It looks like it says something about the ED for 131 is going to change relating to the movie. That lines up with what they told us previously, I think.
Glen300 wrote:This is Google Translate, not really reliable. I will wait for someone to translate correctly. But there is a couple of sentences that I think tells the a little bit about the movie story.
What is the story of this movie?
In this story, the subsequent Goku of TV anime final story will be drawn. The theme is 【Strongest Battle Ethnic / Saiyan】 in the Universe. After "Dragon Ball Z God and God", Gokuu Saiya who has made further evolution such as Super Saiyan God and Blue, and various defense warriors losing it by it are reappeared again [the strongest universe It is a work that depicts the existence of [battle race / Saiya], the [origin] of the strength of Goku.
I believe this is just the text from the initial announcement in December. The official website says the same thing.
The fact that they remodeled Goku to make him easier for the animators to do, because Yamamuro's designs were too hard to keep consistent is enough for me to accept this for the best to experiment with it. (as opposed to Yamamuro's obsession with blocky anatomy, stiff chunky hair, overdone sheen on the hair and glossy skin). I just hope they don't use the smear for when they are actually throwing fists in the fight scenes. Its the one aspect you actually should be able to clearly see make contact. What I hope for is the revival of real Wuxia martial arts body movements again and less of the 'boxing' style they have now.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
Son Vegito wrote:Late to the party. Pretty nice teaser. Really like how they went back to old skool animation style. But for the sake of consistency they should already choose a style. This is the complete opposite of what've got now.
Really hope the Saiyan on the mountain is Yamoshi. Would be cool if the wish in the last episode of Super has something to do with this. Would be a cool cliffhanger.
Meh. Worked for one piece.
Besides, letting different directors have a go at the style can be interesting for franchise. I don't need every movie to look like the tv series.
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:The fact that they remodeled Goku to make him easier for the animators to do, because Yamamuro's designs were too hard to keep consistent is enough for me to accept this for the best to experiment with it. (as opposed to Yamamuro's obsession with blocky anatomy, stiff chunky hair, overdone sheen on the hair and glossy skin). I just hope they don't use the smear for when they are actually throwing fists in the fight scenes. Its the one aspect you actually should be able to clearly see make contact. What I hope for is the revival of real Wuxia martial arts body movements again and less of the 'boxing' style they have now.
I think that if they like this style then they may use it with a new tv series or when Super comes back.
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
So it's confirmed Goku is fighting a saiyan in this?
I wonder if it will be revealed that Goku is a special type of saiyan that surpasses all others a true super saiyan(not the form which s-cells allow you to reach). Which is why despite being low class he was able to keep up with and surpass Vegeta and now this new enemy is a super saiyan like Goku is.
miguelnuva1 wrote:I wonder if it will be revealed that Goku is a special type of Saiyan that surpasses all others a true Super Saiyan(not the form which s-cells allow you to reach). Which is why despite being low class he was able to keep up with and surpass Vegeta and now this new enemy is a Super Saiyan like Goku is.
I hope this never happens, we already had enough of Minus diminishing his backstory, we don't need more.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:The fact that they remodeled Goku to make him easier for the animators to do, because Yamamuro's designs were too hard to keep consistent is enough for me to accept this for the best to experiment with it. (as opposed to Yamamuro's obsession with blocky anatomy, stiff chunky hair, overdone sheen on the hair and glossy skin). I just hope they don't use the smear for when they are actually throwing fists in the fight scenes. Its the one aspect you actually should be able to clearly see make contact. What I hope for is the revival of real Wuxia martial arts body movements again and less of the 'boxing' style they have now.
I think that if they like this style then they may use it with a new tv series or when Super comes back.
What I might want is likely outside of where they focus their detail due to just the modernization of the series since mid-late Z, but at least the animation of this visually looks pleasing enough look fresh a lot like other anime of this decade. Its something the long used Yamamuro designs seemed to lack for me. It stopped feeling
fresh and just looked like we were stuck in the 2003 Budokai art era. Most anime I see with simpler art tends to all have looser animations that makes this fit with today.
jeffbr92 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:I wonder if it will be revealed that Goku is a special type of Saiyan that surpasses all others a true Super Saiyan(not the form which s-cells allow you to reach). Which is why despite being low class he was able to keep up with and surpass Vegeta and now this new enemy is a Super Saiyan like Goku is.
I hope this never happens, we already had enough of Minus diminishing his backstory, we don't need more.
Agreed. I really hope this movie doesn't feel the same as Episode of Bardock, even if the modern DB tone descends from it, but Minus' continuity seems to line up with the S-Cell explanation thing which I am a bit nervous about. If Goku having more S-Cells inherited from Gine, leading to a low base power but high potential is a thing, then it looks like where this is going.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:The fact that they remodeled Goku to make him easier for the animators to do, because Yamamuro's designs were too hard to keep consistent is enough for me to accept this for the best to experiment with it. (as opposed to Yamamuro's obsession with blocky anatomy, stiff chunky hair, overdone sheen on the hair and glossy skin). I just hope they don't use the smear for when they are actually throwing fists in the fight scenes. Its the one aspect you actually should be able to clearly see make contact. What I hope for is the revival of real Wuxia martial arts body movements again and less of the 'boxing' style they have now.
I think that if they like this style then they may use it with a new tv series or when Super comes back.
What I might want is likely outside of where they focus their detail due to just the modernization of the series since mid-late Z, but at least the animation of this visually looks pleasing enough look fresh a lot like other anime of this decade. Its something the long used Yamamuro designs seemed to lack for me. It stopped feeling
fresh and just looked like we were stuck in the 2003 Budokai art era. Most anime I see with simpler art tends to all have looser animations that makes this fit with today.
jeffbr92 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:I wonder if it will be revealed that Goku is a special type of Saiyan that surpasses all others a true Super Saiyan(not the form which s-cells allow you to reach). Which is why despite being low class he was able to keep up with and surpass Vegeta and now this new enemy is a Super Saiyan like Goku is.
I hope this never happens, we already had enough of Minus diminishing his backstory, we don't need more.
Agreed. I really hope this movie doesn't feel the same as Episode of Bardock, even if the modern DB tone descends from it, but Minus' continuity seems to line up with the S-Cell explanation thing which I am a bit nervous about. If Goku having more S-Cells inherited from Gine, leading to a low base power but high potential is a thing, then it looks like where this is going.
I agree that they are improving on how Dragon Ball looks. Also, I don't think that Minus has anything to do with Toriyama's comments in December's interview.
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
majinwarman wrote:I agree that they are improving on how Dragon Ball looks. Also, I don't think that Minus has anything to do with Toriyama's comments in December's interview.
He didn't. Though, my headcanon was on autocorrect mode with saying that it is possible to fix things in order for this retcon to work. If Toriyama could just keep it so that the cost of having High S Cells,for a gentle nature was a weak battle power or a slower progression, then it balance the characters having to get one or the other they lacked; to work on. Instead of making it seem like Goku is just ''special'' because hes Goku.
However its the story about Yamoshi that I still pretty cringy for me. I don't like the "righteous hero" praise being retconned into the Saiyan's culture in modern DB, or how all the new Saiyans look like 10 year old kids.
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Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
majinwarman wrote:I agree that they are improving on how Dragon Ball looks. Also, I don't think that Minus has anything to do with Toriyama's comments in December's interview.
He didn't. Though, my headcanon was on autocorrect mode with saying that it is possible and actually easy to rationalize how they can be merged together into a story for Goku, as much as I dislike it. It does work. If Toriyama could just keep it so that the cost of having High S Cells,for a gentle nature was a weak battle power or a slower progression, then it balance the characters having to get one or the other they lacked; to work on. Then you can just say Goten & Trunks were just born with both. Hence their potential.
However its the story about Yamoshi that I still pretty cringy for me. I don't like the "righteous hero" praise being retconned into the Saiyan's culture in modern DB, or how all the new Saiyans look like 10 year old kids.
jeffbr92 wrote:Toriyama Goku design for the movie:
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What an ugly design. It’s like he’s not even trying anymore.
Toriyama's drawing skills have been shit since the end of the 90s. Look at his designs of the covers for the re-release of the original manga in 2003. On the other hand, the new saiyan for the mobile game looks good, so maybe he still got it.
RedHeat wrote:Toei is supposedly supposed to be dropping even more info about the movie at their booth within the next 24-48hrs so be aware.
Excited! It's like Jump Festa only in March.
Man, here I was thinking this movie wouldn't have anything for me and the teaser goes ahead and baits me with one of the easiest things to bait me into wanting to know more about it; and that's Goku having fun.
I can't imagine they'll have the info drop until after 131 airs, but I could be wrong.
He's thankfully the exception away from Cabba,Tarble & that new guy in the mobile game..
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
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