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by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:44 pm
batistabus wrote:Kaboom wrote:But still, holding out hope for Tapion to somehow be wielding Hildegarn's power and fighting with that instead of his own. He's got to have SOME form of impressive strength at his disposal, otherwise he wouldn't have been selected for the tournament in the first place.
This is what I'm hoping for. When Goku sensed a powerful Ki...couldn't it have just been Hildegarn? Tapion does little-to-nothing in the way of fighting, and this seems like a great way to make him a contender.
Hmm...that's actually possible maybe, that the power Goku sensed was Hildegarn's own, not Tapion's. I never thought of that.
Still though, I can't believe that Tapion isn't at least...geez, I dunno. I really don't know where I'd put him, but you'd think he'd have to be fairly strong to even survive keeping Hildegarn inside of him like that.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:56 pm
I believe that the most likely to happen is Tapion summoning & controlling Hildegarn.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by rereboy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:31 pm
Tapion being very weak is not a problem at all, in my opinion. Not being able to fly however, when he did so in the movie (without the monster inside him)...
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by Saiga » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:44 pm
Salagir uses the characters from the movies, but since they're not part of the manga he just makes up whatever the hell he wants for them.
Still, weaker than Raditz? There isn't much point of him even being here then. A pretty big letdown.
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by Marco Polo » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:22 pm
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I just noticed something on the site, right underneath that last page.
PS: Yes, Tapion can't fly, and can't bear a 100G gravity. He is a musicien, guys. He isn't stronger than Freeza, he isn't even stronger than Raditz. Yes, the DBZ Raditz.
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by rereboy » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:42 am
He will probably rely on the monster's power, not his own. That's why him being very weak doesn't matter. But still, he should at least be able to fly, like he saw him do in the movie.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:48 am
Well, Salagir did say that he gave himself the right to do whatever he wants to the movie characters (e.x. Broli's power increasing every minute.)
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:51 am
Who ever wins the next round will end up fighting Cell. I doubt neither Tapion or Kuririn will stand a chance against Cell.
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by Cold Skin » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:52 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:From what we know, Salagir uses the French manga/anime as a basis, so, maybe the French dub of the movie portrays Tapion that weak?
I don't think any French fan would use the old dub as a source, since everyone pretty much agreed that it was horribly translated and waited for subtitled DVDs for years.
Now we have all episodes and movies with Japanese subtitled correctly, and an awesomely re-translated manga and anime comics (the female translator - who has been also put in charge of other manga retranslations since then like
Dragon Quest - is a fan of the show since forever and knows the whole universe by heart), so a French fan wouldn't be able to honestly justify their mistakes by pointing out any major mistranslation nowadays.
But anyway, the old French dub for this movie - as horrible as it was - still depicted Tapion as an incredibly powerful hero.
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by testing223 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:10 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:Who ever wins the next round will end up fighting Cell. I doubt neither Tapion or Kuririn will stand a chance against Cell.
Well, Kuririn (and friends) beat Freeza, the androids, and Boo. So they're used to facing opponents who are stronger. Hopefully Saligir has come up with some clever tricks for them to use.
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by Kaboom » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 am
What if... what if Tapion does unleash Hildegarn, but Kuririn's got a certain trick up his sleeve, that his late master once used against King Piccolo...
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:04 pm
Kaboom wrote:What if... what if Tapion does unleash Hildegarn, but Kuririn's got a certain trick up his sleeve, that his late master once used against King Piccolo...
Can it work against opponents other than Daimaou? I mean, I know it's called "
Mafuuba", but who's to say Mutaito only tailored it to work against Piccolo, since that's the only person he ever needed to use it against, and the only person we
ever saw it being used against? Unless the Daizenshuu says something different on this matter.
Although it would be pretty cool to see Old Man Kuririn using the Mafuuba.
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by Dorexx » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pm
I don't like that Krillin can use Kaioken. If no one except Goku was worthy and/or able of learning it in our Universe, what makes that different in this one?
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by rereboy » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:50 pm
Kaioken, in its first stage, doubles the user's power. Goku refered to it as simply Kaioken and later as Kaioken x2 when the author was about to introduce Kaioken x3 and x4.
Kaioken power 1 is just another way of saying first stage of Kaioken.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:18 pm
"Wrap me in your aura..."
So, Kyubi Naruto, er...Hildegarn Tapion confirmed.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:00 pm
Tapion here is so original, eh?
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by Insertclevername » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:12 pm
I wonder if he'll actually use his sword? I doesn't seem like he wants to kill. Also, kinda off topic but, isn't Chrono and Eight (Dragon Quest VIII) spectators in Universe 2?
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by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:42 pm
Dorexx wrote:I don't like that Krillin can use Kaioken. If no one except Goku was worthy and/or able of learning it in our Universe, what makes that different in this one?
I dunno, I like that he can use it for exactly that reason. This is a universe where "Goku" never came to be really, so it makes sense that, to get strong enough to combat the threats themselves, the humans probably had to learn a lot of what he did.
Besides, didn't Videl use it in the fight against King Cold? If she could use it and Kuririn couldn't, then I'd be kind of annoyed/worried.
Insertclevername wrote:Also, kinda off topic but, isn't Chrono and Eight (Dragon Quest VIII) spectators in Universe 2?
I believe they were, yeah.
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by batistabus » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:56 pm
Good, I'm glad they did this with Tapion. It actually makes me give half a shit about him. I'm not sure I love Kaioken Kuririn, but I'd totally be okay with Tenshinhan doing it (since he stayed the extra time to train and doesn't suck like Yamucha).