Editing of painfully-outdated LGBT+ content in future DB(Z) releases?

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

I really don't get the resistance to editing out incredibly dumb homophobic jokes (like the one about how Blue wants to fuck a child because that's just what gay guys do, I guess). There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

Now I;m not saying go full Lucas and try to erase that content from history but I don't see why it'd be "censorship" to edit it out of future releases.

Whis is gay.

Beerus bath scene pretty much confirms it.

What if he is bi? Or pan?

I think Gohan and Videl’s daughter is Pan.

I was made to laugh against my better judgement.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

I really don't get the resistance to editing out incredibly dumb homophobic jokes (like the one about how Blue wants to fuck a child because that's just what gay guys do, I guess). There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

Now I;m not saying go full Lucas and try to erase that content from history but I don't see why it'd be "censorship" to edit it out of future releases.

What if he is bi? Or pan?

I think Gohan and Videl’s daughter is Pan.

I was made to laugh against my better judgement.

I seriously don't believe that will actually happen anytime soon if ever, and as much as some of those above things may be seen as being in rather poor taste or questionable these days i'm not expecting Toei or FUNimation to go the editing route and strip them out from the episodes themselves.

[JulieYBM]

Future Dragon Ball should be even queerer, with positive and open displays of queerness.

I like the up-frontness of Julie-chan. At least she's fucking honest.

More gay people, more bi people, more pan people, more poly people, more trans people, more non-binary people, more demisexual people, more asexual people, and more aromantic people. More girls sucking each others' dicks, please!

Whis is gay.

Beerus bath scene pretty much confirms it.

He could be pansexual or bisexual. Queer behavior does not necessarily mean someone only likes one gender.

I personally feel that if anyone thinks the series should be retroactively censored, that they automatically forfeit any right to complain about all of the censorship that the franchise has been through in the past and now present with Toei's butchered movie releases.

Even if times change and society's views change, I'm always against changing a work for them (and if it's something overtly bigoted, then maybe it wasn't worthwhile in the first place).

I’d agree but it doesn’t look like anyone outside the OP is advocating for censorship. Most Dragon Ball fans are able to accept that its problematic content exist and censorship won’t undo it.

Like don’t apologize for your mistakes just do better.

Yeah, none of the actual GSRM folks in this thread have called for editing out of offensive things. If we erase history we can't remember it.

Whis is gay.

Beerus bath scene pretty much confirms it.

What if he is bi? Or pan?

I think Gohan and Videl’s daughter is Pan.

Dying for pansexual Pan and her pansexual girlfriend Bra to get to h-h-h-hold hands.

I really don't get the resistance to editing out incredibly dumb homophobic jokes (like the one about how Blue wants to fuck a child because that's just what gay guys do, I guess). There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

Now I;m not saying go full Lucas and try to erase that content from history but I don't see why it'd be "censorship" to edit it out of future releases.

We need to preserve the mistakes of our past so that we can learn from them. Example:

[MyVisionity]

There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

I find that those comedy scenes actually do enhance the product and make me laugh. And I certainly never fastforwarded through any of it, or anything at all really.

Censorship is censorship, no matter how terrible the material may be. Aside from the whole preserving history and learning from it angle, there's also the matter of preserving the product as it was created and intended to be. I think it would be disrespectful to the creators, the audience, and truth itself to edit these things away.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

I find that those comedy scenes actually do enhance the product and make me laugh. And I certainly never fastforwarded through any of it, or anything at all really.

Censorship is censorship, no matter how terrible the material may be. Aside from the whole preserving history and learning from it angle, there's also the matter of preserving the product as it was created and intended to be. I think it would be disrespectful to the creators, the audience, and truth itself to edit these things away.

The very act of editing is a type of censorship so why be skittish about editing out bad jokes? I never see people get this defensive about all the other filler Dragon Ball Z is an infamous for so why does a joke about a gay man wanting to rape a baby have to stay in?

And I'll reiterate that I'm not saying destroy all the old tapes or make those versions impossible to find. But if we're going to praise Kai for cutting out so much of the boring filler, we should also be open to other potential edits that change the original material.

Also, Dragon Ball was always a cash grab series. It's not like we're defacing the frescos of Pompei or whatever. We're talking about editing a kids' show. No one is disrespecting the "audience" or "the truth."

[Kokonoe]

Future Dragon Ball should be even queerer, with positive and open displays of queerness.

I like the up-frontness of Julie-chan. At least she's fucking honest.

More gay people, more bi people, more pan people, more poly people, more trans people, more non-binary people, more demisexual people, more asexual people, and more aromantic people. More girls sucking each others' dicks, please!

Whis is gay.

Beerus bath scene pretty much confirms it.

He could be pansexual or bisexual. Queer behavior does not necessarily mean someone only likes one gender.

I personally feel that if anyone thinks the series should be retroactively censored, that they automatically forfeit any right to complain about all of the censorship that the franchise has been through in the past and now present with Toei's butchered movie releases.

Even if times change and society's views change, I'm always against changing a work for them (and if it's something overtly bigoted, then maybe it wasn't worthwhile in the first place).

I’d agree but it doesn’t look like anyone outside the OP is advocating for censorship. Most Dragon Ball fans are able to accept that its problematic content exist and censorship won’t undo it.

Like don’t apologize for your mistakes just do better.

Yeah, none of the actual GSRM folks in this thread have called for editing out of offensive things. If we erase history we can't remember it.

What if he is bi? Or pan?

I think Gohan and Videl’s daughter is Pan.

Dying for pansexual Pan and her pansexual girlfriend Bra to get to h-h-h-hold hands.

I really don't get the resistance to editing out incredibly dumb homophobic jokes (like the one about how Blue wants to fuck a child because that's just what gay guys do, I guess). There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

Now I;m not saying go full Lucas and try to erase that content from history but I don't see why it'd be "censorship" to edit it out of future releases.

We need to preserve the mistakes of our past so that we can learn from them. Example:

They aren't mutually exclusive.

[XanatosVanBadass]

There's a lot of inane bits of comedy throughout the series that don't enhance the product or actually make the audience laugh. ChiChi the shrieking banshee filler, Roshi the sex offender filler, Krillin the eternal loser filler. All of that stuff should be trimmed down and removed because, and be honest, when you were a kid watching this show on old VHS tapes, you fastforwarded through that stuff.

I find that those comedy scenes actually do enhance the product and make me laugh. And I certainly never fastforwarded through any of it, or anything at all really.

Censorship is censorship, no matter how terrible the material may be. Aside from the whole preserving history and learning from it angle, there's also the matter of preserving the product as it was created and intended to be. I think it would be disrespectful to the creators, the audience, and truth itself to edit these things away.

The very act of editing is a type of censorship so why be skittish about editing out bad jokes? I never see people get this defensive about all the other filler Dragon Ball Z is an infamous for so why does a joke about a gay man wanting to rape a baby have to stay in?

And I'll reiterate that I'm not saying destroy all the old tapes or make those versions impossible to find. But if we're going to praise Kai for cutting out so much of the boring filler, we should also be open to other potential edits that change the original material.

Also, Dragon Ball was always a cash grab series. It's not like we're defacing the frescos of Pompei or whatever. We're talking about editing a kids' show. No one is disrespecting the "audience" or "the truth."

I think it’s less we should censor the past as much as we should maybe leave problematic garbage behind and focus on promoting anime that promote a more progressive agenda.

[JulieYBM]

Instead of making edited versions of old works they should just be making new, more progressive works, like PreCure or the character dynamics of Universe 2 and Kale and Caulifla.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

I think it’s less we should censor the past as much as we should maybe leave problematic garbage behind and focus on promoting anime that promote a more progressive agenda.

I am not advocating for "censoring the past." I am explaining why I don't see anything wrong with censoring rereleases when the company isn't doing anything to bury early versions of the work. It's just another part of editing as far as I'm concerned.

[XanatosVanBadass]

I think it’s less we should censor the past as much as we should maybe leave problematic garbage behind and focus on promoting anime that promote a more progressive agenda.

I am not advocating for "censoring the past." I am explaining why I don't see anything wrong with censoring rereleases when the company isn't doing anything to bury early versions of the work. It's just another part of editing as far as I'm concerned.

By letting the earlier versions go out of print, they ABSOLUTELY would be burying them. Just in an indirect way. Frankly I’m fine if that’s what you want, just own it.

[JulieYBM]

When you let corporations create scrubbed versions of a dirty product they're going to push for the scrubbed version to be what everyone thinks. They're going to avoid negative press if they can.

[goku the krump dancer]

I think it’s less we should censor the past as much as we should maybe leave problematic garbage behind and focus on promoting anime that promote a more progressive agenda.

I am not advocating for "censoring the past." I am explaining why I don't see anything wrong with censoring rereleases when the company isn't doing anything to bury early versions of the work. It's just another part of editing as far as I'm concerned.

So were you okay with Blue Popo?

[MasenkoHA]

I think it’s less we should censor the past as much as we should maybe leave problematic garbage behind and focus on promoting anime that promote a more progressive agenda.

I am not advocating for "censoring the past." I am explaining why I don't see anything wrong with censoring rereleases when the company isn't doing anything to bury early versions of the work. It's just another part of editing as far as I'm concerned.

So were you okay with Blue Popo?

Can I just say that in a broadcast edit that includes adding breathing to corpses and turned halos to light orbs it’s trying to make the minstrel show look less offensive that gets people’s jammies in a twist?

Blue Popo doesn’t make the series incomprehensible like some of the other stuff Toonzai did. If Toei/Fuji tv had done it I would have put it on the same level as censoring the baby dick. Okay whatever.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

So were you okay with Blue Popo?

Hell yeah. The only funny thing about Popo is that he reminds me of a joke from SFDebris. "What the hell is that? It looks like a gingerbread man made out of racism." As Blue Popo he still wasn't funny but at least he was my favorite color.

By letting the earlier versions go out of print, they ABSOLUTELY would be burying them. Just in an indirect way. Frankly I’m fine if that’s what you want, just own it.

No it would not. There are already multiple versions of Dragon Ball out with all that content in them. We've had 30 years worth of releases, dubs, rereleases, and remasters. TOEI pivoting to a new edit is no more buring the old material than Victor Hugo was burying the original Notre Dame de Paris by writting La Esmeralda. A new revision, edit, or retelling of a story is not in and of itself burying an earlier iteration of that story.

[JulieYBM]

Putting an edited version on Walmart shelves for people to buy is going to tell people that Dragon Ball was never offensive to minorities. Rehabilitating their image is fucking wrong.