Unpopular DB opinions

[Kakacarrottop]

Interesting as I found his X-Men score much "darker".

It's definitely a lot more serious than the Power Rangers score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZYStAQhSg

When you listen to this you sort of get some Saban DBZ vibes. The DBZ score however also had a lot of rock elements and goofy comedic music like in Power Rangers, so it's kind of a mix of everything he had done up to that point

[WittyUsername]

The issue here I think is just... Cold in general. He shouldn't have been there at all, or a character at any point. I know that one's not an unpopular opinion, but I figured I'd chime in regardless.

Nothing wrong with Frieza having a father. Especially considering we just learned he was fairly young when he took reign.

Personally, my problem with Cold is this idea that Freeza’s family has some sort of monarchy system going on. I prefer the idea of Freeza being more of a businessman, rather than royalty.

[ABED]

The issue here I think is just... Cold in general. He shouldn't have been there at all, or a character at any point. I know that one's not an unpopular opinion, but I figured I'd chime in regardless.

Nothing wrong with Frieza having a father. Especially considering we just learned he was fairly young when he took reign.

Personally, my problem with Cold is this idea that Freeza’s family has some sort of monarchy system going on. I prefer the idea of Freeza being more of a businessman, rather than royalty.

Isn't he referred to using regal terms like emperor and lord?

[WittyUsername]

Nothing wrong with Frieza having a father. Especially considering we just learned he was fairly young when he took reign.

Personally, my problem with Cold is this idea that Freeza’s family has some sort of monarchy system going on. I prefer the idea of Freeza being more of a businessman, rather than royalty.

Isn't he referred to using regal terms like emperor and lord?

I guess. His henchmen do address him as “Freeza-sama” or “Lord Freeza”. I’m not entirely sure what the model of the Planet Trade Organization is supposed to be like. Freeza and his father are supposedly royalty, yet they also seem to treat conquering planets like a business, given that they sell them off to the highest bidders. It’s a little weird.

[MyVisionity]

Personally, my problem with Cold is this idea that Freeza’s family has some sort of monarchy system going on. I prefer the idea of Freeza being more of a businessman, rather than royalty.

Unless there has been something added in the newer material, I don't think Freeza and his family are supposed to be royalty or belong to any kind of monarchy. Cold is referred to as daiou or "Great King", but that's it. And in that case, it doesn't appear to mean a "king" in the political sense, just that he and Freeza are the most powerful in the universe because of their business and strength.

"Freeza-sama" doesn't mean anything other than his subordinates addressing him with the proper honorific as their boss and big shot. As for "emperor of the universe", again that's figurative and not in any political sense.

[ABED]

Personally, my problem with Cold is this idea that Freeza’s family has some sort of monarchy system going on. I prefer the idea of Freeza being more of a businessman, rather than royalty.

Unless there has been something added in the newer material, I don't think Freeza and his family are supposed to be royalty or belong to any kind of monarchy. Cold is referred to as daiou or "Great King", but that's it. And in that case, it doesn't appear to mean a "king" in the political sense, just that he and Freeza are the most powerful in the universe because of their business and strength.

"Freeza-sama" doesn't mean anything other than his subordinates addressing him with the proper honorific as their boss and big shot. As for "emperor of the universe", again that's figurative and not in any political sense.

How is it not political? Freeza goes around conquering and taking resources he wants. He uses force to take whatever he wants, there's a hierarchy with him at the head. It's authoritarian, but it functions like a government.

[WittyUsername]

Personally, my problem with Cold is this idea that Freeza’s family has some sort of monarchy system going on. I prefer the idea of Freeza being more of a businessman, rather than royalty.

Unless there has been something added in the newer material, I don't think Freeza and his family are supposed to be royalty or belong to any kind of monarchy. Cold is referred to as daiou or "Great King", but that's it. And in that case, it doesn't appear to mean a "king" in the political sense, just that he and Freeza are the most powerful in the universe because of their business and strength.

"Freeza-sama" doesn't mean anything other than his subordinates addressing him with the proper honorific as their boss and big shot. As for "emperor of the universe", again that's figurative and not in any political sense.

How is it not political? Freeza goes around conquering and taking resources he wants. He uses force to take whatever he wants, there's a hierarchy with him at the head. It's authoritarian, but it functions like a government.

At the very least, it’s a pretty unusual government. It seems to function more like a business or a mafia organization than an actual empire. Freeza is still considered a criminal by the Galactic Patrol. It’s not exactly like the Empire from Star Wars.

[ABED]

I feel this Godfather scene is pretty applicable:

Michael:
My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

Kay Adams:
Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.

Michael:
Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?

[MyVisionity]

It seems to function more like a business or a mafia organization than an actual empire.

That's because it *is* a business and not an actual empire or monarchy. There is no system of government. Of course there are political parallels to be made, such as with the Mafia or any kind of enterprise really, but it's just a business.

[McDonaldsGuy]

Unpopular opinion: the fact that no other dub uses a 50 year old woman to voice a 25 year old male fighter is proof that Goku's Japanese voice doesn't work. However, I do think Nozawa could've did Goku's voice if she did it more like her Tullece or Goku Black's voice. Maybe.

Not sure if this is unpopular, but I do wish death had more meaning in DBZ. It's kinda lame how they can just revive everyone on Earth after Buu destroys it. Would have had a lot more impact if they had to start over. One of the reasons I like Future Trunks' storyline is because death mattered.

Another unpopular opinion: Funimation aiming DBZ at the young audience in the late 90s was perfect. In the late 90s, people craved more action and violence (WWF, Jerry Springer, South Park, etc. etc.). By starting off with DBZ and using a more action-packed base OST, it helped DBZ connect to American audiences (young under 16-males) far, far easier. "Rock the Dragon" from the Ocean Dub helped popularize it far more than what Cha-La-Head-Cha-La could have. Remember that bands such as Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park, and Marilyn Manson were popular at this time.

[ABED]

It seems to function more like a business or a mafia organization than an actual empire.

That's because it *is* a business and not an actual empire or monarchy. There is no system of government. Of course there are political parallels to be made, such as with the Mafia or any kind of enterprise really, but it's just a business.

There is a system, just a very simple one - what Freeza says goes. And plenty of governments engage in trade. I hardly would qualify Freeza's empire as a business.

[Kakacarrottop]

Another unpopular opinion: Funimation aiming DBZ at the young audience in the late 90s was perfect. In the late 90s, people craved more action and violence (WWF, Jerry Springer, South Park, etc. etc.). By starting off with DBZ and using a more action-packed base OST, it helped DBZ connect to American audiences (young under 16-males) far, far easier. "Rock the Dragon" from the Ocean Dub helped popularize it far more than what Cha-La-Head-Cha-La could have. Remember that bands such as Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park, and Marilyn Manson were popular at this time.

The Saiyan Saga with Rock the Dragon aired from Sep 1996 to May 1997 in first-run syndication and supposedly did very well. That was shortly before Limp Bizkit had released an album and before South Park debuted. When DBZ first started in America it wasn't quite y2k 2000 xtreme hardcore era yet like when the in-house dub began airing on Toonami

[MyVisionity]

There is a system, just a very simple one - what Freeza says goes.

Yeah because he's the boss. That doesn't make him some kind of king or head of state. I'm not sure what you're arguing here, that a government and business are one in the same? That immoral or unethical businesses aren't truly businesses?

[ABED]

There is a system, just a very simple one - what Freeza says goes.

Yeah because he's the boss. That doesn't make him some kind of king or head of state. I'm not sure what you're arguing here, that a government and business are one in the same? That immoral or unethical businesses aren't truly businesses?

That's exactly what it makes him. How is he not a king or head of state? What makes someone a king or head of state? A business offers value for value. There are certainly unethical businessmen, but that isn't what drives Freeza. He likes physical power over people. You are the one that asserted he's not the head of state. How is his organization not like a government? I don't like the equivocation of economic power and political power. They are not the same thing.

[10gigtriforce]

There is a system, just a very simple one - what Freeza says goes.

Yeah because he's the boss. That doesn't make him some kind of king or head of state. I'm not sure what you're arguing here, that a government and business are one in the same? That immoral or unethical businesses aren't truly businesses?

That's exactly what it makes him. How is he not a king or head of state? What makes someone a king or head of state? A business offers value for value. There are certainly unethical businessmen, but that isn't what drives Freeza. He likes physical power over people. You are the one that asserted he's not the head of state. How is his organization not like a government? I don't like the equivocation of economic power and political power. They are not the same thing.

heck a lot of old kings/emperors didnt start out as such but raised an army conquered and ruled even. not seeing how thats different from freeza

[McDonaldsGuy]

Another unpopular opinion: Funimation aiming DBZ at the young audience in the late 90s was perfect. In the late 90s, people craved more action and violence (WWF, Jerry Springer, South Park, etc. etc.). By starting off with DBZ and using a more action-packed base OST, it helped DBZ connect to American audiences (young under 16-males) far, far easier. "Rock the Dragon" from the Ocean Dub helped popularize it far more than what Cha-La-Head-Cha-La could have. Remember that bands such as Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park, and Marilyn Manson were popular at this time.

The Saiyan Saga with Rock the Dragon aired from Sep 1996 to May 1997 in first-run syndication and supposedly did very well. That was shortly before Limp Bizkit had released an album and before South Park debuted. When DBZ first started in America it wasn't quite y2k 2000 xtreme hardcore era yet like when the in-house dub began airing on Toonami

Yeah, it was more of framing the context on why Rock the Dragon was so popular. In the late 90s, people demanded more edgy entertainment. No more say your prayers and take your vitamins heroes, we want violence and action!

[ABED]

Rock the Dragon was popular because Dragon Ball Z was popular, end of story.

[McDonaldsGuy]

Rock the Dragon was popular because Dragon Ball was popular, end of story.

The music helped in the USA. As well with the pacing (though they cut too much out in the beginning).

[ABED]

Rock the Dragon was popular because Dragon Ball was popular, end of story.

The music helped in the USA. As well with the pacing (though they cut too much out in the beginning).

Somewhat, but if we didn't like DBZ, no one would've given a damn about the theme song.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I think the edgy new Faulconer scores dates the show way too quickly. It followed current trends instead of being more unique to Dragon Ball and it suffers for it. I DO love the Super Saiyan Vegeta theme. That one rocks.