"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

The manga really sidelined Trunks huh. He's not doing much of anything compared to the anime version.

It's one of my bigger gripes with the manga version. While I very much appreciated Toyo (so far) not giving Trunks any BS stuff to compete with the others, it still doesn't change the fact that Trunks is virtually irrelevant in a saga called the "Future Trunks Saga". He's essentially playing the same role as he was in the Cell Saga only made worse here.

The manga version just feels all over the place at this point, lacking a clear direction. It started out okay, giving Trunks a bunch of extra backstory the anime lacked but now he's just sort of there... and the manga repeats one of the main issues I had with the anime in that they failed to build him up further. In the anime's case we ended up with payoff without setup and it was just as bad but in the manga Trunks is no better off than he was during the Cell arc. Big missteps all around.

[Doctor.]

Toyotaro already gave Trunks a nonsensical new form, so I don't see why this "Trunks asspull" business is only attributed to the anime.

[TheMathemagician]

The manga really sidelined Trunks huh. He's not doing much of anything compared to the anime version.

It's one of my bigger gripes with the manga version. While I very much appreciated Toyo (so far) not giving Trunks any BS stuff to compete with the others, it still doesn't change the fact that Trunks is virtually irrelevant in a saga called the "Future Trunks Saga". He's essentially playing the same role as he was in the Cell Saga only made worse here.

The manga version just feels all over the place at this point, lacking a clear direction. It started out okay, giving Trunks a bunch of extra backstory the anime lacked but now he's just sort of there... and the manga repeats one of the main issues I had with the anime in that they failed to build him up further. In the anime's case we ended up with payoff without setup and it was just as bad but in the manga Trunks is no better off than he was during the Cell arc. Big missteps all around.

Fully agreed. A failure on both accounts between both versions. My other gripe is Goku never fighting Black in the manga. I'm all for more central stage for manga Vegeta, but not at the cost of having Vegeta vs. Black III and Goku not fighting Black once.

[TheMikado]

It's one of my bigger gripes with the manga version. While I very much appreciated Toyo (so far) not giving Trunks any BS stuff to compete with the others, it still doesn't change the fact that Trunks is virtually irrelevant in a saga called the "Future Trunks Saga". He's essentially playing the same role as he was in the Cell Saga only made worse here.

The manga version just feels all over the place at this point, lacking a clear direction. It started out okay, giving Trunks a bunch of extra backstory the anime lacked but now he's just sort of there... and the manga repeats one of the main issues I had with the anime in that they failed to build him up further. In the anime's case we ended up with payoff without setup and it was just as bad but in the manga Trunks is no better off than he was during the Cell arc. Big missteps all around.

Fully agreed. A failure on both accounts between both versions. My other gripe is Goku never fighting Black in the manga. I'm all for more central stage for manga Vegeta, but not at the cost of having Vegeta vs. Black III and Goku not fighting Black once.

I feel like this is entirely on the outline. I keep saying it but it's like some executive asked Toriyama to work Future Trunks into the story so they could sell toys. Toriyama never really cared about Trunks after initially obliging but Toei didn't want him to just sit in the sidelines so they used all kinds of ways to make him relevant while simultaneously figuring a way to make new forms and techniques to sell more toys and other licensed content.

[TheMathemagician]

The manga version just feels all over the place at this point, lacking a clear direction. It started out okay, giving Trunks a bunch of extra backstory the anime lacked but now he's just sort of there... and the manga repeats one of the main issues I had with the anime in that they failed to build him up further. In the anime's case we ended up with payoff without setup and it was just as bad but in the manga Trunks is no better off than he was during the Cell arc. Big missteps all around.

Fully agreed. A failure on both accounts between both versions. My other gripe is Goku never fighting Black in the manga. I'm all for more central stage for manga Vegeta, but not at the cost of having Vegeta vs. Black III and Goku not fighting Black once.

I feel like this is entirely on the outline. I keep saying it but it's like some executive asked Toriyama to work Future Trunks into the story so they could sell toys. Toriyama never really cared about Trunks after initially obliging but Toei didn't want him to just sit in the sidelines so they used all kinds of ways to make him relevant while simultaneously figuring a way to make new forms and techniques to sell more toys and other licensed content.

I feel this is a fair possibility, and it makes me crave to see the outlines even more to know for sure, because a lot of what we say in regards to the outlines are just speculation. Sure some have a basis for it. I just really want to be able to see them, but I doubt that's ever happening.

[Kagari]

It's one of my bigger gripes with the manga version. While I very much appreciated Toyo (so far) not giving Trunks any BS stuff to compete with the others, it still doesn't change the fact that Trunks is virtually irrelevant in a saga called the "Future Trunks Saga". He's essentially playing the same role as he was in the Cell Saga only made worse here.

The manga version just feels all over the place at this point, lacking a clear direction. It started out okay, giving Trunks a bunch of extra backstory the anime lacked but now he's just sort of there... and the manga repeats one of the main issues I had with the anime in that they failed to build him up further. In the anime's case we ended up with payoff without setup and it was just as bad but in the manga Trunks is no better off than he was during the Cell arc. Big missteps all around.

Fully agreed. A failure on both accounts between both versions. My other gripe is Goku never fighting Black in the manga. I'm all for more central stage for manga Vegeta, but not at the cost of having Vegeta vs. Black III and Goku not fighting Black once.

I don't really get this at all actually unless Goku is going to be handling most of the stuff against Merged Zamasu. Even then I still feel like this story has fallen apart.

[TheMathemagician]

The manga version just feels all over the place at this point, lacking a clear direction. It started out okay, giving Trunks a bunch of extra backstory the anime lacked but now he's just sort of there... and the manga repeats one of the main issues I had with the anime in that they failed to build him up further. In the anime's case we ended up with payoff without setup and it was just as bad but in the manga Trunks is no better off than he was during the Cell arc. Big missteps all around.

Fully agreed. A failure on both accounts between both versions. My other gripe is Goku never fighting Black in the manga. I'm all for more central stage for manga Vegeta, but not at the cost of having Vegeta vs. Black III and Goku not fighting Black once.

I don't really get this at all actually unless Goku is going to be handling most of the stuff against Merged Zamasu. Even then I still feel like this story has fallen apart.

I doubt he'll be handling Merged Zamasu. I mean he very well might, nothing can be thrown out of the realm of possibility yet. But I'm just very disappointed that the manga never had Goku vs. Black. Or even the scene of Goku raging on Black and Zamasu. But it's not so much Goku handling Zamasu, it's more so that while I love the fact Veggie seems to be at the center stage in this current saga in the manga version at least, I don't like having Vegeta vs. Black III over Goku fighting Black at all.

[dbgtFO]

I completely agree with you and let's not forget the fact that he completely changed the dynamics of Hitto vs Vegeta and vs Goku making Hitto someone weak that could have been easily beaten. Seriously, the manga is a parody to the anime.

He completely changed BoG (for the worse imo), I do not know why people think he follows outline really closely espcially when he admitted that he is gonna handle a reveal differently from the outline, this is problem getting a fan fic writer to do an offical albeit promo Manga, it is hard to separate his fanboy-ism and he is showing it.

Dislike all you want, but never spread misinformation, caused by your failure to do proper research.
Toyotaro's statement:

The Trunks arc within Dragon Ball Super will hit the U.S. soon, and while a certain reveal is the same in the manga, anime, and Toriyama's outline, both the anime and manga have different ways of getting there, each taking advantage of the unique aspects of their medium, so I hope everyone enjoys comparing them.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intervi ... ou/.107579
NOWHERE does he state the manga will differ from the outline, only that the manga and anime will handle the reveal differently.

[Pantheon]

Like 30% of Blacks character is his hate for Goku but in the manga has black even acknowledged his presence at all?

[MisteryOne]

I completely agree with you and let's not forget the fact that he completely changed the dynamics of Hitto vs Vegeta and vs Goku making Hitto someone weak that could have been easily beaten. Seriously, the manga is a parody to the anime.

He completely changed BoG (for the worse imo), I do not know why people think he follows outline really closely espcially when he admitted that he is gonna handle a reveal differently from the outline, this is problem getting a fan fic writer to do an offical albeit promo Manga, it is hard to separate his fanboy-ism and he is showing it.

Dislike all you want, but never spread misinformation, caused by your failure to do proper research.
Toyotaro's statement:

The Trunks arc within Dragon Ball Super will hit the U.S. soon, and while a certain reveal is the same in the manga, anime, and Toriyama's outline, both the anime and manga have different ways of getting there, each taking advantage of the unique aspects of their medium, so I hope everyone enjoys comparing them.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intervi ... ou/.107579
NOWHERE does he state the manga will differ from the outline, only that the manga and anime will handle the reveal differently.

Not to mention he already said before starting this arc that Goku was his favourite character, so saying he's a Vegeta fanboy is just dumb. Being a fanboy of SSG is something different trough (and probably SS2 too)

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I completely agree with you and let's not forget the fact that he completely changed the dynamics of Hitto vs Vegeta and vs Goku making Hitto someone weak that could have been easily beaten. Seriously, the manga is a parody to the anime.

He completely changed BoG (for the worse imo), I do not know why people think he follows outline really closely espcially when he admitted that he is gonna handle a reveal differently from the outline, this is problem getting a fan fic writer to do an offical albeit promo Manga, it is hard to separate his fanboy-ism and he is showing it.

Dislike all you want, but never spread misinformation, caused by your failure to do proper research.
Toyotaro's statement:

The Trunks arc within Dragon Ball Super will hit the U.S. soon, and while a certain reveal is the same in the manga, anime, and Toriyama's outline, both the anime and manga have different ways of getting there, each taking advantage of the unique aspects of their medium, so I hope everyone enjoys comparing them.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intervi ... ou/.107579
NOWHERE does he state the manga will differ from the outline, only that the manga and anime will handle the reveal differently.

I guess I misinterpreted it, my bad. Point still remains he changed BoG though.

Not to mention he already said before starting this arc that Goku was his favourite character, so saying he's a Vegeta fanboy is just dumb. Being a fanboy of SSG is something different trough (and probably SS2 too)

So? Goku being his favourite doesn't mean he can't fanboy over other characters...

[sintzu]

Like 30% of Blacks character is his hate for Goku but in the manga has black even acknowledged his presence at all?

I don't think so. Maybe he did but it wasn't like the anime.

[Fizzer]

The return of SSG for both Goku and Vegeta makes me think there was no point in SSB even existing. SSG was a brand new form and being able to access it voluntarily would have been as much of a "reveal" against Freeza as yet ANOTHER form after only a handful of episodes. Every instance of SSB could have just been SSG.

[LightBing]

The return of SSG for both Goku and Vegeta makes me think there was no point in SSB even existing. SSG was a brand new form and being able to access it voluntarily would have been as much of a "reveal" against Freeza as yet ANOTHER form after only a handful of episodes. Every instance of SSB could have just been SSG.

Agreed. Speculating here, it was all for marketing. New transformation equals an excuse to create a bunch of materials like toys. The movie was clearly made without much thought put into the story(continuity).

[ekrolo2]

I guess Vegeta's tactic is meant to be like what Future Trunks does against his dad in DBMultiverse? Switching between an easier to maintain, weaker form then bursting momentarily into a stronger one?

Points for variety I guess but the anime showed us that a tactic like that can work maybe once and certainly not to the degree Vegeta seems to be using it here.

[Totamo]

Toyotaro already gave Trunks a nonsensical new form, so I don't see why this "Trunks asspull" business is only attributed to the anime.

If you are referring to super saiyan 2, a form which we know he unlocked on supreme kai's planet and he trained to get

Than I have no word for you.

[LightBing]

I guess Vegeta's tactic is meant to be like what Future Trunks does against his dad in DBMultiverse? Switching between an easier to maintain, weaker form then bursting momentarily into a stronger one?

Points for variety I guess but the anime showed us that a tactic like that can work maybe once and certainly not to the degree Vegeta seems to be using it here.

The first thing it came to mind was Goku using his power in bursts against the Ginyu Force. If the point is to avoid SSJB weakness, I would rather Vegeta found a less roundabout way. Just remove the damn weakness Toyotarõ, it's limiting and will limit the writing!

[Arg]

The return of SSG for both Goku and Vegeta makes me think there was no point in SSB even existing. SSG was a brand new form and being able to access it voluntarily would have been as much of a "reveal" against Freeza as yet ANOTHER form after only a handful of episodes. Every instance of SSB could have just been SSG.

Agreed. Speculating here, it was all for marketing. New transformation equals an excuse to create a bunch of materials like toys. The movie was clearly made without much thought put into the story(continuity).

Unfortunately, everything seems to hint at this. It would take a masterclass to reconcile both...

P.S.: Wonder if Vegeta's outfit gets any subtle recolor once turning SSG, like Goku's red shoe laces.

[Doctor.]

Toyotaro already gave Trunks a nonsensical new form, so I don't see why this "Trunks asspull" business is only attributed to the anime.

If you are referring to super saiyan 2, a form which we know he unlocked on supreme kai's planet and he trained to get

Than I have no word for you.

No, I'm referring to his "extension" of Super Saiyan 2, which made him look like a fighting genius even above Goku and Vegeta (even Whis makes a comment of the sort), when Trunks should be a tactical numbskull.

[FortuneSSJ]

No, it's not. Vegeta having SSJG is fixing bad storytelling made by the anime where he reach the God realm by himself and turned Blue by that. How would he even use it against Hit if it was clear that Vegeta didn't know jack about his time abilities or Blue stamina issues?

I don't see any problem with Vegeta unlocking God Ki after training under the strongest of Universe 7.
Until proven otherwise, I doubt Beerus and Champa had God Ki before they being trained by their Angels, Whis and Vados.

Since all the other GoDs are from different races seems like anyone can be a GoD if he's/she's strong enough for the job, and God Ki is something they get later.
Following that logic If the others can do it, Vegeta can too. The Angels are probably the ones who know the trick to unlock it.

However treat a ritual form like SSG, as normal a SSJ form, that's what I call bad storytelling.