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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:32 pm

Yeah she did in the manga too, although I think its implied that he was holding back because she was a girl. I don't think he got serious until she used the sneak attack on him.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:36 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Base Goku (Buu Saga) VS 100% Freeza
Goku is still not strong enough to beat Freeza according to Beerus, so Freeza wins.
Ah I totally forgot about that! It's been months since I saw the movie. Ya he can sense powers and compare easily, since he's a God.

So I guess I'll put Goku between 60-80 million at base or something.
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:37 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Whis VS Omega Shenron

Base Goku (Buu Saga) VS 100% Freeza
Omega Shenron stomps and Beerus said Base Goku < Final Form Freeza
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:42 pm

Multiverse Broly vs Beerus
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:48 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
We know Beerus and Whis are stronger than anyone in DBZ,
No, we don't.
Kaio was sure that nothing that the Z-Senshi could do would be enough to stop Beerus (the biggest thing they did was Super Vegetto, and the biggest thing they could potentially do was SS3 Vegetto), Vegeta was also sure that nothing would work against him, Goku was surprised that such power existed (referring to the power of Super Saiyan God), and the Potara were never suggested. It is heavily implied that God Goku > SS3 Vegetto.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:20 am

Bout the potara thing. Them not suggesting it doesn't factor in, Goku wasn't with Vegeta till the end and don't forget the since Beerus is one person Goku would find it cheating. Similar to Pure Boo.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:42 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Bout the potara thing. Them not suggesting it doesn't factor in, Goku wasn't with Vegeta till the end
There was nothing holding Goku back from going to Vegeta. Kaio could have suggested to Vegeta to buy some time for Goku to go & get the Potara from Kaioshin (we saw him wearing them), and then they could fight him as Vegetto in case he was to threaten them. Instead, he told Vegeta to play the nice guy, because Beerus was the strongest in the universe and they don't stand a chance against him.
and don't forget the since Beerus is one person Goku would find it cheating. Similar to Pure Boo.
Using Super Saiyan God is the same as using Fusion or Potara, and Goku was already annoyed by using it.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:47 am

Potara:
I'm trying to stay in universe so I won't say my real thoughts. Simple Goku told Kaio not to.

Ssg:
Goku didn't know that until Shenlong told him. Beerus wanted a SSG so he got one.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:10 am

TheGmGoken wrote:I'm trying to stay in universe so I won't say my real thoughts. Simple Goku told Kaio not to.
But we never saw that in the movie, so assuming that Kaio suggested this off-screen is purely an assumption.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:26 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I'm trying to stay in universe so I won't say my real thoughts. Simple Goku told Kaio not to.
But we never saw that in the movie, so assuming that Kaio suggested this off-screen is purely an assumption.
We also never saw why Kaio got a planet yet everyone just say he made a new one. Guess we only can assume
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:52 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I'm trying to stay in universe so I won't say my real thoughts. Simple Goku told Kaio not to.
But we never saw that in the movie, so assuming that Kaio suggested this off-screen is purely an assumption.
We also never saw why Kaio got a planet yet everyone just say he made a new one. Guess we only can assume
The difference is, Kaio's planet is suddenly there, so we have to make an assumption. The only reason to assume that Kaio suggested the Potara is for fan-boy reasons to make Vegetto stronger than Beerus.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:33 pm

Really fanboy reasons. That's nice..way to describe it. Even though I'm not a Vegetto fanboy. Not even close. So please don't refer to me as one. Goku could easily turn it down. Just like during Boo.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:04 pm

I wasn't referring to you, I don't even know how you think that Vegetto compares to Whis/Beerus/God Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:20 pm

There are no earrings left. Goku and Vegeta broke them all.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:28 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:There are no earrings left. Goku and Vegeta broke them all.
Kibito Kai have earings in movie. Despite Goku breaking them
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Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:47 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Whis VS Omega Shenron
This is how I see comparisons between the god-tier characters:
Spoiler:
Base Goku (Buu Saga) VS 100% Freeza
Something like 80M vs 120M

It would be a good fight between Goku vs 70% Freeza or Kaioken Goku vs 100% Freeza.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:54 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:There are no earrings left. Goku and Vegeta broke them all.
Kibito Kai have earings in movie. Despite Goku breaking them
They're probably fake. Like the ones Kaioshin materialized on Gohan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:21 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:There are no earrings left. Goku and Vegeta broke them all.
Kibito Kai have earings in movie. Despite Goku breaking them
They're probably fake. Like the ones Kaioshin materialized on Gohan.
But maybe they are not. We can't know.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:There are no earrings left. Goku and Vegeta broke them all.
Kibito Kai have earings in movie. Despite Goku breaking them
They're probably fake. Like the ones Kaioshin materialized on Gohan.
What says that those are were fake?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:00 pm

If they could just materialize new ones whenever they want, why would they be so special, and why would breaking them be such a big deal?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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