The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

He's nowhere near that high, what gave you that idea?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

He's nowhere near that high, what gave you that idea?

Just because he can't use ki and can't fly doesn't mean he's very weak. After all I haven't seen anything confirming him being incredibly weak either.

There were also other formidable fighters throughout DB in the Budokai's that compared to the Z fighters who couldn't really use ki.. Why shouldn't Hercule stack up to some of them?

[rereboy]

He's nowhere near that high, what gave you that idea?

Just because he can't use ki and can't fly doesn't mean he's very weak. After all I haven't seen anything confirming him being incredibly weak either.

There were also other formidable fighters throughout DB in the Budokai's that compared to the Z fighters who couldn't really use ki.. Why shouldn't (the H-word) stack up to some of them?

Goku with a power level of 10 lifted a 1 ton car and broke apart a rock as big as him. Yamcha in the Pilaf arc was able to punch Goku through a couple of rock boulders. Mr. Satan can break 20 or 30 tiles with one hit. Yeah...

[RandomGuy96]

Also, he can be killed by a single bullet and Toriyama said he was weaker than Bob Sapp.

[rereboy]

Yet, you say that Yamcha is weaker than him.

[RandomGuy96]

Yet, you say that Yamcha is weaker than him.

The anime version of him has some impressively super-human feats, to the point where the bullet comes across as more of an outlier (also, nothing says Yamcha can survive a bullet at that point).

[rereboy]

Yet, you say that Yamcha is weaker than him.

The anime version of him has some impressively super-human feats, to the point where the bullet comes across as more of an outlier (also, nothing says Yamcha can survive a bullet at that point).

Non-gag feats?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Manga Mr. Satan < Bob Sapp.

Can Bob Sapp break 15 14 roofing tiles?

[xmysticgohanx]

Also, he can be killed by a single bullet and Toriyama said he was weaker than Bob Sapp.

Are you sure he wasn't joking?

[RandomGuy96]

Yet, you say that Yamcha is weaker than him.

The anime version of him has some impressively super-human feats, to the point where the bullet comes across as more of an outlier (also, nothing says Yamcha can survive a bullet at that point).

Non-gag feats?

Leaping up very high in the air off of leg strength (judging by how long it took him to drop back down). Casually sending 7-foot muscle bound freak Spopovich flying a good distance with one kick. Flash-stepping. Pulling several buses. Also, the feat of surviving being slapped into a mountain comes off as legitimate rather than gag-y in the anime when considering these other things.

Are you sure he wasn't joking?

I don't see a reason to think that he was, since manga Mr. Satan doesn't do anything special or impressive outside of the gags with Buu and Cell.

[rereboy]

Leaping up very high in the air off of leg strength (judging by how long it took him to drop back down). Casually sending 7-foot muscle bound freak Spopovich flying a good distance with one kick. Flash-stepping. Pulling several buses. Also, the feat of surviving being slapped into a mountain comes off as legitimate rather than gag-y in the anime when considering these other things.

Men in real life can pull several buses. I've seen one pull a big plane. They have wheels so that is not a superhuman feat. As for the rest, that's nothing pilaf arc Yamcha couldn't do, and surviving hits from Cell or Buu was obviously handled for comedy. But anime Mr. Satan couldn't do this:



He couldn't even break 30 tiles with a direct hit, let alone break several rock boulders with an indirect hit. And this is in the anime too.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Makes it seem like Power Levels in DB have completely different rules than DBZ. In DBZ, a number twice as high means twice as strong, yet in DB apparently a number twice as high means 5-6x stronger....

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Bringing up a somewhat old topic, but I'm just now watching through ep. 12 of Dragon Ball Z Kai (dialogue is more accurate..) and after Goku countered Nappa's "mouth blast" (whatever the heck its called ) it sounds more and more like Nappa was almost even with Goku in raw power.

Goku states "if I had taken that blast head on, I might not have been in very good shape!" - then goes on saying "You really are a tough one, huh? Neither of us are going to make much headway at this rate." It seems to me Nappa has the ability to indeed raise his battle power, earlier it looks like 4,000 was a reasonable number when the Z fighters were being wiped out one by one, but at this point in the battle he was outputting much more than 4,000 if you ask me. Plus, Nappa's and Goku's fists made contact a couple of times, exchanging blows. Not putting him at 8,000 but perhaps 7,000 or a little higher sounds doable

Goku was concerned with his fight with Nappa, even to the point where he began countering Nappa's moves. And then goes on saying that one his blasts would have HURT him.. There is no instance in any fight in DBZ, where you have someone with a battle power twice as low, capable of hurting the other opponent.

[Hugo Boss]

But then you have Vegeta trading blows with Goku and he can even counter a kaioken's rush before using his true power.

[RandomGuy96]

Bringing up a somewhat old topic, but I'm just now watching through ep. 12 of Dragon Ball Z Kai (dialogue is more accurate..) and after Goku countered Nappa's "mouth blast" (whatever the heck its called ) it sounds more and more like Nappa was almost even with Goku in raw power.

Goku states "if I had taken that blast head on, I might not have been in very good shape!" - then goes on saying "You really are a tough one, huh? Neither of us are going to make much headway at this rate." It seems to me Nappa has the ability to indeed raise his battle power, earlier it looks like 4,000 was a reasonable number when the Z fighters were being wiped out one by one, but at this point in the battle he was outputting much more than 4,000 if you ask me. Plus, Nappa's and Goku's fists made contact a couple of times, exchanging blows. Not putting him at 8,000 but perhaps 7,000 or a little higher sounds doable

Goku was concerned with his fight with Nappa, even to the point where he began countering Nappa's moves. And then goes on saying that one his blasts would have HURT him.. There is no instance in any fight in DBZ, where you have someone with a battle power twice as low, capable of hurting the other opponent.

The punches colliding isn't in the manga.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

That still leaves the fact that Nappa's mouth blast would have hurt Goku if he didn't counter it with his kamehameha.

[RandomGuy96]

That still leaves the fact that Nappa's mouth blast would have hurt Goku if he didn't counter it with his kamehameha.

Large ki blasts can be beyond your own regular power. Nappa called that attack his best technique.

[rereboy]

Large ki blasts can be beyond your own regular power. Nappa called that attack his best technique.

That probably just means that its his most effective technique.

[Blackstripe]

Here's a quick scenario for you.

So, the Red Ribbon Army has been on the rampage across the world in their hunt for the Dragon Balls and the King of the Earth has had enough. He orders the King's Guard and the rest of the Earth's Army to amass and prepare to launch an all out attack on the Red Ribbon Army's headquarters, which his spies have located.

The army is basically the same one they sent against Cell.

How does this battle proceed?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Here's a quick scenario for you.

So, the Red Ribbon Army has been on the rampage across the world in their hunt for the Dragon Balls and the King of the Earth has had enough. He orders the King's Guard and the rest of the Earth's Army to amass and prepare to launch an all out attack on the Red Ribbon Army's headquarters, which his spies have located.

The army is basically the same one they sent against Cell.

How does this battle proceed?

If the army that fought Cell was the entirety of the world's armed forces.... they need to institute a draft.