ABED wrote:
That has nothing to do with being professional. And what is a neutral accent - mid-Atlantic? What words does Mr. Satan say that scream "Southern!" to you?
I'm not sure what you mean by "has nothing to do with being professional".
Their voices are going on a product that is intended for mass consumption across multiple English speaking countries. Having actors standardise or "clean up" their accent somewhat to remove hints of a distinct regional pronounciation, other than say; a general North American accent, which is used by most studios in Hollywood for example (what I think of as "neutral" - in a global sense) is definitely something that studios will encourage, especially if the in-universe world that the product is set in (such as DB) has no clear distinction on where it's set (thus the need to create a standard baseline). This isn't just true for American produced media either, British media that's made for global audiences also use a more standard British accent that would be seen as "posh" in most other parts of the country. We know that Canadian actors are also taught to alter their pronunciation in order to make themselves more palatable to American audiences. They do this by pronouncing things in a more general North American way as opposed to a Canadian way, which again, comes back to what I'm talking about. Now before anyone gets confused and jumps on me by saying "what about (insert exception here)" I get it, I know that there are stereotypical characters, villains and plenty of other examples of media breaking this rule, but that's not the point of what I'm talking about here.
As far as I'm aware the Mid-Atlantic accent is a pretty old fashioned way of speaking that doesn't really exist anymore in mainstream productions, but if you understand the concept of why that was once used so often in old film and radio then you should be able to see what I'm talking about here.
Rager's Satan doesn't need to sound like
Foghorn Leghorn to sound southern, there's more than one accent that most people across the world associate with being southern American. Super_Divine_Genki summed it up pretty well by describing it as a cowboy or old western speech, he very much falls into that type of pronounciation and I don't see how you can't hear it.
This video describes something called "ay-ungliding" which I think applies to Rager's Satan a lot of the time. Unlike some of the previous examples in that video he does not drop his Rs (like Foghorn) but instead he has heavy elongated R sounds (kinda like a pirate saying "Arrr" but with a heavy American accent, so more like "Aurr"), that coupled with the ay-ungliding thing that they talk about all factor into him sounding distinctly more southern or "cowboy".
Point is, unless a character in an American production is stereotyped in that way (usually for the way they look or their backstory), they typically don't have an accent like that. Once again, the general standard for most characters is usually something that closer resembles a plain North American accent, which is what the other two Satan actors use.
Asura wrote:
So the topic of Ocean is exhausted but shitting on Funi for years and years on end to this day is still perfectly cool? Even though they were both shit? I dunno why people talk about Ocean as if it has god-like voice actors or something when they're just as bland, ridiculous sounding, and mostly untalented (at the time) as the Funi dub was. All the voice actors in both dubs basically sounded like they had no idea what the series was about or what the hell they were doing. You also make it sound like everyone was hating on the Ocean dub until one day suddenly everyone just started praising it because talking about it negatively had become "exhausting". ...
Ocean is the same as early Funi in that they're both bad products. Why anyone acts like one is acceptable and not the other is beyond my comprehension, and like I said I have only ever seen it here. Every other website or social media outlet I know of that isn't full of nostalgia idiots praising early Funi as the greatest dub ever acknowledges that they're both equally terrible. It seems as if liking the Ocean dub makes you real hip and cool (since it's rather underground compared to everything else now) and hating on Funi is just the popular thing these days.
What world are you living in? The Ocean dubs have been criticised for years and still continue to be ripped apart every time they're brought up in discussion. This is clearly evident, even on this forum:
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Hell, even the Ocean Kai thread is littered with negative opinions from people over the years relating to their past dubs. To say with a straight face that people treat the Ocean dub as acceptable while not the Funi dub is disingenuous at best and flat out delusional at worst. The Funimation Z dub has never been a victim in anything and to try and argue that point is frankly just laughable.
Something we can both agree on is that outside of this forum, there is far less Ocean love, but to say that that's because this forum is overly nostalgic is not true at all, it's the exact opposite. This forum is a refuge for English speaking fans of the subtitled version first and foremost, the vast majority of the people on "every other website or social media outlet" are the casual scrubs who only watched (or remember) the Funi dub from TV, video games and DVDs and who want Faulconer BGM over any other score. Those are the people acting on impulse gut reactions (such as most of the the Youtube communities for instance), they're the ones that hear a different dub and immediately think "Ew, this isn't what I'm used to, I dislike this!" whilst on this forum there tends to be actual rational and unbiased discussion from fans of the Japanese version, which is why the Kai dub is so popular here. If they're fans of the Japanese version, naturally they're not going to favour either Funimation or Ocean Z because neither of those products were intended to be faithful to the original (aside from the Pioneer films), what they can appreciate in those old dubs are some of the actors and performances, but since Funi's in-house cast were green as grass (with actors like Schemmel going on record and stating that DBZ "was my first acting audition" and Sabat being reused in countless roles to save money), it's not hard to see why the acting doesn't hold up to much scrutiny. With actors of that calibur being compared to their later Kai dub, it's even more apparent why much of the old dub acting was bad or poorly directed.
MR.Mark wrote:
Then Ironically Ocean went on through the the Cell-Buu arcs with a dub that was using Funi's scripts. Also imitated some of Funi's cast, and those that didn't had voices so terrible it gave even Funi's worst voices a run for it's money. Professionals or not, a rushed badly directed dub is a rushed badly directed dub.
I dare you to try and prove this. This was a fan created rumour based on speculation and wishful thinking, nothing more.
