Christmas blues :(

[MarcFBR]

All I can do is repeat my point. This isn't a forum about kidnapping. If it were, I wouldn't be here.

Isn't the first plot point of Dragonball Z about a kid getting kidnapped, and had that not happened chances are the good guys would have gotten beat when Vegeta and Nappa shown up?

[Rena Rune]

If anybody has a forum about kidnapping children, they would be locked up and jailed. Kidnapping another human being is wrong on all counts. Period. You CAN'T compare the kidnapping of person to not allowing an Off Topic section to a forum.

Why not?

I'm not saying they're just as bad. But the fact that you acted lke a complete gobshite on another forum to me because this form is too lenient on acting like a prick(as long as you agree with everyone else), is a pretty big issue in my books.

As long as ONE THING an admin can do with their forum then ALL THINGS are questionable. This is basic logic. Infallibility is an AND function.

Now, the only way to know what's worse than what is if we actually discuss it. The problem is all of you are locking out the possibility that I could be right, and the DaizEx staff are wrong. But what if you all didn't have a problem with kidnapping children? Morals can vary wildly.

It doesn't matter if this isn't the worst thing in the world. I still think it's a problem, and it's certainly a problem people aren't listening to me, because it's HIS forum and HIS rules. But again, HIS RULES CAN BE WRONG. An admin's judgement can be incorrect, if you agree kidnapping children is wrong.

If you post another "Ur just immature and making dumb comparisons lol"I swear I'm going to go nuts. If any of you have an *ounce* of maturity in you you'll actually reply to my posts point by point for once. Otherwise, chances are, you're wrong. People who are right can defend their arguments properly.

If we can allow discussion of this, then we can determine if something IS morally defunct. If you write it off as "his board, his rules", this cannot happen.

Why am I even bothering. This is just going to get ignored. li

[Rena Rune]

This is bullshit and you know it. Is it wrong for an admin of a forum to use his PRIVATE PROPERTY to talk about abducting children? If so, then acting like a jerk and making dumfuck rules even if you're an admin also falls under question. You're a goddamn slimeball if you try to dodge this again.

It doesn't matter if they're completely different things. The fact is that the admins infallibility is broken if they can do ANYTHING wrong. Once they can do ONE thing wrong, we can question other things.

That's why it matters. I'm using an extreme example under the hope that you'd be guilted into not acting like a total slimeball and ignoring my point.

Do you understand this? Copy and paste anything you find morally objectional, and imagine an admin using his site for it. Or anything illegal - since legality is subjective anyway to an extent.

Again, you're going to ignore my reasoning, and continue to act like you're in the right when you're some of the goddamn worst debaters on the planet. None of you even approach being reasonable human beings. A reasonable human being does not continue to demonise someone while ignoring their defense. You find that offensive? Then damn well prove me wrong intead of getting offended at it.

All I can do is repeat my point. This isn't a forum about kidnapping. If it were, I wouldn't be here. I'd report the forum to law enforcement. Mike makes the rules for this forum and I agreed to them upon joining. However, that does not put Mike above the law and I would certainly report him to law enforcement if he were kidnapping children. That's why your example doesn't apply. Kidnapping children is a completely different matter.

Create an example that's more suitable to the subjects we discuss here and we can discuss this further.

So, only the law matters when it comes to ethics? That's what you're saying. The only worthwhile moral judgment comes from blindly following the law. I have no right to criticise Mike over things that aren't illega.

[Freeza Heika]

Let's say I buy a large parcel of open land, and on this large parcel I throw an enormous party. I advertise it all over town, and everyone is invited, but I make it clear that the one rule is that you can't start arguments, that span hours because someone said something that was slightly displeasing to you. Let's say you broke this rule and then compared my rule to kidnapping or some other atrocity, would I be within my rights to tell you to shut the fuck up?

Then again, this has gone beyond reasonable conversation and analogy, so I pose: If you smell like a douche, act like a douche, talk like a douche, and everyone tells you that you're a douche, what does that make you?

[Kendamu]

His rules can be wrong. However, if you find them to be wrong, you shouldn't have joined.

http://www.daizex.com/interaction/board/

At the top it says:

By signing up for and posting on the forum, you agree to these rules.

I agreed to the rules. If I decide that I no longer agree with them, I'll go elsewhere.

So, only the law matters when it comes to ethics? That's what you're saying. The only worthwhile moral judgment comes from blindly following the law. I have no right to criticise Mike over things that aren't illega.

First off, the rules of this forum have nothing to do with the law. Second, you can criticize him all you want, but my point still stands that when you join this forum, you have agreed to the rules. If you've changed your mind, take it up with Mike or leave. The rest of us will continue enjoying ourselves in the meantime.

[Rena Rune]

Let's say I buy a large parcel of open land, and on this large parcel I throw an enormous party. I advertise it all over town, and everyone is invited, but I make it clear that the one rule is that you can't start arguments, that span hours because someone said something that was slightly displeasing to you. Let's say you broke this rule and then compared my rule to kidnapping or some other atrocity, would I be within my rights to tell you to shut the fuck up?

Then again, this has gone beyond reasonable conversation and analogy, so I pose: If you smell like a douche, act like a douche, talk like a douche, and everyone tells you that you're a douche, what does that make you?

"Within your rights" is not the same thing as "being right", especially given online, might makes right.

It's not clear how rules are acted upon most of the time. From reading the rules i Had no idea I could be harassed for saying that some Dragonball figures did not turn up.

Also, he validity of that rule comes under question. Does it really benefit people if it exists? After all - if people need somewhere to go to party, aren't you just screwing them around?

I am desperately trying to explain basic logic to people who don't seem capable of understanding. You have to have some idea how frustrating it is for me. Anyone with real ethics wouldn't bandwagon in knowing how much it sucks to be the underdog.

[Rena Rune]

His rules can be wrong. However, if you find them to be wrong, you shouldn't have joined.

http://www.daizex.com/interaction/board/

At the top it says:

By signing up for and posting on the forum, you agree to these rules.

I agreed to the rules. If I decide that I no longer agree with them, I'll go elsewhere.

Like where exactly? There's 2 major active forums. What if I don't agree with either rule set? Set up my own forum? Hah. Even if there were 20 forums, since they're about the same thing, they could all suck. Some fandoms(like this one) just seem to attract idiots. If a forum actually has a chance of being the one sane forum, it is at fault if it fucks it up.

A forum is part of a social continuum and you have responsibility. Nothing is more "private property" than one's own self, but you cannot do everything you wish with yourself, due to how it may affect others. The same is true here, forums can affect people and other forums.

Also, this is circular reasoning. The admins define the rules. That doesn't make the rules right. There are a limited number of Dragonball forums. Every forum is unique in ways other than the rules, and it's a false dichotomy anyway(logical fallacy).

Trying to act like random corners of the internet are your little kingdoms is childish and absurd, but I have no idea how to explain to you why this is. I guess it's a level of enlightenment you're not ready for. I've tried and you haven't listened.

Rulemongerers, I'm afraid, are not intelligent people. Maybe academically, but you can't even comprehend some of the most basic logical concepts. This is like arguing with mental patients.

And you know what? Most forums have more or less the same rules these days. Most people don't read the. It's how you act on the rules that counts more than anything. What do you have to say to that? Nothing, since there'll be some convenient excuse for not deaing with this point too.

[Freeza Heika]

Let's say I buy a large parcel of open land, and on this large parcel I throw an enormous party. I advertise it all over town, and everyone is invited, but I make it clear that the one rule is that you can't start arguments, that span hours because someone said something that was slightly displeasing to you. Let's say you broke this rule and then compared my rule to kidnapping or some other atrocity, would I be within my rights to tell you to shut the fuck up?

Then again, this has gone beyond reasonable conversation and analogy, so I pose: If you smell like a douche, act like a douche, talk like a douche, and everyone tells you that you're a douche, what does that make you?

"Within your rights" is not the same thing as "being right", especially given online, might makes right.

It's not clear how rules are acted upon most of the time. From reading the rules i Had no idea I could be harassed for saying that some Dragonball figures did not turn up.

Also, he validity of that rule comes under question. Does it really benefit people if it exists? After all - if people need somewhere to go to party, aren't you just screwing them around?

I am desperately trying to explain basic logic to people who don't seem capable of understanding. You have to have some idea how frustrating it is for me. Anyone with real ethics wouldn't bandwagon in knowing how much it sucks to be the underdog.

I will admit that you could be correct. After all, true certainty of anything can never be attained. However, whether you're right or wrong some times it's best to give up. Even Galileo knew it was pointless to argue against the church until he was in a position to tell them to go fuck themselves without consequence (deathbed), and you don't seem like someone on their death bed. You won't turn Super Saiyan and spite the evil forum at the end.

[Raki]

If anybody has a forum about kidnapping children, they would be locked up and jailed. Kidnapping another human being is wrong on all counts. Period. You CAN'T compare the kidnapping of person to not allowing an Off Topic section to a forum.

Why am I even bothering. This is just going to get ignored. li

You damn right. I'm going to watch Dragonball Z Season 7 cause you typing this retarded shit about how you are the underdog and how "logical" you are is silly. Dragonball Z>you, cause that makes sense.

[Innagadadavida]

Let's all get a long. We all love Dragon Ball, right? What do you say!? Let's just drop this silly argument and get used to the fact that we all have different opinions.

I love you guys!!!!!!!!

[Rena Rune]

If anybody has a forum about kidnapping children, they would be locked up and jailed. Kidnapping another human being is wrong on all counts. Period. You CAN'T compare the kidnapping of person to not allowing an Off Topic section to a forum.

Why am I even bothering. This is just going to get ignored. li

You damn right. I'm going to watch Dragonball Z Season 7 cause you typing this retarded shit about how you are the underdog and how "logical" you are is silly. Dragonball Z>you, cause that makes sense.

If you ignored it, how do you know it's bullshit? You've ignored EVERY FUCKING POST I've made thus far.

How can you say what I'm calling logical is silly if you offer no logical proof?

Let's get one thing straight. You are a goddamn moron. I do not say this because I disagree with you. I say this because you contradict yourself at every corner and have no idea how to argee. Also, the shit above.

People like you are why retarded forums like this can maintain their popularity.

[Kaboom]

Mike is NOT a kidnapper, or whatever else you're going to disproportionally compare him to. He runs a DragonBall forum. On the INTERNET. About a CARTOON.

Mike wants to maintain high behavior standards on this forum for everyone's sake, so he has several rules in place to achieve that. He is perfectly within his rights to do so. We agree with those rules because we appreciate the resulting standards. Even some of us who don't completely agree with the rules 100% still put up with them because it's worth it. That's the simple fact of it.

[Rena Rune]

Mike is NOT a kidnapper, or whatever else you're going to disproportionally compare him to. He runs a DragonBall forum. On the INTERNET. About a CARTOON.

Mike wants to maintain high behavior standards on this forum for everyone's sake, so he has several rules in place to achieve that. He is perfectly within his rights to do so. We agree with those rules because we appreciate the resulting standards. Even some of us who don't completely agree with the rules 100% still put up with them because it's worth it. That's the simple fact of it.

It doesn't fucking matter! If admins are fallible in one way, no matter how extreme, they're fallible in every way because you can't decide what's right and wrong without debate, without "complaints". You're posting the same shit over and over. It's as if I'm not ever part of this conservation. Fucking hell.

How in the fuck are you a remotely fair, intelligent person if you keep doing this? You're some of the stupidest fucks I've seen, and I know how stupid fucks work. You'll jump on this part of my post, ignoring the fact that you warranted it by purposely making the argument impossible for me to win, ignoring every fucking thing I said. None of you even consider being wrong. I do, because I actually DEFEND my posts. That is an admission of fallibility and fff you idiots are driving me fucking insane.

[SSJ2bardock]

Wait....... we're still talking about this?

This business got taken...... to another forum?

Wow, I missed a lot in the 2 days that I haven't posted.

[Raki]

Why am I even bothering. This is just going to get ignored. li

You damn right. I'm going to watch Dragonball Z Season 7 cause you typing this retarded shit about how you are the underdog and how "logical" you are is silly. Dragonball Z>you, cause that makes sense.

Let's get one thing straight. You are a goddamn moron. I do not say this because I disagree with you. I say this because you contradict yourself at every corner and have no idea how to argee. Also, the shit above.

People like you are why retarded forums like this can maintain their popularity.

I have yet to contradict my main argument. Mike's rules for his forum stand. He changes them when he wants to. You can't change them cause you aren't Mike(or Meri). You can debate and make up pointless arguments all you want but shit will not change at all. It is what it is. Accept it and keep shit moving.

The bold portion is you contradicting yourself. Like I said, I'm watching Dragonball Z Season Seven. Mr Satan is quite funny, you should watch it sometime.

[Kaboom]

So what exactly ARE you trying to say? Make your overall point in one sentence, so we can deal with it. From what I can tell, it's "I don't like the rules here, and the moderator is a tyrant," but it seems to have gotten lost among all the insults and childish whining.

[Kendamu]

His rules can be wrong. However, if you find them to be wrong, you shouldn't have joined.

http://www.daizex.com/interaction/board/

At the top it says:

By signing up for and posting on the forum, you agree to these rules.

I agreed to the rules. If I decide that I no longer agree with them, I'll go elsewhere.

Like where exactly? There's 2 major active forums.

GameFAQs, YouTube, Atari, Pojo, My Favorite Games, and FUNimation all come to mind as places with active Dragonball forums.

What if I don't agree with either rule set? Set up my own forum? Hah. Even if there were 20 forums, since they're about the same thing, they could all suck. Some fandoms(like this one) just seem to attract idiots. If a forum actually has a chance of being the one sane forum, it is at fault if it fucks it up.

You're the only one right now, besides maybe gokuden553, who probably thinks that. Of course, at least gokuden553 tried to establish something himself instead of whining about this place.

A forum is part of a social continuum and you have responsibility. Nothing is more "private property" than one's own self, but you cannot do everything you wish with yourself, due to how it may affect others. The same is true here, forums can affect people and other forums.

Also, this is circular reasoning. The admins define the rules. That doesn't make the rules right. There are a limited number of Dragonball forums. Every forum is unique in ways other than the rules, and it's a false dichotomy anyway(logical fallacy).

However, upon joining, you agree to the rules whether they're right or wrong. If you agree to them, I guess it doesn't matter. Since you don't, you need to take it up with the guy who makes the rules (Mike) or simply leave.

Trying to act like random corners of the internet are your little kingdoms is childish and absurd, but I have no idea how to explain to you why this is. I guess it's a level of enlightenment you're not ready for. I've tried and you haven't listened.

When you pay for something, like space for a website, it becomes yours. The next authority above you would be the company that provided that space for your website. When you let other people use that space, your rules apply unless they go against the rules of the people who you bought the space off of.

Shoving feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken. You're experiencing premature enlightenment.

Rulemongerers, I'm afraid, are not intelligent people. Maybe academically, but you can't even comprehend some of the most basic logical concepts. This is like arguing with mental patients.

You're ignoring that we agreed to these rules of our own free will and choose to abide by them while we're here. If we no longer wish to do so, we can go elsewhere of our own free will. Also, there are many types of mental patients out there. Many that I've come across are perfectly reasonable people except that they're experienced some sort of trauma that they have to work through before joining the outside world again. I don't think they'd appreciate your insults.

And you know what? Most forums have more or less the same rules these days. Most people don't read the. It's how you act on the rules that counts more than anything. What do you have to say to that? Nothing, since there'll be some convenient excuse for not deaing with this point too.

We're not most people. We're Daizenshuu EX. We read the rules to this place and agreed to them before posting here. If you can't understand that, maybe you don't belong here.

[Rena Rune]

You know what, people are acting like this isn't a big deal.

It is a fucking HUGE deal.

Arguments online are cookie cutter. This could just as easily be about gay marriage, the death penalty, some war, paedophilia, anything.

When people refuse logic, there is no hope. People ignore all my reasoning and pull complete shit out of their ass again and again which is based on the assumption that I also posted the exact same thing.

There is no hope for anything this way. If this is what human beings are like, there is no way anything can move forward. If people only defend their social structure, and don't acknowledge when their logic is flawed, going by constant majority rule, society can never move forward.

If people can't argue about the simplest things maturely and intelligently, nothing can be argued about intelligently. If people refuse to acknowledge their argument is a strawman or appea to emotion here, they'll do it anywhere.

Corrupt laws get made, wars get started because of the same idiotic thinking in this thead. Nobody in this thread except for Tweaker and a tiny handful of others should be allowed to vote. You don't reason your thoughts - why would your choice be anything but random incoherent nonsense?

You ignore posts, presume their content, and then blast that person for posting "bullshit". God fucking damn.

Congratulations, your immense unfriendliness and stupidity has caused me to loose faith in humanity.

This is, without a doubt, a perfect example of how a "private property" can harm someone undoubtedly. I wonder if you'll ever stop making excuses for your lack of responsibility.

[Raki]

This could have been avoided if you got your figures on time.

[Rena Rune]

We're not most people. We're Daizenshuu EX. We read the rules to this place and agreed to them before posting here. If you can't understand that, maybe you don't belong here.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM NOT AT A LOWER LEVEL THAN YOU. I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I THINK IT'S BULLSHIT.

GameFAQs, YouTube, Atari, Pojo, My Favorite Games, and FUNimation all come to mind as places with active Dragonball forums.

Active is not 5 posts a day. Only here and MFG are active.

You're the only one right now, besides maybe gokuden553, who probably thinks that.

THAT DOESN'T MATTER. HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK SOMETHING HAS NO BEARING ON HOW CORRECT IT IS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT APPEAL TO THE MAJORITY MEANS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A LOGICAL FALLACY IS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT LOGIC IS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANYTHING IS.

However, upon joining, you agree to the rules whether they're right or wrong. If you agree to them, I guess it doesn't matter. Since you don't, you need to take it up with the guy who makes the rules (Mike) or simply leave.

MIKE IS A USELESS FUCKING SHITHEAD WHO DOESN'T LISTEN TO ANYONE BUT HIMSELF. THERE WAS NOTHING INFORM ME OF THIS BEFORE I JOINED.

When you pay for something, like space for a website, it becomes yours. The next authority above you would be the company that provided that space for your website. When you let other people use that space, your rules apply unless they go against the rules of the people who you bought the space off of.

Shoving feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken. You're experiencing premature enlightenment.

IF I PURCHASE A GUN IT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN SHOOT RANDOM PEOPLE WITH IT. IF I PURCHASE FUCKING DYNAMITE IT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN LAY TRAPS AROUND FOR PEOPLE.

AND GOD FUCKING DAMN THERE IS NO WHY OR BECAUSE THERE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND FUCKING THING ABOUT ARGUING. ARGUING IS ALL WHY AND BECAUSE AND YU HAVE NONE. "When you let other people use that space, your rules apply unless they go against the rules of the people who you bought the space off of. This should be because..." BUT THIS IS NOT HOW YOU DID IT. YOUR ARGUMENT IS SHIT SINCE NONE OF YOUR POSTS ARE DEFENDED.

You're ignoring that we agreed to these rules of our own free will

DRONES ARE ALWAYS GOING TO THINK THEY DO THINKS OUT OF FREE WILL. GODDAMN. WHO ADMIS TO BEING A DRONE?

I'M HOPING TYPING IN BIG AGGRESSIVE LETTERS MADE IT EASIER TO READ FOR YOU.