"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[sailorspazz]

The one thing that is confusing is that freizas men saw what we assume to be the Super Dragon Ball and Champa looking at it as well, then we time skip to the end of the Freeza fight. It's kinda weird. I hope those gaps are filled in later

Perhaps they originally planned to do the Freeza arc, which is why they started setting it up, but then those in charge decided to change it up and move on to the new stuff. Maybe they heard a lot of complaints about Super repeating material that we've already seen, and worried that fans would stop watching/reading/buying merchandise, so they chose to start adapting new material to keep the audience interested. Plus, as has been already pointed out, Toyotarou drew the Resurrection F teaser manga just a few months ago, so there'd be very little point in drawing it yet again. Even though they introduced the concept of giant Super Dragon Balls, it seems Freeza's army still ended up going to Earth instead, so there probably aren't enough differences to justify doing it over.

[Xeztin]

If they ever put it all into a volume release, I hope they add the ROF teaser manga, along with the fight with Freeza. He could do the fight in one bonus chapter. I know the animangas coming out, but I'd like to see Toyotaro's take.

[alakazam^]

Guys, does anyone here own the November issue of V-Jump?

[Araki]

The one thing that is confusing is that freizas men saw what we assume to be the Super Dragon Ball and Champa looking at it as well, then we time skip to the end of the Freeza fight. It's kinda weird. I hope those gaps are filled in later

Perhaps they originally planned to do the Freeza arc, which is why they started setting it up, but then those in charge decided to change it up and move on to the new stuff. Maybe they heard a lot of complaints about Super repeating material that we've already seen, and worried that fans would stop watching/reading/buying merchandise, so they chose to start adapting new material to keep the audience interested. Plus, as has been already pointed out, Toyotarou drew the Resurrection F teaser manga just a few months ago, so there'd be very little point in drawing it yet again. Even though they introduced the concept of giant Super Dragon Balls, it seems Freeza's army still ended up going to Earth instead, so there probably aren't enough differences to justify doing it over.

I don't see what needs to be filled, that scene was over, and not in the way eledoremassis02 said. They saw a Super Dragon Ball, but Champa took it (presumably using the way hinted on episode 16), destroyed their ship and went away back to U6, that was how ch. 4 ended. The ship was destroyed before they could contact Sorbet, then Sorbet says they should find a planet with Dragon Balls. RoF starts here.

I'm pretty sure they planned to skip RoF in the manga from the get go, and that's why they were covering the Champa stuff earlier than the anime. So the manga can now skip RoF comfortably, while the anime will get into those scenes just now.

[eledoremassis02]

The one thing that is confusing is that freizas men saw what we assume to be the Super Dragon Ball and Champa looking at it as well, then we time skip to the end of the Freeza fight. It's kinda weird. I hope those gaps are filled in later

Perhaps they originally planned to do the Freeza arc, which is why they started setting it up, but then those in charge decided to change it up and move on to the new stuff. Maybe they heard a lot of complaints about Super repeating material that we've already seen, and worried that fans would stop watching/reading/buying merchandise, so they chose to start adapting new material to keep the audience interested. Plus, as has been already pointed out, Toyotarou drew the Resurrection F teaser manga just a few months ago, so there'd be very little point in drawing it yet again. Even though they introduced the concept of giant Super Dragon Balls, it seems Freeza's army still ended up going to Earth instead, so there probably aren't enough differences to justify doing it over.

I don't see what needs to be filled, that scene was over, and not in the way eledoremassis02 said. They saw a Super Dragon Ball, but Champa took it (presumably using the way hinted on episode 16), destroyed their ship and went away back to U6, that was how ch. 4 ended. The ship was destroyed before they could contact Sorbet, then Sorbet says they should find a planet with Dragon Balls. RoF starts here.

I'm pretty sure they planned to skip RoF in the manga from the get go, and that's why they were covering the Champa stuff earlier than the anime. So the manga can now skip RoF comfortably, while the anime will get into those scenes just now.

I see. I havent seen the anime in a while and it just seemed abrupt in the manga and not mentioned in the next chapter

[Brettjr25]

Well since manga skipped ahead, I really hope that they don't forget that at this point Bulma should be pregnant at this point. Bra is 1 year younger than Pan. Pan was born before the 4 month training of Freeza. So given the whole 9 month thing, she should be pregnant now. I guess if they want they could delay it, she could be a year and 11 months older than Pan I guess. Anyway I sort of hope something special is done or something alluding to eat like cravings. I don't want Vegeta to just come back from Universe 6 and Bulma surprises him with another kid.

[Oracle]

I wonder, is there going to be a Vados' signature or symbol? How would it be? Do they have a Yogen-gyo with them?
I want it to be a pink girl version of the one of the universe 7
Looking forward for november issue.

[irreality]

Well, they are born on sequential calendar years, but Pan could be almost 2 years older depending on when she was born. If this is about 6 months after Bulma's birthday and Pan is a month old, Pan could have been born January 779 and Bra could have been born as late as December 780.

It wouldn't make sense for Bulma to be pregnant *now* since Vegeta has been gone for 6 months. It would be more logical for Bra to be conceived either after Freeza (midway through 779) or at some later point.

[Brettjr25]

You're confusing the anime and manga. Vegeta's been gone 7-8months in the anime right now which is before Freeza arrives. The manga takes place after which includes the 4 months that Freeza has been training. We don't know what happens during that time and it's possible that Vegeta made a trip back home. But if he didn't and Vegeta impregnates Bulma after the death of Freeza that would make Bra a min of 1 yr and 8 months younger than Pan, which would technically keep her only a year younger I guess.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Assuming that Super!Beerus also takes place in AGE 778, and including all the relevant details that us fans like to obsess over more than the creators, the timeline should look something like this...

August 16th - 17th, AGE 778
--Videl becomes pregnant.

• [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 year old by the time the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai is held at May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the earliest point in which Videl may have become pregnant before the Super Saiyan God ritual. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]

August 18th, AGE 778
--Hakaishin Beerus awakens and crashes Bluma's birthday party in search of the Super Saiyan God.

• [Note: Bluma's birthday is from an old issue of Jump.]

November, AGE 778
--Vegeta convinces Whis to train him.

• [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. During Episode 16, Whis says it's been awhile since he last saw Vegeta and that he doesn't tire of Earth's food no matter how often he visits. So I'm assuming a decent amount of time has passed, so I'm saying around 3 months, with at least one visit a month.]

May 8th - 9th, AGE 779
--Gohan and Videl's daughter Pan is born.

• [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 year old by the time the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai is held at May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the latest that Pan can be born without being overdue. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]

June, AGE 779
--It's discussed how Pan will be raised, and Goku learns Vegeta is training with Whis.

• [Note: Bluma says that Vegeta has been gone for over half a year without coming home. Gohan also says that Pan isn't a newborn, and is able to hold her head up, which is something that happens around a month after their birth. The 7 month range stated here fits both requirements.]

June - July, AGE 779
--Goku convinces Whis to train him.

• [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. I'm going to assume it's one or less, for the sake of fitting everything else in the rest of the year.]

July - August, AGE 779
--Sorbet and Tagoma travel to Earth and resurrect Freeza with the Dragon Balls.

• [Note: In conjunction with the below entry, this is as far back as we can go for Freeza's resurrection to not have happened yet in Super Episode #17, but still have room for him to train for 4-6 months. It's not actually enough for Piccolo's half a year statement to work perfectly in terms of months themselves, but if it happens in early July and the battle in late December, it's close enough with very little rounding. Might change in Super.]

October - December, AGE 779
--Freeza arrives on Earth to carry out his revenge.

• [Note: Freeza says he'll train for 4 months, but Piccolo says that the Dragon Balls were used half a year ago. There is no indication to who is right, so it's just the whole range. Might change in Super.]

This still leaves all 12 months of AGE 780 for Bluma to get pregnant and give birth to Bra.

[Sandubadear]

Hey, I was thinking about making a Super timeline just a few hours ago. In my head it went similarly, congratulations

[Noah]

This still leaves all 12 months of AGE 780 for Bluma to get pregnant and give birth to Bra.

Nice! Thanks TheDevilsCorpse

[alakazam^]

Nice timeline analysis just remember that Freeza can't have been ressurected in July because that'd be less than a year from Bulma's birthday. It doesn't change much but just wanted to point that out.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Shenlong didn't grant a wish though. He simply gave information. In Super, Gohan and Kuririn even acknowledge that Shenlong just ran away.

Regardless of whether it counts as a wish or not though, when Shenlong can grant more than one wish, using only one of them renders the balls inactive for a shorter period of time. If he still has 3 wishes, like in the Buu Arc, they would be active again after 4 months. So even if a year hasn't passed, they could still get 2 wishes out of the summoning.

[Doctor.]

Shenlong didn't grant a wish though. He simply gave information. In Super, Gohan and Kuririn even acknowledge that Shenlong just ran away.

Even if he did grant one wish, the balls can still be used four months later.

Edit: Oops, you edited your post.

[Kuririn Fan]

It's funny that some people think Oob is no longer canon (some even think he is GT only character and not canon anyway), but they don't understand that Kid Boo is defeated and that Goku already wished for him to be reincarnated.

[Noah]

It's funny that some people think Oob is no longer canon (some even think he is GT only character and not canon anyway), but they don't understand that Kid Boo is defeated and that Goku already wished for him to be reincarnated.

Some people say the same about Pan, laughable

[Brettjr25]

Assuming that Super!Beerus also takes place in AGE 778, and including all the relevant details that us fans like to obsess over more than the creators, the timeline should look something like this...

August 16th - 17th, AGE 778
--Videl becomes pregnant.

• [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 year old by the time the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai is held at May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the earliest point in which Videl may have become pregnant before the Super Saiyan God ritual. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]

August 18th, AGE 778
--Hakaishin Beerus awakens and crashes Bluma's birthday party in search of the Super Saiyan God.

• [Note: Bluma's birthday is from an old issue of Jump.]

November, AGE 778
--Vegeta convinces Whis to train him.

• [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. During Episode 16, Whis says it's been awhile since he last saw Vegeta and that he doesn't tire of Earth's food no matter how often he visits. So I'm assuming a decent amount of time has passed, so I'm saying around 3 months, with at least one visit a month.]

May 8th - 9th, AGE 779
--Gohan and Videl's daughter Pan is born.

• [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 year old by the time the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai is held at May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the latest that Pan can be born without being overdue. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]

June, AGE 779
--It's discussed how Pan will be raised, and Goku learns Vegeta is training with Whis.

• [Note: Bluma says that Vegeta has been gone for over half a year without coming home. Gohan also says that Pan isn't a newborn, and is able to hold her head up, which is something that happens around a month after their birth. The 7 month range stated here fits both requirements.]

June - July, AGE 779
--Goku convinces Whis to train him.

• [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. I'm going to assume it's one or less, for the sake of fitting everything else in the rest of the year.]

July - August, AGE 779
--Sorbet and Tagoma travel to Earth and resurrect Freeza with the Dragon Balls.

• [Note: In conjunction with the below entry, this is as far back as we can go for Freeza's resurrection to not have happened yet in Super Episode #17, but still have room for him to train for 4-6 months. It's not actually enough for Piccolo's half a year statement to work perfectly in terms of months themselves, but if it happens in early July and the battle in late December, it's close enough with very little rounding. Might change in Super.]

October - December, AGE 779
--Freeza arrives on Earth to carry out his revenge.

• [Note: Freeza says he'll train for 4 months, but Piccolo says that the Dragon Balls were used half a year ago. There is no indication to who is right, so it's just the whole range. Might change in Super.]

This still leaves all 12 months of AGE 780 for Bluma to get pregnant and give birth to Bra.

No it doesnt. A person birthdate is when they are born not conceived. This only leaves the first 3 months not 12, any later and Bra will be born in 781 contradicting previous information although thats the norm nowadays in dragon ball. So like I said earlier at most she can be a year and 8 months older.

[miguelnuva1]

Who else feels like their going to forget Bra.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No it doesnt. A person birthdate is when they are born not conceived. This only leaves the first 3 months not 12, any later and Bra will be born in 781 contradicting previous information although thats the norm nowadays in dragon ball. So like I said earlier at most she can be a year and 8 months older.

Yes, that's common sense. I said she can get pregnant and give birth to Bra at any point in the year, not that she can get pregnant any time during the year and then pop out the kid on the next calendar year. Obviously there will be a 9 month gap between point A and point B. The point was that AGE 780 is not currently obstructed by any events. So point A and point B can fall anywhere they need to.