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Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:01 am

Can you remind me what the last words coming out of Bardock's mouth were before he died? I think you'll find that there's connection enough, especially after the visions/conversation with Goku in his mind.

There weren't any conversations. Bardock's lacked any dialogue at all. Bardock never spoke or thought anything in them, nor did Goku. And at the end Bardock was just proud that it was his blood that would kill Freeza. Basic Saiya-jin pride, nothing more.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:50 am

Xyex wrote:
Can you remind me what the last words coming out of Bardock's mouth were before he died? I think you'll find that there's connection enough, especially after the visions/conversation with Goku in his mind.
There weren't any conversations. Bardock's lacked any dialogue at all. Bardock never spoke or thought anything in them, nor did Goku. And at the end Bardock was just proud that it was his blood that would kill Freeza. Basic Saiya-jin pride, nothing more.

I could have sworn that he either said "My son lives on" or "Kakarot!" while he was getting smashed by Freeza's attack.

About the conversation in the vision, I get completely mixed up, I think it happened in one of the video games, my mistake.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:56 am

In the Portuguese version he says "Goodbye my son" which is a little out of character anyway :P

Anyway! We should get back on topic and leave the "Super Saiyan Bardock" stuff for some other place.

I still will say the same thing. I would love a universe with Neko Majin xD

Also, you guys have any idea of who are the people of universe #19?
The first thought that came to my mind was those kids with the invisible spaceship that Krilin, Gohan and Bulma run into on the way to Namek.
But that can't be right...

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:42 pm

I thought they were Tsufuru-jin at first, but then those people were smaller than Saiyans. They do look like a technologically advanced super hybrid race of Saiyans / humans from Earth's distant future.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:04 pm

DNA wrote:In the Portuguese version he says "Goodbye my son" which is a little out of character anyway

Anyway! We should get back on topic and leave the "Super Saiyan Bardock" stuff for some other place.

Um, it pretty much is on topic. We're giving suggestions for a character and reasons for his existance.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:18 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote: I could have sworn that he either said "My son lives on" or "Kakarot!" while he was getting smashed by Freeza's attack.

About the conversation in the vision, I get completely mixed up, I think it happened in one of the video games, my mistake.

In the dub Bardock says that. He just laughs in the original for good reasons. Bardock kinda gets the last laugh on Freeza!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:47 am

Terra-jin wrote:The reason Bardock couldn't become a Super Saiyan was first and foremost because he was not calm-hearted like Goku. The calmness is given in the manga as a requirement - I myself see the trigger as an intense feeling that goes right against a person's nature.
Goku's anger at Freeza goes against his calm nature

King Piccolo.

If there is no minimum power requirement for Super Saiyan, then Goku would've transformed at Krillin's first death. I would like to see someone come up with a way to explain that away while keeping Bardock's transformation.

I always thought it would be cool to see the lesser Saiyan characters transform into Super Saiyans.

Oh yes, let's just relieve ourselves even more on the 'legendary' status of the Super Saiyan. Is it not enough that special ed kids can use the form?

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:50 am

So new Page today! Pretty sweet but Cargot? Who is that? I hope to find out on Wednesday.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:21 am

If Cargot was a sameccian I can't explain how goddamn giddy I'd be. Holy crap I love sameccians.

Probably not happening, but it sounds like a mix of Nameccian and Sayiajin naming standards. I can dream.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:25 am

Velasa wrote:If Cargot was a sameccian I can't explain how goddamn giddy I'd be. Holy crap I love sameccians.

Probably not happening, but it sounds like a mix of Nameccian and Sayiajin naming standards. I can dream.

JK, sounds like a fusion of Cargo and Kakarotto!
lol

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:52 am

Since Cargot comes obviously from Escargot, it will be one of those random Nameks from universe 10, like he states when he says which universe they belong to. Don't dream too much... :/

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:59 am

DNA wrote:Since Cargot comes obviously from Escargot, it will be one of those random Nameks from universe 10, like he states when he says which universe they belong to. Don't dream too much... :/

WTF, I said I was joking

We'll find out on Wednesday anyways.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:12 am

I wasn't attacking you at all ._. jeez, people are really jumpy around here nowadays.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:00 am

Rocketman wrote:I would like to see someone come up with a way to explain that away while keeping Bardock's transformation.

Ok, Bardock is at approximately 10 to 12K, right? Then just make that the required powerlevel.

A different approach, I like to view the power requirement in terms of maximum 'zenkais' (yes, I know, fan-term. Bear with me). A Saiyan cannot gain an indefinite amount of zenkais. Let's say that every individual has a certain amount of hidden power. This hidden power is gradually released by the zenkais. Now, when all of that hidden power is released (i.e. the Saiyan is at his maximum power), that is his personal threshold powerlevel for the Super Saiyan transformation.

Back to Bardock, we hear them say that Bardock has been in many battles and that this has raised his power from low-class to near-elite status. Now, just imagine that this was Bardock's maximum power - this would make him ready to transform from anger.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:24 am

I kind of thought ';Cargot' was a mis-spelling of 'cargo' [the little namek that was like dendes brother of something] since he was sort of the first one frieza killed [in the manga] it that the one that fused all the nameks?

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:16 pm

DNA wrote:I wasn't attacking you at all ._. jeez, people are really jumpy around here nowadays.

Sorry bro, I was a bit jump yesterday.

Terra-jin wrote:Ok, Bardock is at approximately 10 to 12K, right? Then just make that the required powerlevel.

A different approach, I like to view the power requirement in terms of maximum 'zenkais' (yes, I know, fan-term. Bear with me). A Saiyan cannot gain an indefinite amount of zenkais. Let's say that every individual has a certain amount of hidden power. This hidden power is gradually released by the zenkais. Now, when all of that hidden power is released (i.e. the Saiyan is at his maximum power), that is his personal threshold powerlevel for the Super Saiyan transformation.

Back to Bardock, we hear them say that Bardock has been in many battles and that this has raised his power from low-class to near-elite status. Now, just imagine that this was Bardock's maximum power - this would make him ready to transform from anger.

I don't think he could ever transform at 10K. The Daizex transformation guide has you needing a power level of about 180,000.
The people that heal Bardock on Planet Vegeta say he is just as strong as King Vegeta who is at a power level of 10,000.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:33 pm

But this is from a completely different universe, things could be different. Bardock could have had different events leading up to his fight with Freeza, thus making his power level higher or something like that. Or you could even have completely different rules regarding what is required to transform due to it being a different universe.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:34 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:But this is from a completely different universe, things could be different. Bardock could have had different events leading up to his fight with Freeza, thus making his power level higher or something like that. Or you could even have completely different rules regarding what is required to transform due to it being a different universe.

I'd like it if they kept the rules of the Saiya-jin body the same throughout all of the universes, but the idea of different events happening in a Bardock universe would be awesome. They could use that for a couple of pages where Bardock explains his universe to Goku and Vegeta, or they could do what Toryama did with the Trunks back story and create an complete background story that takes up a bunch of pages.

The story is really starting to build, and I can't wait for the rest of the tournament to get underway...it's a shame that Faye won't be coloring anymore of the pages, because the pages of the fights that she did color look absolutely stunning.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:56 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote: I'd like it if they kept the rules of the Saiya-jin body the same throughout all of the universes, but the idea of different events happening in a Bardock universe would be awesome.

They shouldn't be changed so drastically that it makes it ridiculously stupid, but just tweak them a bit so that Bardock's transformation makes more sense.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:49 am

Bardock could have had different events leading up to his fight with Freeza, thus making his power level higher or something like that.

That would be the simpliest way of doing it. Simply say that Bardock was actually many times stronger than he was in the series universe due to a different chain of events in his life. Maybe he didn't get back to Planet Vegeta before Freeza got there, thus when he returned home his home wasn't there anymore and he spent the next 23 years training to fight Freeza and exploring the galaxy looking for other surviving Saiya-jins.

Only to then inadvertantly intercept Raditz's transmission to Vegeta about the Dragonballs. One thing leads to another and he's with Goku and Vegeta on Namek and both of them get killed, thus leaving him as the last living Saiya-jin and facing the extinction of his entire race... and then boom, SSJ Bardock.

Or, if you want to make it even easier, just say the Saiya-jins of this universe were naturally stronger than those of the series universe. And Bardock's recovery after Kanassa didn't put him at 10,000 but 1,000,000 or something. >>

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