DBZ Season 1 - High quality clips!

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:30 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Pieter wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Honestly, Steve Franko (or whatever his name) has said he tried to get the colors as well as he could to what the "artist intended them to be".

He didn't say anything about original film colors.
I'm glad you trust him. Too bad he doesn't speak Japanese and has no idea what their intentions were.
What???

Where did I say I trusted him? I don't like him at all.

I'm sorry for assuming the worst.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:33 pm

The pink backgrounds in the second and third shots are a little too washed-out, but overall the colors aren't that bad here. In the fourth shot you can already see that the greenish tint has been changed to blue, and obviously the fifth shot is straight up green -> blue. I dunno, maybe they thought the green sky was a mistake and "color corrected" it to blue. Hopefully we don't encounter these coloring issues when they get to Namek.

JAPPO wrote:said he tried to get the colors as well as he could to what the "artist intended them to be".

For the most part the color itself isn't the issue (aside from the green/blue sky), it's that the image is really washed-out. It looks like the animation was shot with really strong backlighting, and it's bleaching out the image. Check my comparison on page 3 of this thread to see what I mean.

And I still don't get how people can watch the show like this...it's like seeing the show through a tiny box or something.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:21 pm

DBW wrote:I dunno, maybe they thought the green sky was a mistake and "color corrected" it to blue. Hopefully we don't encounter these coloring issues when they get to Namek.

Yet they left Vegeta's orange Saiyan armor the same. Though I guess that would go in the same category as people complaining about Han Solo shooting first (or whatever it was)

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Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:40 pm

I have some of the pioneer episodes on my hard-drive. Unfortunately I don't have the dvd's but I doubt this is due to mpeg conversion:

They also have the blue sky :siren:

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:42 pm

Pieter wrote:Yes it is, but it's real easy to watch the episodes with an anti-grain filter combined with a sharpening feature using a program like ffdshow, and if you want them for television you can use these features to make your own bootlegs, which will look a hundred times better than "Season 1". The fun thing is you can decide for yourself whereas with season 1 you can't unfilter anything.

By the way, does someone know for what color temperature the dragonbox releases are made? I read that in Japan the standard for color temperature is much higher than here in europe (6500k) or the usa.

It's 9,300k according to this site.

I've got ffdshow...how would I go about doing that?

Mystery Person X wrote:DBZ was shot on 16mm film, which is always very grainy. The grain has been a part of the show all along.

Akira is a theatrical movie. I'd have assumed it was shot on 35mm film, but according to IMDB it was shot on 65mm film. In any case, both of these are much less grainy than 16mm (though grain is an inherent part of the film medium). I don't have Akira on DVD to see how much grain there actually is, but it might also be that the grain was removed/reduced as part of the very expensive restoration process that the movie underwent for its DVD release. You can't expect that kind of thing for a 291-episode TV series.

Looking a little closer on the DVD, there is some grain, but it's not nearly as apparent. Here are some screens (though Windows Media Player Classic didn't maintain the aspect ratio for some reason):

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:46 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:[It's 9,300k according to this site.

I've got ffdshow...how would I go about doing that?

I doubt it's 9,300k. Yes it's often the standard for tv-sets in Japan but I believe shows are still made for 6500k.

Also I haven't been able to try it out with ffdshow yet since I'm still waiting for the r2's, but try to mess around with the anti-noise filters in the blur section.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:53 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:Yet they left Vegeta's orange Saiyan armor the same. Though I guess that would go in the same category as people complaining about Han Solo shooting first (or whatever it was) .

Huh? I just threw out color correction as a possibility. I don't know what that has to do with Vegeta's armor or Han Solo...

Pieter wrote:I have some of the pioneer episodes on my hard-drive. Unfortunately I don't have the dvd's but I doubt this is due to mpeg conversion:

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They also have the blue sky :siren:

Interesting. So now we have 4 sources to look at. R2 and FUNi's GT disks show green. Pioneer and the Season Sets show blue.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:02 am

DBW wrote:
DaemonCorps wrote:Yet they left Vegeta's orange Saiyan armor the same. Though I guess that would go in the same category as people complaining about Han Solo shooting first (or whatever it was) .
Huh? I just threw out color correction as a possibility. I don't know what that has to do with Vegeta's armor or Han Solo...

Well, someone completely alters something about a character in Star Wars, and they get a bunch of fan complaints. I figured FUNi was playing it safe by not altering Vegeta's wrong color armor. Then again, they went ahead and altered everything by widescreening the series...

Uhh... don't worry about it. I just suck at analogies/comparisons/whatever is all

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Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:20 am

Pieter wrote:
Acid_Reign wrote:[It's 9,300k according to this site.

I've got ffdshow...how would I go about doing that?
I doubt it's 9,300k. Yes it's often the standard for tv-sets in Japan but I believe shows are still made for 6500k.

Also I haven't been able to try it out with ffdshow yet since I'm still waiting for the r2's, but try to mess around with the anti-noise filters in the blur section.

I'm waiting too. Let me know how it goes when you get yours.

Also, does the color temperature have to be explicitly set before watching them (for it to be correct)?

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:04 am

Spain's remastered DVD's.

ssgOverlord · Post by **ssgOverlord** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:21 pm

Hmm...That is certainly weird. American version have blue, and others have green. Is it the footage used?

majinboogc · Post by **majinboogc** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:39 pm

The Mexican dub also has a blue sky. Very odd...

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:55 pm

Just watched those eps last night it didnt bother me, and I knew it had been green in Dragonbox, but it really didnt matter in the long run.

ssgOverlord · Post by **ssgOverlord** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:43 pm

Here's the different shades. I wasn't too sure what that Japanese one was, but I'll assume Dragon Box.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:01 pm

You all are a bunch of nerds you know that?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:03 pm

ssgOverlord wrote:Here's the different shades. I wasn't too sure what that Japanese one was, but I'll assume Dragon Box.
:SNIP SNIP SNIP!:

Oddly enough, Spain's look best there IMO. DragonBox looks horrid in terms of grain at least in that shot.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:05 pm

The Dragon Box DVDs have a lot of grain 100% of the time.

This is a good thing. It means the source material is being presented accurately. DBZ has always had grain.

Just why does everyone hate grain so much?

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:20 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:You all are a bunch of nerds you know that?

...the irony of that statement is hilarious.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:20 pm

True, but too much grain does get very annoying.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:24 pm

Mystery Person X wrote:Just why does everyone hate grain so much?

Meh, it's understandable. People want things to look perfect nowadays, but most don't realize that it's usually a give-or-take situation. Some people just prefer the clean image over the more natural image, regardless of the finer details. As far as film quality control goes, DVNR is sin, but that doesn't mean that it won't suit certain people's tastes.

As for the 4-split image posted, I definitely like the Dragon Box and Pioneer images the best. The encoding on the Pioneer version sucks, but the core material isn't too bad. As for the Spanish and FUNi versions, they're way too blurry and smeared-looking for my tastes.

Sun_Wukong wrote:You all are a bunch of nerds you know that?

I'm sorry this doesn't interest you as much as the "Is Goku faster than the speed of light?" threads...