable level of animation

the hell are you talking about? DBZ had better animation than that crap we saw on Super. Also, hand drawn work with ink is always nice to my eyes. a lot of new digital stuff makes characters look like plastic and seems sloppy. there have been some lazy animation here and there with Z, but it's far far far from what is on Super.

It had better directing, better choreography, but the animation was average(like OPM).

Wait, what. You think One punch man's animation is average? And you think DBZ is even comparable?

[nite_jay]

Also, DBZ never had great animation, had better directing, yes, but not better animation, its funny how some people think DBZ had Ufotable level of animation

the hell are you talking about? DBZ had better animation than that crap we saw on Super. Also, hand drawn work with ink is always nice to my eyes. a lot of new digital stuff makes characters look like plastic and seems sloppy. there have been some lazy animation here and there with Z, but it's far far far from what is on Super.

It had better directing, better choreography, but the animation was average(like OPM).

Opm really had all 3 of those, like in almost every episode... DB/Z mostly just had good directing and storyboarding, so even if it's not really well animated it's still intersting enough to watch.

[sintzu]

I'm afraid it wouldn't help if production didn't start much earlier, first 2 seasons of Sailor Moon Crystal aired biweekly (sometimes three) and animation was still wonky, and biweekly schedule made lots of fans burn-out and angry, not only they had to wait 2-3 weeks, only to see this

If that's the case then Toei's staff are either incompetent, don't care about their work and the franchises they work on or both.

[TheMikado]

I never understand how someone can hate an anime. I understand not being interested, but hate? Hate is a powerful word.

I like Super, i find it funny and the fights are entertaining. I simply view it and enjoy it. Not compare every minute with Z. Just like how i dont compare DB with Z.

I am glad, its not always serious like Z.

Plus, its doing well in Japan, so it must be good.

I hate Super's anime, but I feel like its because its dumbed down to the point where it almost actively insults the audience intelligence.
Oh Rageta is 10% Beerus but SSB x KK x10 is still below him... don't worry they're either dumb kids or dumb fan boys and wont care or notice because they will eat up anything we make.

Its not necessarily the content but the production quality, writing, etc. feels like an active insult to the audience.

[kinisking]

I never understand how someone can hate an anime. I understand not being interested, but hate? Hate is a powerful word.

I like Super, i find it funny and the fights are entertaining. I simply view it and enjoy it. Not compare every minute with Z. Just like how i dont compare DB with Z.

I am glad, its not always serious like Z.

Plus, its doing well in Japan, so it must be good.

I hate Super's anime, but I feel like its because its dumbed down to the point where it almost actively insults the audience intelligence.
Oh Rageta is 10% Beerus but SSB x KK x10 is still below him... don't worry they're either dumb kids or dumb fan boys and wont care or notice because they will eat up anything we make.

Its not necessarily the content but the production quality, writing, etc. feels like an active insult to the audience.

Or maybe Beerus was lying just like the time he said he was going at 100%...