Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[ArchedThunder]

Two new directors, both from Tiger Mask. Very, very interesting. Hopefully the episodes past 100 have some Tiger Mask animators!
Make me feel better about my guess of Yoichi Onishi returning as a supervisor in August.

I feel like 99 and 100 have their supervisors backwards though, Ishikawa with 7 weeks followed by Yashima with 9? Yashima getting the Kale episode seems weird as well.

[Psykomatik]

Two new directors, both from Tiger Mask. Very, very interesting. Hopefully the episodes past 100 have some Tiger Mask animators!
Make me feel better about my guess of Yoichi Onishi returning as a supervisor in August.

I feel like 99 and 100 have their supervisors backwards though, Ishikawa with 7 weeks followed by Yashima with 9? Yashima getting the Kale episode seems weird as well.

Masato Mitsuka isn't new. He directed episode 94, and it was wonderful!

[Lord Beerus]

He wrote a majority of the Black arc and the first 8 episodes of this arc (if you count the Krillin mini arc beforehand) so just find it odd is all.

Atsuhiro Tomioka is the best writer Super has right now and I really hope we see more of him.

I don't want this to last long because this is not the main topic of the thread, but he's definitely not the best writer, King Ryu and Toshio Yoshitaka are definitely better.

Eh. I like King Ryu and Toshio Yoshitaka's work on the series, but I prefer Atsuhiro Tomioka in all honesty.

[ArchedThunder]

Masato Mitsuka isn't new. He directed episode 94, and it was wonderful!

Whoops, my bad.
Masayoshi Nishida is new though.

[Chuquita]

He wrote a majority of the Black arc and the first 8 episodes of this arc (if you count the Krillin mini arc beforehand) so just find it odd is all.

Atsuhiro Tomioka is the best writer Super has right now and I really hope we see more of him.

I don't want this to last long because this is not the main topic of the thread, but he's definitely not the best writer, King Ryu and Toshio Yoshitaka are definitely better.

I agree. I enjoy King Ryu and Toshio so much more. King Ryu is my favorite.
Tomioka doesn't have that enjoyable character interaction that the two of them have. He moves the plot along, but the characters aren't as fun under him.


On topic; happy to have gotten some staff here from Toei's Tiger Mask. I don't follow that show, but hear it has good staff.

[emperior]

I'm not that happy about Yashima having episode 100, I don't like his art.
I'm happy about having Tiger Mask W staff, hopefully they will also grab some animators from that show,

[Nasryyy]

I'm not that happy about Yashima having episode 100, I don't like his art.
I'm happy about having Tiger Mask W staff, hopefully they will also grab some animators from that show,

we gotta be happy that we have a guy like yashima who can animate an episode by himself and give other animators more time, and this is the 1st time he has 9 weeks to animate and supervise an episode so i guess it will be great, and about his art it's usually gets corrected by 2nd key animators and chief animation supervisors so you won't notice it a lot

[ArchedThunder]

Yashima getting 9 weeks for his next episode is so strange to me (assuming the staff list isn't messed up again this month), in my mind it would make much more sense to give him episode 99 and give Ishikawa 100. I wonder if Yashima is going to have 100 finished ahead of schedule and work on episodes that are around 100 as well. Hopefully Yashima will have a good animator or two with him to make sure that Kale's stuff looks nice.

I'm a bit surprised that Manabe comes before Nashizawa, but at least he's getting 8 weeks, hopefully we see some really nice stuff from him.

As for Nashizawa, episode 102 is 7 weeks after he showed up to do some animation for 95, I wonder when he finished his work on 95 and started on 102. He was really low on the staff list for 95 and I would assume the work he did on that episode didn't eat up the entire 6 weeks between it and 89. I guess there is always the possibility that he took some sort of short break between 89 and 95.

[Psykomatik]

Yashima getting 9 weeks for his next episode is so strange to me (assuming the staff list isn't messed up again this month), in my mind it would make much more sense to give him episode 99 and give Ishikawa 100. I wonder if Yashima is going to have 100 finished ahead of schedule and work on episodes that are around 100 as well. Hopefully Yashima will have a good animator or two with him to make sure that Kale's stuff looks nice.

I'm a bit surprised that Manabe comes before Nashizawa, but at least he's getting 8 weeks, hopefully we see some really nice stuff from him.

As for Nashizawa, episode 102 is 7 weeks after he showed up to do some animation for 95, I wonder when he finished his work on 95 and started on 102. He was really low on the staff list for 95 and I would assume the work he did on that episode didn't eat up the entire 6 weeks between it and 89. I guess there is always the possibility that he took some sort of short break between 89 and 95.

99's summaries said that Krilin is going to send three Kienzan, so I believe the cut from 84 where he's doing the same thing to Goku is gonna be re-used, so I think you may be right with Yashima supervising 99, but what's strange is that Yashima is always paired up with Karasawa since episode 70, and I don't see that changing anytime soon, so who knows...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Re-watching some episodes and Itai has really grown on me! Didn't like him at first think I may have called him as bad as Kitano one time but now after re-wathcing some stuff I was kind of surprised, he did some nice SSGSS Goku in #82.

[FortuneSSJ]

-New staff list-

Looks like King Ryu is writing Kale's episode. Interesting! But Yashima as supervisor for that one is disappointing.
We are getting some Tiger Mask W staff as expected, but I'm still waiting for Ryo Onishi to pop up.

[ArchedThunder]

Theories;
Episode 101 will be when we start seeing some animators from Tiger Mask show up and in August we'll see a supervisor from Tiger Mask come over. I'm sticking with my prediction that we'll see Yoichi Onishi return to Super as a supervisor in either episode 103 or 104, but we could end up getting someone else entirely.

[Sodhi]

Really looking forward to 101 and 102. I am expecting them to be really good episodes.It will probably only get better from there.

[ArchedThunder]

Love was given to Tu's work with the butterfly girl, but I'm sad this little cut got glossed over by everyone.

It's simple, but I really like it, I wonder who did it.

Really looking forward to 101 and 102. I am expecting them to be really good episodes.It will probably only get better from there.

Yep, I think 101 is when things are going to start rolling, animation wise (maybe even plot wise).
It's just a shame that 100 is Yashima, I think Kale beating down a lot of guys would be a great way to get things rolling, but I'm going to guess that her beating people down won't be anything too special and since it's going to be short it'll probably all be based on stuff Broly did again. We might get a nice bit of animation here or there in 100 from someone like Higashide though.

[cuartas]

Here I made a bit of an edit on Yamamuro's shot I've previously talked about, it's not a lot of changes, since the major edits i wanted to do would ruin the colors of the shot cause of the filter used. I show some edits on how I would like modern goku to look like, with a few changes on Yamamuro's design
[spoiler][/spoiler]

This is substantialy better, definitely that neck of the original ruins goku, and those little details you added made it much better

[Sodhi]

I wouldn't be surprised if #100 will be completely solo, since Yashima got a lot of time since his last episode. Even in the last episode he had couple of animators.

[Murillo]

Love the things you guys do here. Long time lurker. The reason I created an account was due to the people that made side-by-side comparisons/compilations of the reused animation. I believe making these compilations hurt the show. While this is not an ideal case, the average viewer did not noticed it. Only to find out afterwards by these posts/tweets and then bashing the show. With as low point verbal attacking an animator. (Considering also that we only have a handful of animators nice enough to talk on social media)

For me, these comparisons are of the same category as the infamous SSJ3 Goku comparison in the early days of Super. Even if these comparisons were made with good intentions, in the hands of laymen it is open for misinterpretations.
Personally, I believe these reused animations were a brilliant solution for an opening episode. (Considering how the Kitano opening fight between Frieza and Goku killed the ROF arc eventhough it had really good moments before that and afterwards with Vegeta. But thats what you get if you mess up key moments.)

Don't get me wrong talking every now and then about bad animation is a good thing. It is good for a show to get headlines and to be talked about. Its a bit like the "no such thing as bad publicity" thing to a certain extend. It was episode 5 for many of us that piqued our interest for animation. And it is perfectly understandable and normal why people made these comparisons this week. It was an uncommon and interesting occurence animation-wise.

Buts let's not continue the same topic for the coming episodes. The NEP is hinting that we may get more episodes with reused animation. Lets focus on the (positive) new animations and less attention on reused stuff.

[Ajay]

Love the things you guys do here. Long time lurker. The reason I created an account were the people that made side-by-side comparisons/compilations of the reused animation. I believe making these compilations hurt the show. While this is not an ideal case, the average viewer did not noticed it. Only to find out afterwards by these posts/tweets and then bashing the show. With as low point verbal attacking an animator. (Considering also that we only have a handful of animators nice enough to talk on social media)

For me, these comparisons are of the same category as the infamous SSJ3 Goku comparison in the early days of Super. Even if these comparisons were made with good intentions, in the hands of laymen it is open for misinterpretations.
Personally, I believe these reused animations were a brilliant solution for an opening episode. (Considering how the Kitano opening fight between Frieza and Goku killed the ROF arc eventhough it had really good moments before that and afterwards with Vegeta. But thats what you get if you mess up key moments.)

Don't get me wrong talking every now and then about bad animation is a good thing. It is good for a show to get headlines and to be talked about. Its a bit like the "no such thing as bad publicity" thing to a certain extend. It was episode 5 for many of us that piqued our interest for animation. And it is perfectly understandable and normal why people made these comparisons this week. It was an uncommon and interesting phenomenon animation-wise.

Buts lets not continue the same topic for the coming episodes. The NEP is hinting that we may get more episodes with reused animation. Lets focus on the (positive) new animations and less attention on reused stuff.

I appreciate the sentiment here, but I disagree. I'm in the business of documenting Super's production, not protecting its reputation. That's not my job, that's not your job, that's the shows job. Withholding worthwhile content for the sake of shielding the ignorant doesn't actually help. A side-by-side overview showcasing the reused animation and where it came from is interesting documentation and not at all comparable to the moronic comparisons of an episode 5 inbetween vs a movie still.

I created the side-by-side video that's kind of exploded over the past few days, so I can tell you exactly what sort of response it's had. Fans who didn't notice have seen the video, said they didn't notice, and moved on. Fans that did notice were interested in seeing it laid out for them comprehensively - some even wanted to know more. Fans that mindlessly insult Super at every opportunity latched onto it just like they do any tidbit. This happens with absolutely everything. You cannot pick and choose what information you throw out there because it happens rile up a toxic crowd. They will complain either way.

The best thing you can do is to put out information, explain it thoroughly, and let people make their own conclusions. My only regret is not taking the time to write up this post sooner. Even then, people with their own agendas will still take and twist information to fit their own views. It's inevitable and a simple part of life. I advise you to either do your best to explain the correct information or just ignore it.

If this tournament continues to reuse animation, then it's absolutely still going to be a talking point. There might be plenty of fresh animation that makes up for it, or their might not be. Either way, it's an important bit of context to think about now. It might not need to be the sole talking point, but it's definitely an important one for now.

Welcome to the forum, by the way. I'm sorry our first encounter has us butting heads!

[Nasryyy]

So catalogue update plz

[Murillo]

I appreciate the sentiment here, but I disagree. I'm in the business of documenting Super's production, not protecting its reputation. That's not my job, that's not your job, that's the shows job. Withholding worthwhile content for the sake of shielding the ignorant doesn't actually help. A side-by-side overview showcasing the reused animation and where it came from is interesting documentation and not at all comparable to the moronic comparisons of an episode 5 inbetween vs a movie still.

I created the side-by-side video that's kind of exploded over the past few days, so I can tell you exactly what sort of response it's had. Fans who didn't notice have seen the video, said they didn't notice, and moved on. Fans that did notice were interested in seeing it laid out for them comprehensively - some even wanted to know more. Fans that mindlessly insult Super at every opportunity latched onto it just like they do any tidbit. This happens with absolutely everything. You cannot pick and choose what information you throw out there because it happens rile up a toxic crowd. They will complain either way.

The best thing you can do is to put out information, explain it thoroughly, and let people make their own conclusions. My only regret is not taking the time to write up this post sooner. Even then, people with their own agendas will still take and twist information to fit their own views. It's inevitable and a simple part of life. I advise you to either do your best to explain the correct information or just ignore it.

If this tournament continues to reuse animation, then it's absolutely still going to be a talking point. There might be plenty of fresh animation that makes up for it, or their might not be. Either way, it's an important bit of context to think about now. It might not need to be the sole talking point, but it's definitely an important one for now.

Welcome to the forum, by the way. I'm sorry our first encounter has us butting heads!

Fair enough. I am not a PR guy from Toei In the end, I guess you are right.

(Ajay, keep up the good work, if life allows it. Especially the Youtube videos, I really like them)