JazzMazz wrote:supercat wrote:JazzMazz wrote:
Personally, I can't wait for another round of Vegeta getting his ass rightfully handed to him. If Goku is only equal to Toppo, than that instantly makes him a couple dozen times better than Vegeta.
In all seriousness though, Piccolo is a better fighter than Vegeta, namely because he can actually land blows on people who are weaker than him, unlike Vegeta, who couldn't land a punch on Hit, who he was physically more powerful than, without getting knocked out(admittedly I liked Vegeta's showing in that fight, though he wasn't able to scratch Hit, his plan of attack wasn't as stupid as his plans usually were, though I feel like he should have been able to figure out Hit's ability during the fight).
Piccolo having a fight where he has to out-wit two opponents by himself is something I really wouldn't mind. If Roshi can have an episode where his a complete beast, why can't Piccolo?
Sure if you want to see some coward playing more hide and seek while running away with a petrified look on his face. Oh, after splitting off into weaker versions of himself that is. Yes, as sad as it is, both he and Tien can actually get weaker.
And who has Piccolo defeated that is significant? I don't see why people prefer to see some weakling running away using some technique that takes way too long to charge up, only to miss is a far better over a natural born fighter using a combination of powerful ki attacks while displaying high level hand to hand combat abilities. And no, I doubt Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, or Piccolo have better fighting skills than Vegeta, a born warrior with way more combat experience than them. Outside of Nappa, Jeice and Burter, who has Tien even had to chance to really fight that wasn't a weak Earthling or a weakling on the Frieza Force?
Tagoma wrecks Piccolo in a matter of seconds. Base Vegeta destroys a stronger Tagoma-Ginyu like nothing. Yeah so much for strategy there. Piccolo probably would have had a lot to learn by watching Vegeta destroy Ginyu-Tagoma if he weren't already blasted away by First Form Frieza. And by learn I mean as in training to get stronger versus training to accomplish who knows what? Because for a guy who trains all the time, he's sure made some minuscule progress.
And so much for strategy when Frost made him look like a total fool, and let's also not forget Goku showing his lack of confidence Piccolo right before that match.
From an out of universe and writing perspective, Vegeta isn't that interesting a character to write fights for. The simple reason for this being Vegeta can't win a fight against an opponent whose stronger than him, and his pride won't allow him to fight with others even if he needs it.
Weaklings or under-dogs are always far more interesting to watch than people whose main strategy is literally to job to every opponent he meets whose stronger than him. Piccolo at least has interesting techniques going for him. The flaw of these techniques only make them more interesting, as having actual downfalls raises the suspense of all the fights his in.
Vegeta doesn't have any interesting techniques besides POWA POWA POWA! Though I did like how he was fighting in the universe 6 tournament, pretty much all the fights were killed by Vegeta only needing SSB for the final fight. This leads me to asking what is so entertaining about Vegeta's fights? All the opponents his come up against in the tournament have been weaker than him, so it's nearly impossible to invest in fights we already know are won. When Vegeta does encounter more powerful opponents, though there is far more investment, we also know that Vegeta is going to inevitably lose in order to show off how powerful the new adversary is. The solution to this problem is very simple, actually give Vegeta meaningful wins that aren't super predictable. For example have him somehow fight or beat Toppo, an opponent whose stronger than him, using genuine strategy and technique instead of just giving him the win through a random power-up.
Since the previous prompt was what is so entertaining about Vegeta's fights, than lets flip that for Piccolo. Piccolo really hasn't done much this tournament, and unlike Vegeta the elimination, though rushed, didn't feel half as cheap as Vegeta's, which were against people he would consider fodder. Piccolo as a combtant, is far more versatile warrior than Vegeta, with a range of special abilities with strengths and weaknesses that give Piccolo's battles more spice than Vegeta's. Since Piccolo doesn't have transformations and limitless supply of power-ups, its far easier to put investment in Piccolo's battles because we know his not holding back a ridiculous amount of his power which could be used to effortlessy crush all his opponent. This creates something vital to make a fight entertaining, tension and suspense. Since Piccolo has this set-up as being a master strategist, it's also far less simple to predict the outcome of his battles in this tournament, since he actually does have techniques that allow him to defeat more powerful adversaries. I would say for Piccolo's fight to really hold any weight, make him(with help if the writers want), take out opponents that could be a problem for the ever-holding back big hitters of the time(for example, take out someone like Dyspo through a joint effort the androids or Roshi).
Are you getting what I'm saying.
Who has Piccolo beaten that is stronger than him? I hope we're not talking about Frost here, because clearly, Piccolo did not win that fight. In fact, after all that running away, hiding, and resorting to cheesy attacks, he still got humiliated. And who exactly has Tien beaten that was stronger than him?
So the flaws of Piccolo's techniques. As in getting weaker, looking like a coward, taking too long to charge up, but still fails usually, is interesting? I mean I get a good laugh out of it all, but I never once found getting weaker or being weak in general to be an interesting concept.
Vegeta's ki blasts are far more interesting than Special Beam Cannon in my opinion. They actually seem to have power behind them. Yes, most of Vegeta's opponents are weaker than him. That's what makes him so great. He's come so far and has done so well in what he loves so much: getting stronger and winning battles. Piccolo used to share the same passion, only to now find himself barely making any progress. His training must be ineffective. Even in DBZ, the only time he's really made good progress was when he trained with someone else. That fool should have accepted Goku's invitation to train in the RoSaT. Maybe then, he would have made actual progress and possibly might have had enough power to actually fight Frost instead of running away.
The fact that Piccolo isn't holding back power is what shows how limited and weak he is. His so-called strategies have failed more than they've worked. And until it actually works, and until he can fight without looking like a coward, I won't be able to see Piccolo as a great fighter let alone see him as a better fighter than Vegeta.
I would hate to see Piccolo teaming up with any of the Earthlings. They just don't blend well together. Even from a design standpoint, they don't look good together. Piccolo should just tag along with the Saiyans. Same goes for Krillin and Tien, they too should just pair up with one of the Saiyans. And no, Piccolo does not seem to have a place with the Androids either. Android 17 is likely SSB-tier, so he should use power and durability to win fights, not weakling tricks like Piccolo.
Ugh I can't believe Piccolo had the nerve to smile when Tien saved him and Gohan. He should have instead been upset and angry at himself that such a weakling had to save him.
