Super Episode 118 (3 December 2017)

[Master Xar]

Hell, he was unable to even go SSJ, let alone SSJ3. And yes, even more recent was him being too exhausted to go Blue to fight Zamasu. Time to wake up folks, this writing is shit.

Oh, and I didn't even notice he went Kaioken at the end, wow to add insult to injury holy shit this is stupid

Whis explained it in this episode. His body is growing acclimated to the repeated exhaustion.

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

Ah yes, my brother and I used to try and kill each other all the time as kids. Truly, such normal behavior for any siblings.

And how does Goku deliberately exhausting his reserves make any sense when he has no reserves? That's literally the entire point of him being exhausted.

Except they aren’t normal siblings, they’ve known each other for over millions of years and likely dealt with a lot of heavy shit in those years, they are gods, life and death doesn’t mean too much to them, or unless you wanna say they aren’t gods, in which case they aren’t above morality and are borderline sociopaths, both likely had plans to revive the other at the end of the tournament anyways.

Also regarding SSJB Goku breaking out of a Black Hole... you do realize Black Holes by this point in the series isn’t shit right? Goku can fight a guy whos power transcends time and likely space, Black Holes are like... Solar System to Galaxy level depending on size? They long surpassed that range in the BOG arc onward.

Life and death doesn't mean anything to each other? Clearly Beerus cared enough about Champa to give him Earth so that he could eat good food, and Champa was very thankful about it. How do you go from a deed like that to deliberately trying to kill your brother?

And it doesn't matter how insignificant a black hole is now in the series. Exhausted is exhausted. If you're exhausted that means you've burnt through all your reserves and have no energy left. So how does one who has no energy left transform into SSB Kaioken and blast through a black hole?

1.) a Saiyans natural ability is pretty much to adapt or get used to their environment or things that oppose them what worked once won’t be as effective the times after, exhaustion is this case.
2.) that was Beerus to Champa not the other way around man, they are GoDs of Destruction and unless they were natural born psychopaths getting used to Death and Destruction is pretty much a given or else you get GoDs like Sidra.

3.) he did it in a single quick burst to break out of the Black Hole, Whis said it himself he got acclimated to the exhaustion, you don’t like the explanation? Fine. They gave you what they gave you.

[emperior]

This episode was awesome, I loved everything about it. The erasures were handled well, especially U6's - I loved Beerus' and Champa's last moment.
The fight with the Namekians was very cool! That collateral Makankosappo was great, and I liked how Nail and Kami appeared while Piccolo was unconscious. I hope we will see more of U6 Namekians, as this episode reminded me why Piccolo is among my favorite characters.
Gohan has definitely changed, and I'm glad to see him finally being a true warrior. He is merciless.
Also, for whoever complained Gohan wasn't using his full power - he explained in this episode that he doesn't want to risk killing people, which is why he holds back. I mean, that was pretty obvious - the bang means Gohan is at 100%. Why would he use his full power against everyone?

[Master Xar]

Hell, he was unable to even go SSJ, let alone SSJ3. And yes, even more recent was him being too exhausted to go Blue to fight Zamasu. Time to wake up folks, this writing is shit.

Oh, and I didn't even notice he went Kaioken at the end, wow to add insult to injury holy shit this is stupid

Whis explained it in this episode. His body is growing acclimated to the repeated exhaustion.

so after all the years of training and fighting now all of a sudden his body is becoming stamina issue immune. At the start of this tournament, goku wouldn't go blue vs nink or trio de dangers cause he wanted to save stamina. Please don't defend bad writing

Except it’s pretty much an ability that Saiyans adapt in order to stay on the battlefield, Goku has never been this consecutively exhausted and repeatedly thrown back into the fight in the series. I don’t see how those past examples correlate to the fact that it’s happening now, I’ll call out bad writing when I see it, and I see none.

[BlueVegerot]

Whis explained it in this episode. His body is growing acclimated to the repeated exhaustion.

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

Except they aren’t normal siblings, they’ve known each other for over millions of years and likely dealt with a lot of heavy shit in those years, they are gods, life and death doesn’t mean too much to them, or unless you wanna say they aren’t gods, in which case they aren’t above morality and are borderline sociopaths, both likely had plans to revive the other at the end of the tournament anyways.

Also regarding SSJB Goku breaking out of a Black Hole... you do realize Black Holes by this point in the series isn’t shit right? Goku can fight a guy whos power transcends time and likely space, Black Holes are like... Solar System to Galaxy level depending on size? They long surpassed that range in the BOG arc onward.

Life and death doesn't mean anything to each other? Clearly Beerus cared enough about Champa to give him Earth so that he could eat good food, and Champa was very thankful about it. How do you go from a deed like that to deliberately trying to kill your brother?

And it doesn't matter how insignificant a black hole is now in the series. Exhausted is exhausted. If you're exhausted that means you've burnt through all your reserves and have no energy left. So how does one who has no energy left transform into SSB Kaioken and blast through a black hole?

1.) a Saiyans natural ability is pretty much to adapt or get used to their environment or things that oppose them what worked once won’t be as effective the times after, exhaustion is this case.
2.) that was Beerus to Champa not the other way around man, they are GoDs of Destruction and unless they were natural born psychopaths getting used to Death and Destruction is pretty much a given or else you get GoDs like Sidra.

3.) he did it in a single quick burst to break out of the Black Hole, Whis said it himself he got acclimated to the exhaustion, you don’t like the explanation? Fine. They gave you what they gave you.

So where was the saiyan adaption vs kid buu? how about vs universe zamasu? if stamina never is an issue why was goku conserving energy? You guys will justify any shit explanation they give you. Its like when people defend a politicians obvious bs

[Master Xar]

That doesn't even begin to make sense.



Life and death doesn't mean anything to each other? Clearly Beerus cared enough about Champa to give him Earth so that he could eat good food, and Champa was very thankful about it. How do you go from a deed like that to deliberately trying to kill your brother?

And it doesn't matter how insignificant a black hole is now in the series. Exhausted is exhausted. If you're exhausted that means you've burnt through all your reserves and have no energy left. So how does one who has no energy left transform into SSB Kaioken and blast through a black hole?

1.) a Saiyans natural ability is pretty much to adapt or get used to their environment or things that oppose them what worked once won’t be as effective the times after, exhaustion is this case.
2.) that was Beerus to Champa not the other way around man, they are GoDs of Destruction and unless they were natural born psychopaths getting used to Death and Destruction is pretty much a given or else you get GoDs like Sidra.

3.) he did it in a single quick burst to break out of the Black Hole, Whis said it himself he got acclimated to the exhaustion, you don’t like the explanation? Fine. They gave you what they gave you.

So where was the saiyan adaption vs kid buu? how about vs universe zamasu? if stamina never is an issue why was goku conserving energy? You guys will justify any shit explanation they give you. Its like when people defend a politicians obvious bs

Read what I said above, Goku had never been this consecutively exhausted before in any of those examples Kid Buu wasn’t a stamina problem it was an energy one, Goku couldn’t adapt to Universe Zamasu because he can’t physically fight him. Chill out with the tone, you’re being disrespectful both to me and the writers of the show, take that shit somewhere else, I’m here to speak to mature people and if you’re going to act like that you don’t belong here.

[DainIronfoot]

This episode was awesome, I loved everything about it. The erasures were handled well, especially U6's - I loved Beerus' and Champa's last moment.
The fight with the Namekians was very cool! That collateral Makankosappo was great, and I liked how Nail and Kami appeared while Piccolo was unconscious. I hope we will see more of U6 Namekians, as this episode reminded me why Piccolo is among my favorite characters.
Gohan has definitely changed, and I'm glad to see him finally being a true warrior. He is merciless.
Also, for whoever complained Gohan wasn't using his full power - he explained in this episode that he doesn't want to risk killing people, which is why he holds back. I mean, that was pretty obvious - the bang means Gohan is at 100%. Why would he use his full power against everyone?

During Roshi's episode when he said MAFUBA during the last one he did to seal Frost, it sounded so epic. It was the same with Piccolo. The Makankosappo yell had more energy in it than normal. Loved it!

[Michsi]

Btw. did anybody else notice that it was Saonel who made Pirina's glove this time. The big guy has a fashion sense and his pal supports it!

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Btw. did anybody else notice that it was Saonel who made Pirina's glove this time. The big guy has a fashion sense and his pal supports it!

Yeah, that was a cool little thing I noticed. I love stuff like that. It's so subtle. It just tells you that Saonel's got Pirina's back.

[chickensguys]

Hell, he was unable to even go SSJ, let alone SSJ3. And yes, even more recent was him being too exhausted to go Blue to fight Zamasu. Time to wake up folks, this writing is shit.

Oh, and I didn't even notice he went Kaioken at the end, wow to add insult to injury holy shit this is stupid

Whis explained it in this episode. His body is growing acclimated to the repeated exhaustion.

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

Ah yes, my brother and I used to try and kill each other all the time as kids. Truly, such normal behavior for any siblings.

And how does Goku deliberately exhausting his reserves make any sense when he has no reserves? That's literally the entire point of him being exhausted.

Except they aren’t normal siblings, they’ve known each other for over millions of years and likely dealt with a lot of heavy shit in those years, they are gods, life and death doesn’t mean too much to them, or unless you wanna say they aren’t gods, in which case they aren’t above morality and are borderline sociopaths, both likely had plans to revive the other at the end of the tournament anyways.

Also regarding SSJB Goku breaking out of a Black Hole... you do realize Black Holes by this point in the series isn’t shit right? Goku can fight a guy whos power transcends time and likely space, Black Holes are like... Solar System to Galaxy level depending on size? They long surpassed that range in the BOG arc onward.

Life and death doesn't mean anything to each other? Clearly Beerus cared enough about Champa to give him Earth so that he could eat good food, and Champa was very thankful about it. How do you go from a deed like that to deliberately trying to kill your brother?

And it doesn't matter how insignificant a black hole is now in the series. Exhausted is exhausted. If you're exhausted that means you've burnt through all your reserves and have no energy left. So how does one who has no energy left transform into SSB Kaioken and blast through a black hole?

There is a lot to dislike in Super but the fact you are even bothering with this line of argument is baffling. The writing makes sense, you might dislike it because "you" would do it differently but it isn't even bad. I would even go so far to say I very much enjoyed the Beerus and Champa relationship. It is totally reasonable to like your brother and want to "kick his ass" in the competition. It is like any sport ever.... Also lets not forget when Beerus won in the earlier bout, he wished for Earth to be returned to Universe 6. Beerus has a kind heart but like actual brothers they bicker, at the end he was conflicted as he would either be erased or his brother would. He slowly sunk into quietness and was only able to cheer his team on after being prodded. At the end of it all, I felt they both wanted to say something but just didn't have enough time so they responded in there own unique way.

In terms of Goku being exhausted it seems possible he had enough time to recover to go blue for an instance. If the stakes are high enough you can push your limit, it is like the classic thing to do. That is like the entire theme of Dragon Ball.

[Android350]

Has anyone seen this analysis of the 119 preview?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-X0CGgKkgc

I seriously hope the androids will fuse before taken down. I expected 18 to be unable to fight due to her leg injury and therefore would fuse with her brother.

Which one would you say is going to go next?
(Should this be a seperate topic btw?)

[KingKaash]

What I just watched had a low and super high points. The low was when the 3 remaining warriors of Universe 2 transformed with love into the maidens forms. Yuck, it was a clownish move. I thought we were done with all things Ribrianne so personally I didn't like that. I wanted those 3 remaining warriors to do their own thing. They did at the end with the black hole attack which I thought was a very creative move actually so I'll applaud them for that.

The simultaneous father son Kamehameha for the eliminations was a thing of beauty, with Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon as well. And the erasures of Universe 2 and Universe 6 were handled so well. Seeing the Universe 2 crowd still cheering on the Universe 2 team even though the team lost was heartfelt and made me feel sad to see them get erased. And wow seeing the Champa and Beerus exchange was heavy. During his initial debut, I found Champa a bit annoying. But I grew accustomed to his ways and he gave me a nice laugh every single episode he appeared in the ToP. He really had at least one funny line every time in the ToP. So seeing him go out with his classic tongue out was very sad. And Beerus reaction was perfect. He's got that brotherly dislike but deep down brotherly love for Champa all going through his head and then he's also thinking dang these Zenos are way too powerful and I despise them for erasing my brother but I also need to think about myself. Basically all these thoughts are racing through Beerus mind causing Beerus to feel conflicted in that scene and you can feel it which was a great use of non-fighting characters.

As for the fighting, Gohan can almost keep up with the entire U6 Planet Namek by himself and only needs Piccolo for the finish. The sort of offscreen save of Piccolo by Gohan was crazy because I really thought that Saonel and Pirina had won right there. And combining all of the Namekians power into 2 Nameks is an insane but awesome idea in terms of strategy so I really liked that! And how about the Kami and Nail with the appearance! Nice to show them inside Piccolo to show where Piccolo derives his strength from.

Overall great episode! Next episode looks pretty good too with the U4 threat being revealed. They better get some eliminations

[SHINOBI-03]

Good bye Champa and Co. (Until the predictable reset button to come)

[Michsi]

Btw. did anybody else notice that it was Saonel who made Pirina's glove this time. The big guy has a fashion sense and his pal supports it!

Yeah, that was a cool little thing I noticed. I love stuff like that. It's so subtle. It just tells you that Saonel's got Pirina's back.

Action and drama aside, it was a great episode for character interaction. Vados and Champa take the cake, but it was filled with small delightful moments, Krillin reacting to 18 calling herself a goddess, the androids goading Goku to play along, Caulifla keeping her "promise".

As I said, great episode! More, please!

[TheZFighter]

Oh my god Nail and Kami appearing <3

Add that to the list of things I've enjoyed about this tournament.

Also, loved the scene with 17 and 18 holding up Goku after the Kamehameha. Such a turn around, considering they were made to kill him. Great episode.

[HeroR]

Btw. did anybody else notice that it was Saonel who made Pirina's glove this time. The big guy has a fashion sense and his pal supports it!

Yeah, that was a cool little thing I noticed. I love stuff like that. It's so subtle. It just tells you that Saonel's got Pirina's back.

Action and drama aside, it was a great episode for character interaction. Vados and Champa take the cake, but it was filled with small delightful moments, Krillin reacting to 18 calling herself a goddess, the androids goading Goku to play along, Caulifla keeping her "promise".

As I said, great episode! More, please!

I honestly think the action was lackluster outside of a few scenes. It were the characters that made this episode, mostly U2 and U6. Seeing two universes make their final stand against overwhelming odds and accepting the end result, good stuff. It says a lot when a show like Dragon Ball which is know for its action over character interactions have an episode where the action itself was alright, but it was the characters that drove everything.

Also the Grand Priest gave props to U7 for standing up and winning despite everyone trying to kill them.

[Nickolaidas]

Kami slowly pointing forward with his dead black eyes was creepy as fuck. Amazing to boot too. A pity that the scenario of Piccolo absorbing the Namekians to power up and 'save' the U6 Namekians from extinction didn't play out though.

Goku keeps partnering up with the androids, I love it. Kudos to the siblings for role-playing as well.

Frieza is still the vulture, waiting for his chance.

Ribrianne and her universe went out like a boss. She thanked her friends, her audience, and us, the viewers for giving them our support (or simply tolerating them - depends on your side of the fence). It was good that these two universes took their erasure differently than in U9 and 10.

Hit didn't say anything, which sucks. Vegeta angry over Cabba's erasure was also good.

I was quite off in my prediction as what would happen with Champa, they went full Dragon Ball with his erasure. Beerus, however, I *kinda* figured.

Still waiting for the inevitable 'War Against the Gods' arc after this.

[Ki Breaker]

Good bye Champa and Co. (Until the predictable reset button to come)

Although chances are less, Toriyama might decide to go for Universes not being restorable once zeno erases it..
If not, it might be an invitation for potential plot hole of if SDB really can do anything, why didn't they restore all of Trunks timeline except Zamasu..
The best way to counteract it all would be Zeno's whishes can't be overridden..

[Michsi]

Yeah, that was a cool little thing I noticed. I love stuff like that. It's so subtle. It just tells you that Saonel's got Pirina's back.

Action and drama aside, it was a great episode for character interaction. Vados and Champa take the cake, but it was filled with small delightful moments, Krillin reacting to 18 calling herself a goddess, the androids goading Goku to play along, Caulifla keeping her "promise".

As I said, great episode! More, please!

I honestly think the action was lackluster outside of a few scenes. It were the characters that made this episode, mostly U2 and U6. Seeing two universes make their final stand against overwhelming odds and accepting the end result, good stuff. It says a lot when a show like Dragon Ball which is know for its action over character interactions have an episode where the action itself was alright, but it was the characters that drove everything.

Also the Grand Priest gave props to U7 for standing up and winning despite everyone trying to kill them.

An episode having just a few well animated action scenes is pretty much what I've come to expect from Super, and most shounen type series anyway, even when those episodes are supposed to be stand-outs. They re-used a lot of frames too, which is deducts points, but I've become a lot more lenient when it comes to such type of short-cuts. But by action I meant how well they handled their serious bits, choosing the right kind of music, fight composition, etc. Taken as a whole, it was well done.

But yeah, it's the characters that made this episode. I didn't even mind the bittersweet send-off and how everyone was just a tad bit too up-beat given the circumstance.

As for the fighting, Gohan can almost keep up with the entire U6 Planet Namek by himself and only needs Piccolo for the finish.

I keep seeing this - the subs said "many of our people volunteered". It's not the entire race. If feel like this misconception comes from Multiverse again....

[Cure Dragon 255]

Was Vice banned? I dont see him anywhere. He only seems to exist to compain...

[Ki Breaker]

Was Vice banned? I dont see him anywhere. He only seems to exist to compain...

There isn't a ban, he is simply in the shadows since November 26 to 30, around 6 pm was his last logout..
He hasn't logged in since, this is the latest post..

Oh my god Nail and Kami appearing <3

How though, kami and Piccolo weren't different beings to begin with, they shouldn't appear, especially since Piccolo was said to have turned into the previous nameless namekian after the fusion