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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:54 pm

Yes, I know, everyone hates FUNi's characterization of Goku in their original dub. It's unique to me. It doesn't feel like Superman at all. Being someone who doesn't believe everything Mr. Toriyama says, I disagree with his "superhero" statement.
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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:54 pm

"Japanese publisher Shueisha announced during a "new publications project presentation" in Tokyo on Wednesday that it had created a new department called the "Dragon Ball Room" in June that focuses specifically on Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball property. "
"The department is working to provide new ideas for content for Dragon Ball, and to optimize and expand the brand. Iyoku commented that the department is 'only thinking about Dragon Ball.'"


I have to wonder if this is going to eventually lead into a weekly manga, and if that's the case I wonder what's going to happen with the anime. Maybe Toriyama will provide an outline or two that Toei can stretch over a year to allow a weekly manga to build up chapters and then start an anime based on that Super "sequel" manga.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:54 pm

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote: I absolutely cannot get behind this at all.
You mean, get behind what I'm saying? Or the post I was quoting?
Oh the post you quoted! I have no qualms with what your saying but I agree I can't behind the notion of FUNi changing Goku. Which would be very hard since most of the time everyone is reacting off of Goku's stupidity and then your going to change that and then it's going to be like the old days.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:56 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I can't behind the notion of FUNi changing Goku. Which would be very hard since most of the time everyone is reacting off of Goku's stupidity and then your going to change that and then it's going to be like the old days.
I think they can be faithful while still tinkering with his personality. Even so much as changing the tone of his lines would be fine.
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Post by Bansho64 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:57 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote: Oh the post you quoted! I have no qualms with what your saying but I agree I can't behind the notion of FUNi changing Goku. Which would be very hard since most of the time everyone is reacting off of Goku's stupidity and then your going to change that and then it's going to be like the old days.
Oh ok, I agree :D I'd even take his personality right now, rather than have something like that happen. We don't need something like...*shudders*... this.
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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:00 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote: Infact thinking about it this thing was set up in June if that had any ramifications for Super it likely would have been known by now. Fujitv specifically created a new time slot and made this new show Super's lead in. I doubt they'd do that if Super was gonna end or halt soon.
It could also be advance planning from their side. I don't know, it has to be something this room must have been created for and I'm leaning towards what Jacob said, a new animated series project . Only time will tell.

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Post by Chuquita » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:04 pm

Episode 43 was heartbreaking. I'd want Gokû to retire on his own terms, not because he was injured.

I don't watch the dub anymore, but I'd still want Funi to be faithful to the original script.

Honestly I still want another movie more than a replacement series.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:06 pm

Oh, and to be clear, I don't aim towards FUNimation's Goku in my fanfic. :P
Chuquita wrote:Honestly I still want another movie more than a replacement series.
Same here, though it's because I enjoy Super a great deal. A new movie could potentially introduce us to the other 10 Gods of Destruction. Well, at least one or two of them.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:14 pm

So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Chuquita » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:15 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Oh, and to be clear, I don't aim towards FUNimation's Goku in my fanfic. :P
Chuquita wrote:Honestly I still want another movie more than a replacement series.
Same here, though it's because I enjoy Super a great deal. A new movie could potentially introduce us to the other 10 Gods of Destruction. Well, at least one or two of them.
The movies also force them to streamline plot and spend more time in theory on animation.

I'm so curious about if the other destruction gods are also cats or not. (Another thing I'd probably never learn if they stopped Super.)
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
Why do you think that? There's a new studio that, in itself, doesn't have much to do with Toriyama. There's no reason he should stop sending outlines.
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Post by TheMikado » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:18 pm

So do we have any idea if this means Toriyama is out?
I theorized in another thread that Toriyamas style and structure would most likely make the next arc after Future Trunks his final one he personally puts together.

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Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:21 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
Toriyama was just joking because there is a whole department of Shueisha focused on Dragon Ball. Depending on the staff though they might help him out with designing characters though, as well as fleshing out his ideas.

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Post by Doctor. » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:23 pm

The dignity and integrity of this franchise is LONG gone. At this point, I'm happy this is happening. New writers, new ideas. Even if everything ends up as garbage, garbage isn't new to Dragon Ball, and you can always salvage something.

It also provides a door for fans like myself who have always dreamed to write or help write something for DB.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:23 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
Why do you think that? There's a new studio that, in itself, doesn't have much to do with Toriyama. There's no reason he should stop sending outlines.
Because of this:
The department is working to provide new ideas for content for Dragon Ball, and to optimize and expand the brand. Iyoku commented that the department is "only thinking about Dragon Ball."
Dragon Ball creator Toriyama commented on the new department, saying that the team was one he could put his trust in. He joked, "It's really great that I don't have to do anything now."
Sounds like with what happened with Star Wars, George Lucas was writing the main canon stories (Episodes I-VI, The Clone Wars), but now the Story Group is responsible for the canon stories. Here, Toriyama seems to be replaced with the "Dragon Ball Room".
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
Toriyama was just joking because there is a whole department of Shueisha focused on Dragon Ball. Depending on the staff though they might help him out with designing characters though, as well as fleshing out his ideas.
I guess we'll have to wait & see this "Dragon Ball Room's" exact role.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:25 pm

TheMikado wrote:So do we have any idea if this means Toriyama is out?
I theorized in another thread that Toriyamas style and structure would most likely make the next arc after Future Trunks his final one he personally puts together.
Toriyama did say although jokingly that he trusts the people working in this room and wouldn't have to do anything. It's all speculation as of now cause it's impossible to confirm.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:28 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
Why do you think that? There's a new studio that, in itself, doesn't have much to do with Toriyama. There's no reason he should stop sending outlines.
Because of this:
The department is working to provide new ideas for content for Dragon Ball, and to optimize and expand the brand. Iyoku commented that the department is "only thinking about Dragon Ball."
Dragon Ball creator Toriyama commented on the new department, saying that the team was one he could put his trust in. He joked, "It's really great that I don't have to do anything now."
Sounds like with what happened with Star Wars, George Lucas was writing the main canon stories (Episodes I-VI, The Clone Wars), but now the Story Group is responsible for the canon stories. Here, Toriyama seems to be replaced with the "Dragon Ball Room".
ArchedThunder wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Toriyama will no longer write story outlines for Super now?
Toriyama was just joking because there is a whole department of Shueisha focused on Dragon Ball. Depending on the staff though they might help him out with designing characters though, as well as fleshing out his ideas.
I guess we'll have to wait & see this "Dragon Ball Room's" exact role.
"It's great that I don't have to do anything"
It's a joke dude. The Dragon Ball Room will probably come up with spin off stories on their own and maybe help with writing the games, but for the main series they are likely just going to be fleshing out Toriyama's outlines and maybe help him design and create characters. If Toriyama was ending his involvement with Super they wouldn't announce it by him saying "It's great that I don't have to do anything!", that's just his sense of humor.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:28 pm

Chuquita wrote:The movies also force them to streamline plot and spend more time in theory on animation.

I'm so curious about if the other destruction gods are also cats or not. (Another thing I'd probably never learn if they stopped Super.)
If we get 2D animation as good as Resurrection 'F', without all the 3D... :shock:

I really hope they aren't. Not because I'd think it's unoriginal (although I would), but more because I'd like to see what new Races they could potentially introduce.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:29 pm

Doctor. wrote:The dignity and integrity of this franchise is LONG gone. At this point, I'm happy this is happening. New writers, new ideas. Even if everything ends up as garbage, garbage isn't new to Dragon Ball, and you can always salvage something.

It also provides a door for fans like myself who have always dreamed to write or help write something for DB.
Well you're certainly right about lots of garbage coming out of this, best case scenario for this is that it ends up like the new SW universe: the main entries will remain thoroughly shit and the side projects are where the good stuff happens.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:32 pm

Again, let's wait & see how much he was joking. Do we know for a fact that he was joking, or did ANN interpret his words as a joke?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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