Super Episode 111 (15 October 2017)

[SonReggie]

I think he's just that fast. "He's just plain strong." I like that about Jiren. No tricks. A plain strong warrior. We haven't had that ever in this show. All the villains are too busy torturing the protagonists and letting ego get in the way, dragging things out. I find Jiren a huge breath of fresh air.

Jiren is literally doing that in the latest episode by "meditating" because the other fighters are not worth his time. He gave eye contact to a weakened Goku, knowing Goku has a potential that can threaten him, and ignored him. Jiren is probably the WORST case of ego we've seen in a while, given the stakes of this tournament. He can eliminate everyone in an instant, but decides to sit around and, dare I say, drag things out.

That's fair. It's not the same sort of ego, though. It's kind of the opposite, in fact. Jiren is not bloodlusted with his pride, which makes it far more tolerable in my view. That said, it will inevitably be his downfall. What we really need to know is WHY Jiren is so disengaged from the tournament. I suspect we will get that answer before the end, and, depending on what that answer is, it will answer a lot of these questions.

I've posted this thought elsewhere - but is relevant here, too. I am becoming more and more convinced that the personality-free obstacle that is Jiren is genetically engineered or something. Am willing to wager that he was quite strong in the first place and Belmond has transferred his power to Jiren. This could go some way toward explaining Jiren being stronger than some of the GoD's and being able to use Ultra Instinct (or something similar to it). Belmond also seems confident to the point of being absolutely convinced Jiren can't lose.

It might also explain his 'disengagement' too.

And Belmond wants to retire* so.....

*and yes, I know it was indicated that he'd chosen Toppo as a successor, but that could easily be a tactic to throw everyone off the scent.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Another solid episode. Overall a great stretch of recent episodes. No complaints. I also enjoyed the twists with 111. I entered this ep. fully expecting Hit to be completely outclassed but the opposite ended up happening. I am a fan of Hit by the way, so I wanted him to last, but the inevitable has to happen of course. These last 3 episodes have been quite a ride! Keep it up!

[Jigurashi]

Since when has it been that Goku's been disrespected out in the open like that? I love it! also Freeza saying he doesnt want to have anything to do with Jiren that he needs Goku to take Jiren out was great, he was even calm about it and gave Goku the info he needed about what happened to him.
Hit did better than Goku, he was actually close to beating Jiren, I wonder why Hit didnt just tell those 3 saiyans to kick Jiren out when he was that close to the edge.
I liked how Chanpa was mature in accepting Hit's loss, Hit went down like a badass.
Jiren's way too cocky you would have already won this whole tournament but decides to meditate instead... wtf man?
NEP I hope Freeza kicks the living hell out of Cabba and Vegeta.
PS: patiently awaits for the next Migatte no Goku'i appearance.

That moment was great all around. A major rival of Goku's that just doesn't give a fuck about him and even tells Goku he's utterly worthless to him. I don't think Goku has egret felt so insulted. Great character moment for him.

[gohan_black]

trunks goodbye theme is now associated with this fat feminist and her friends. i hate it

[mAcChaos]

We've had a few hints at Jiren's personality.

1) He's not into the whole "justice team." They have to go find him on some random planet somewhere and he never talks about justice. I bet he just happened to be super strong and Toppo convinced him it would be a way to fight good warriors rather than Jiren caring about justice.

2) He already demonstrated some dislike of Hit when Hit was fighting Dyspo, so there seems to be something he has against Assassins, or something about HIt.

3) He seems rather self-interested, only intervening when it's necessary and otherwise not wanting to be bothered by the tournament. It's kind of the opposite of Goku, who loves wading in and fighting everyone. For Jiren it seems like unless they are the best of the best then he thinks it's a chore.

[Ki Breaker]

Hit's "Ultimate" is Guldo's natural skill..

Also, Piccolo has that smile, he knows he can rock his opponent this time..

[namekiansaiyan]

Hit/Jiren was very good. I'm really curious why Ribianne is getting so much focus, is she going to get some new form or something?

Gohan/Piccolo Vs. Nameks looked interesting for the 10 seconds of it we saw.

I liked how U6 reacted to Hit's downfall. I guess next week is Cabba's.

Nah. Cabba is probably gonna last a bit longer. It's starting to look like Vegeta will save him from Frieza. Which would explain why the episode is called Vegetas Resolve. Saving a fellow Saiyan from being harassed by a teammate.

Vegeta is going to save Cabba from Monna not Frieza.

[Nickolaidas]

I think it would work wonders if a character in the show (Champa perhaps?) would comment on the fact that Hit's power was holding Jiren in place, that is, make anyone unable to move Jiren around, thus perform a ring-out. Would make his 'I have to hold him here while the others fight' seem a lot more sensible.

Other than that, solid episode.

- The way Frieza told Goku about Ultra Instinct solidifies that Frieza has big, BIG plans for Goku and the Gods. He's not here for fanservice folks, he's here to stay.

- Ribrianne losing morale only to be snapped back to shape by her friend was a good scene and made her more sympathetic and less of a gag character. When they make her less of a joke and more of a character, she's actually quite enjoyable. But it also made clear that in her current state she's no much for Vegeta/Frieza/Berserk Kale, let alone Ultra Goku/Jiren tier.

- Always nice to see multiple battles going on, even for a little while.

- So now we know why Jiren doesn't just knock everyone out. He thinks it's beneath him. He seems way too proud, but seriously, can you blame him? He beats Gods.

[namekiansaiyan]

Hit's "Ultimate" is Guldo's natural skill..

Also, Piccolo has that smile, he knows he can rock his opponent this time..

Piccolo is excited to fight just like Goku but that smile usually means he is in a good place in a fight.

We all know what he is thinking though

[spoiler]It's dinner time[/spoiler].

[Cetra]

- I smelled last week already that Freeza would give his energy to Goku
- Maybe they showed the "trapping him in a cage of time" thing just too heavily misunderstandable and it is not literally Jiren's body that is frozen but really only the time around him but if not he can be "incomprehensible" and "transcending time" as much as he want, it would work on him and he could not move at all - and it did work. Both his body and his consciousness would be completely shutdown so this whole "uhh, uhh, he is so strong, he can withstand that" is just once more just another thing that makes no sense at all (and no - "they even said he is incomprehensible and transcends time" is no working explanation, if he is frozen, he is frozen, there would be no "oh yes, and now he tries to withstand" because the consciousness should not even be active, they should have come with something like "it is not properly working on him", that would flow way better). Anyway, as always I am the guy who says it does not matter how much something is consistent or not, it is enough if the writers decide it is true. And of course that is the case here as well.

[OLKv3]

trunks goodbye theme is now associated with this fat feminist and her friends. i hate it

What? How is she a feminist in any way?

[SuperHumanGod]

trunks goodbye theme is now associated with this fat feminist and her friends. i hate it

What? How is she a feminist in any way?

I think he's just using it as an insult because that character is fat and annoying, like every feminist.

[Kanassa]

Half-way point is marked by Zamasu-ing the sky? Okay...

Anyway, great fight; Hit made a terrific last stand here and I love that Goku this whole episode is either "Guys, we might be fucked' or 'OH, SO I'M NOT WORTHY ANYMORE; HUH!?"

[dbs fanboy]

God damn Hit just lost , thought at least he put up a good fight.


Also, Jiren is above time itself ....... sight. That's just bullshit, what is he some sort of db Superman? I hope Goku defeats him with some sort of strategy and not just power, thought ultra instinct it's pretty much that.


Hit's speech was touching, in fact, that's the only good thing about him losing. Hit was the trump card of U6 the rest of it's team members (the ones we know) were a cheater , a really strong Metal man but mentally weak, a bear who could not receive any pain but couldn't fight either (Botamo is not a fighter to me), a weak willed saiyan, a cocky saiyan and an ever weaker willed saiyan (really strong thought).

Without Hit, Cabba, Caulifla and Kale (and the Namekians if you want to count them) will have to figure a way out to survive by themselves and that's pretty interesting.

Edit:

Kinda nice to see Ribrianne being worried.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Jiren out meditating waa hoping Hit would injure him so he would have to recover. Anyway, interesting Jiren looked straight at Goku and ignored him, ie could have knocked him out. I think he's waiting for Goku to power up again.

[Michsi]

Don't know if this particular thread is appropriate for this question, but can somebody confirm if Saoneru's VA is really Nobutoshi Canna. He is credited as the VA on the DB wikia now, but people claim that's not the best source, so I'm reluctant. Seems a little too good to be true for me, and I didn't hear it in the one word Saonel spoke (I really this VA)

[ekrolo2]

No, if you don't apply real world logic you will have a boring show. The nature of real world to fiction is literally a matter of complexity. The fiction is merely a simplified reality. If you use the real world things in fiction it will be less boring. That is the proper viewpoint of writing and creative works. Let alone anything else.

It's not a matter of real world dynamics for me, it's making some sense as its own thing, which Super's idea of "strategery & tactix!" doesn't. Why the fuck would Krillin's +30 years of experience at aaaallll save him if the guy he's fighting can smash him out of bounds so fast Krillin can't even register it. Strategy and tactics, when used right in Dragon Ball, work just fine. Everyone vs Vegeta in the Saiyan arc is a perfectly example, nobody gets +1000000000000 PL points because of experience or whatever the fuck, it's a combination of dumb luck and varied power usage that ultimately lets them beat someone who'd usually kick their shit in even severely wounded. In Super? Strategy and tactics is just a nothing statement that makes worthless fodder like the Earthlings stand toe to toe with opponents who are completely beyond them in every capacity. Until the classic Z rule kicks in and power = trumps all.

[darzap]

Here is a trick to eliminate Jiren:
- flight is nullified
- Jiren is meditating
- dig a tunnel from the lower side of the arena up to Jiren's spot
- Jiren falls through the tunnel into the void
- PROFIT!

alternatively: Paralyse him on the edge of the ring with your time abilities, blow the spot he stands on off from the arena, he falls to his elimination just like Tien --> Profit.

[BlueBasilisk]

This.

To be honest, I am becoming extremely disinterested in the ToP. What's the point anymore? When you have a character that is so OP that he KNOWS no-one else in the 'ring' is worth his time it kinda invalidates the whole thing in my opinion.
From here on, regardless of how good a fight may (or may not) be we have the fact that (whoever was fighting) couldn't beat Jiren, and that Jiren could pretty much clear the fighting stage with a thought. Seriously, personally I won't be able to view any subsequent fight without thinking 'well, they couldn't beat the personality-free walking obstacle Jiren'.

Sorry, it's only my opinion - but that is shit in it's purest form.

I feel like this could be something of a hindrance to the next few episodes. We've already seen what Jiren is capable of and so the fights that follow are happening simply because he's too disinterested or apathetic to do anything and I worry that they'll all feel like fluff to pad time until the inevitable Goku vs Jiren rematch. And with Hit out and Jiren going into DGAF mode, who really poses an actual threat to Universe 7 at all? They still have Frieza, Vegeta and 17 at or near full power. There's Toppo and Dyspo but the both of them come off as clowns and despite Toppo's build-up in the Zen Exhibition I honestly don't see him becoming a major obstacle going forward.

[Taingo]

Mann, I'm liking Jiren more and more. The straight DISRESPECT he gave Goku by turning his back on him, forcing Goku to hide behind that rock watching on helplessly like Yajirobe back in the Saiyan arc, I don't think I've ever seen someone blatantly get under this guy's skin like that while barely saying a word. And if a character HAS to be OP like this, I'm glad he has Jiren's attitude. And, maybe this is my head canon here, but I'd like to think Jiren is sitting back meditating not JUST because he sees all the other fighters as beneath him, but he's honorable enough to not want to bully the fighters out the ring. He can literally one shot every single competitor there, but I'd like to think there's a sense of nobility stopping him from doing that.

The only thing that would make me like Jiren more is if he had a transformation up his sleeve, and his new form "coincidentally looked like Superman. Ahh the reactions