Super Episode 103 (13 August 2017)

[HybridSaiyan]

Goku flat out said he was studying the girls' fighting style.

Why ? he's arguably the smartest fighter on the field, what could he learn from her ?

Aspects of her Yacchaina Ken, probably. There are things in her fighting style that would benefit him if he incorporated them into his.
Or he's doing it out of curiosity or his love for martial arts.

He's taking people out in one hit because his power is far above them. The same should be happening in this tournament, don't you think? As someone titled on a topic, the stakes couldn't be any higher so he shouldn't be enjoying himself to this degree.

Well that's just the type of guy he is, Goku's always enjoyed high stakes, because it gives him the best fights, as for this "fodder need to die instantly" point, I don't think they should be wasting characters from the top 10 of each universe like that, without at least displaying what makes them eligible for the tournament.

He does enjoy the high stakes of an intense battle but he knows when enough is enough.

[Basako]

He is saving stamina, he totally has to save some for Jiren.

Yet he used SsjB against U9.

Yeah, I agree with you on that, he shouldn't have used the blue with the doggies. But, put it this way, he realized that he was using too much stamina and decided to save it. No need to keep doing the same mistake. Also, he is learning from his opponents, as he said.

[HybridSaiyan]

He is saving stamina, he totally has to save some for Jiren.

Yet he used SsjB against U9.

Yeah, I agree with you on that, he shouldn't have used the blue with the doggies. But, put it this way, he realized that he was using too much stamina and decided to save it. No need to keep doing the same mistake. Also, he is learning from his opponents, as he said.

Learn what ? lmao. He fought against Frieza, Cell and Buu which gave him the toughest challenges. This fodder magical girl was only shooting Ki blasts. xD

[MajinMan]

Yet he used SsjB against U9.

Yeah, I agree with you on that, he shouldn't have used the blue with the doggies. But, put it this way, he realized that he was using too much stamina and decided to save it. No need to keep doing the same mistake. Also, he is learning from his opponents, as he said.

Learn what ? lmao. He fought against Frieza, Cell and Buu which gave him the toughest challenges. This fodder magical girl was only shooting Ki blasts. xD

Learn her fighting style. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? Is it because they didn't take 5 minutes to explain in specific detail why Goku does everything he does? He's a martial artist, this is his playground. He likes seeing all these "fodder, trash, jobbers" and their unique fighting styles.

[Basako]

Yet he used SsjB against U9.

Yeah, I agree with you on that, he shouldn't have used the blue with the doggies. But, put it this way, he realized that he was using too much stamina and decided to save it. No need to keep doing the same mistake. Also, he is learning from his opponents, as he said.

Learn what ? lmao. He fought against Frieza, Cell and Buu which gave him the toughest challenges. This fodder magical girl was only shooting Ki blasts. xD

Her fighting style, moving around avoiding her multiple attacks and thinking about a way of counterattacking her with her own attacks, which he totally does in the end. I like to see him not trusting his superior power for once, staying in base and having some kind of challenge.

[sintzu]

Learn her fighting style. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend?

Because it's nothing he already didn't know. He's never seen anyone shoot countless Ki blasts ? everyone in DB does that.

[HybridSaiyan]

Yeah, I agree with you on that, he shouldn't have used the blue with the doggies. But, put it this way, he realized that he was using too much stamina and decided to save it. No need to keep doing the same mistake. Also, he is learning from his opponents, as he said.

Learn what ? lmao. He fought against Frieza, Cell and Buu which gave him the toughest challenges. This fodder magical girl was only shooting Ki blasts. xD

Learn her fighting style. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? Is it because they didn't take 5 minutes to explain in specific detail why Goku does everything he does? He's a martial artist, this is his playground. He likes seeing all these "fodder, trash, jobbers" and their unique fighting styles.

There was no fighting style though? Is shooting ki blasts considered a fighting style these days? Goku has came up against that in the past, and easily found a way around it. I was watching the latest Super dubbed episode, and it was when Goku and Vegeta were training in those heavy suits that are apparently much heavier than gravity.

His base form at this point should make quick work of all the trash fodder jobbers.

[sintzu]

I was watching the latest Super dubbed episode, and it was when Goku and Vegeta were training in those heavy suits that are apparently much heavier than gravity.

His base form at this point should make quick work of all the trash fodder jobbers.

They're not thinking about logic or how things line up with previous parts, they just want to extend the episode count at any cost.

[precita]

Are people seriously still complaining about Goku not blasting all the weaker characters out of the tournament? You guys have been doing this with every single episode.

Not only would that make the tournament dull as hell, but seeing Goku knock everyone out in one blast of power...what the hell kind of writing is that?

[HybridSaiyan]

I was watching the latest Super dubbed episode, and it was when Goku and Vegeta were training in those heavy suits that are apparently much heavier than gravity.

His base form at this point should make quick work of all the trash fodder jobbers.

They're not thinking about logic or how things line up with previous parts, they just want to extend the episode count at any cost.

Yeah, they're discarding all the training Goku and Vegeta have done In Super as well. Didn't they also take a few more trips into the HBTC before this arc?
In Z's logic, their base forms must be up there at the highest possible level.

More episodes mean more money from DVD/Blu ray sales? They know fans are going to buy it lol.

[Basako]

Learn what ? lmao. He fought against Frieza, Cell and Buu which gave him the toughest challenges. This fodder magical girl was only shooting Ki blasts. xD

Learn her fighting style. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? Is it because they didn't take 5 minutes to explain in specific detail why Goku does everything he does? He's a martial artist, this is his playground. He likes seeing all these "fodder, trash, jobbers" and their unique fighting styles.

There was no fighting style though? Is shooting ki blasts considered a fighting style these days? Goku has came up against that in the past, and easily found a way around it. I was watching the latest Super dubbed episode, and it was when Goku and Vegeta were training in those heavy suits that are apparently much heavier than gravity.

His base form at this point should make quick work of all the trash fodder jobbers.

It was the style or strategy she was using that moment, not everyone uses Ki blasts that way, most times there is less control involved, like you said, just throwing, but this was not the case. Goku thought a way of using her strategy against her. He is challenging his instincts, improving his battle strategies and doing it in his weakest state, I don't see what's bad about this, in fact, it's good.

Yeah, they're discarding all the training Goku and Vegeta have done In Super as well. Didn't they also take a few more trips into the HBTC before this arc?
In Z's logic, their base forms must be up there at the highest possible level.

More episodes mean more money from DVD/Blu ray sales? They know fans are going to buy it lol.

They are not discarding anything, they are adding more. More battle experience, Goku and Vegeta have trained enough together, it's good for both of them to fight against different people that think in different ways.

I even think they could have done more episodes with all this material and all the things they are not showing.

[sintzu]

More episodes mean more money from DVD/Blu ray sales? They know fans are going to buy it lol.

They're not getting a $ out of me. I'll always support the manga though cause even if the writing isn't the best, you can be sure the art will more than make up for it.

[HybridSaiyan]

Learn her fighting style. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? Is it because they didn't take 5 minutes to explain in specific detail why Goku does everything he does? He's a martial artist, this is his playground. He likes seeing all these "fodder, trash, jobbers" and their unique fighting styles.

There was no fighting style though? Is shooting ki blasts considered a fighting style these days? Goku has came up against that in the past, and easily found a way around it. I was watching the latest Super dubbed episode, and it was when Goku and Vegeta were training in those heavy suits that are apparently much heavier than gravity.

His base form at this point should make quick work of all the trash fodder jobbers.

It was the style or strategy she was using that moment, not everyone uses Ki blasts that way, most times there is less control involved, like you said, just throwing, but this was not the case. Goku thought a way of using her strategy against her. He is challenging his instincts, improving his battle strategies and doing it in his weakest state, I don't see what's bad about this, in fact, it's good.

But he could've easily did so. He knows his instant transmission and how it works, heck he used it against Cell. Why not just use it from the start and be done with. The more he plays around, the more stamina he burns?

Another thing, those ki blasts shouldn't even have any effect on him even if they did hit.

[Vegeta-Sama]

Are people seriously still complaining about Goku not blasting all the weaker characters out of the tournament? You guys have been doing this with every single episode.

Not only would that make the tournament dull as hell, but seeing Goku knock everyone out in one blast of power...what the hell kind of writing is that?

Goku doesnt need 5+ minutes every episode hogging spotlight. But apparently allmighty Goku seems untouchable here.
Give that fight against Rosie a fighter from U3 or U4 instead "I let my guard down on purpose Kakarotto" who has far enough screentime.

[HybridSaiyan]

More episodes mean more money from DVD/Blu ray sales? They know fans are going to buy it lol.

They're not getting a $ out of me. I'll always support the manga though cause even if the writing isn't the best, you can be sure the art will more than make up for it.

Big fan of the manga myself. Toei should've made Super once Toyotaro finished the manga and followed his storyboards.

[Basako]

But he could've easily did so. He knows his instant transmission and how it works, heck he used it against Cell. Why not just use it from the start and be done with. The more he plays around, the more stamina he burns?

Another thing, those ki blasts shouldn't even have any effect on him even if they did hit.

He won by using his head, challenging himself. He says why, he was learning from her, or in a way of winning her in base, in other words.

Why her Ki blasts can't have any effect in Goku base? Just because you say so? Didn't it occur to you that she may not be weak? She was selected for this tournament for a reason.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Pretty nice episode for me personally.

I'm no negative nancy, so I really don't let these niggling issues people bring up bring me down.

Anyways, onto the episode itself!

The beginning once again parodies many tried-and-true trends of the magical girl genre, and 17 decides that he kind of likes it and decides to play along. Not so stoic now, are we, 17? Also some nice strategic play on the part of Universe 7 here.

Then we move on to Gohan and Piccolo. Some creative use of tactics there, and the fight with Obuni has set in stone the basic way in which fights occur now: regardless of any individual power levels, the tried-and-true martial arts methodology of "don't get hit, keep a bead on your opponent's movements, get in hits when possible" is the name of the game.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Comments on this episode:

- I just thought of something - what will happen if the arena is completely destroyed before the tournament is over?
- Since so many of the fighters in the tournament were fodder, I was kind of hoping for Ribrianne to be really powerful, like on a level comparable to Goku, Vegeta, and Hit, not just equal to 17. Then again, 17 did fight with SSJB Goku so maybe she could still pose a challenge to them.
- Goku could just transform... I mean it's not like using ordinary SSJ will take up a lot of power or stamina
- You know, the Hellzone Grenade type move loses a lot of its cool factor when everyone is doing it...
- So Goku couldn't have transformed, put up a shield, teleported away, or anything there? He had to rely on 17 to save him?
- Is this the first time we've seen 17's shield actually broken?
- So the Yardrats have to do the thing with their fingers on their foreheads too? I thought that was exclusive to Goku and the Yardrats could just use it without any gestures
- So Botamo has unlimited stamina too? Was that mentioned before?
- If you will allow me to geek out for a bit and try to actually apply science and physics to Dragonball (I know, almost always a bad idea, but bear with me here), it seems like Botamo's body can absorb damage including kinetic energy, but it can't absorb momentum. That's why he can be tossed, moved, and thrown around by physical attacks, despite not taking damage from them. This theory seems to make a lot of sense. See here for a good explanation: http://www.batesville.k12.in.us/physics ... entum.html
- "Someone who would overestimate their power could never be an enemy"? What is that even supposed to mean? And doesn't that trait apply to practically every DB villain?
- I wonder if Botamo could have used his blasts to propel himself back into the arena instead of trying to attack Gohan...
- Well Universe 6 finally lost its first fighter. I expected Magetta to go first TBH.
- Jimizu is pretty strong, I was under the impression that the Universe 7 Yardrats were weak and the only thing they really had going for them was the IT technique, but I suppose the Universe 2 versions could be a much stronger race in general, or maybe Jimizu is like the equivalent of Krillin or Tenshinhan compared to an average human
- Obuni is also pretty strong, perhaps the most formidable member of the Universe 10 team. Then again all we really saw of Murichim, who was supposedly the leader and implied to be the strongest among them, was getting fodderized offssreen by Freeza.
- So I guess he's doing something similar to what Hit did when he created illusions of his ki to fool Goku?
- See what I said earlier about the Hellzone Grenade and similar moves
- Piccolo's walking stance there looked weird for a bit
- I think Gowasu is just in denial now
- That's a smart strategy that could also work on someone faster than you
- It really takes that much ki just to create those illusions? Or does he just do it inefficiently?
- How that locket wasn't destroyed by the Kamehameha I have no idea
- The family picture locket scene kind of comes off as an over-the-top way to emphasize the tragedy. Still, it does show that they're painting the Zenos' actions in a bad light, which makes me curious how they're going to eventually address that
- Any particular reason the warriors disappeared first, then the gods, then the locket? Did Zeno just decide to do them in that order or something (maybe not spotting the locket until a few seconds later)?
- Again, I would use these universe erasure incidents to take advantage of the shocked fighters and knock some out. At least Freeza and Frost should be trying that kind of tactic.
- What, is the narrator implying that survival wasn't on the line before?
- I also wonder why Quitela is so confident... his team hasn't been doing all that well so far
- I heard the spoilers about Goku using SSJG again, though if Dyspo can cause trouble for hit, just SSG shouldn't be a real danger to him. Also I'm curious as to what that other Pride Trooper's power is, some kind of energy net or something?

This was actually a really good episode IMO

[LightBing]

This was an episode full of ups and downs. The lack of imagination in some places was abysmal, Gohan pondering on the fate of his opponent and #17 getting into the role-playing saved this episode.

The way they have been shoving down our throat how Goku needs to keep his guard probably means that's how he's going down. Although they actually have been using that with almost every character, even this episode with Gohan. So maybe the writers can't think of anything else to offer struggles to the characters.

The weird part is that, this episode, I didn't even thought Goku let this guard down. He was clearly playing around with his opponent and trying to defeat her with a strategy instead of brute force. I don't understand why #17 had to step in. It was just weird all around.

Piccolo finally does something and get's a crappy fight, which was just one of his most famous attacks.

I didn't enjoy this episode that much. Shame that there wasn't more Ribrianne. Next episode seems interesting in concept, hopefully the reused animations from the last couple of ones, allows for higher quality.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Really enjoying these episodes. The moment with Gohan realizing what he's done was very well done as expected taking into account the kind of character he is. Looking forward to seeing the original god form again next week.