kinisking wrote:I thought the timeline where black lived on was the original and the changes Trunks caused lead to a timeline where he was murdered rather than the murder creating a timeline ?
Before 67, the anime seems to apply the logic of "if we kill Hitler before he becomes Hitler, then it'll fix the timeline" with regards to Black. His Time Ring explanation is meant to explain why he, and all of his actions persist even though none of it should anymore.
Okay, so what's the problem with that ?
The problem is that in Black's backstory, Zamasu and Goku fight one another anyway even though they shouldn't know they even exist without Trunks bringing Goku to Gowasu and Zamasu's attention.
Then in 67 they start talking about Beerus making a new timeline from where Black comes from and that's completely pointless because they play Black up under my aforementioned Hitler logic: kill him before he becomes Black to stop this whole ordeal. This entire train of thought doesn't make sense if everyone's acting like Black is from an entirely new timeline and not just present Zamasu pre-body swap.
I don't want to throw the thread off track so if you wanna keep talking about this, there's a time travel specific thread for us to do that.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
zamasu121 wrote:was it tomioka who wrote episodes 47-50?
Yes. He also wrote those episodes, which I actually forget to originally mention. But like I said, he wrote the best episodes of the arc.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
zamasu121 wrote:was it tomioka who wrote episodes 47-50?
Yes. He also wrote those episodes, which I actually forget to originally mention. But like I said, he wrote the best episodes of the arc.
its insane how consistent he was powerscaling wise from 47-51, but then he wrote episode 66.
66 was consistent though. Vegetto himself said he was about to end with Merged Zamasu so he was weakened dramatically obviously. With the power of Goku, Vegeta and a sharp ki blade it makes sense why Trunks could defeat him. The only thing that arguably doesn't make sense is the spirit bomb existing in general.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
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I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Lord Beerus wrote:
Yes. He also wrote those episodes, which I actually forget to originally mention. But like I said, he wrote the best episodes of the arc.
its insane how consistent he was powerscaling wise from 47-51, but then he wrote episode 66.
66 was consistent though. Vegetto himself said he was about to end with Merged Zamasu so he was weakened dramatically obviously. With the power of Goku, Vegeta and a sharp ki blade it makes sense why Trunks could defeat him. The only thing that arguably doesn't make sense is the spirit bomb existing in general.
I was talking about goku overpowering zamasu alone, when both trunks and vegeta combined barely managed that.
zamasu121 wrote:
its insane how consistent he was powerscaling wise from 47-51, but then he wrote episode 66.
66 was consistent though. Vegetto himself said he was about to end with Merged Zamasu so he was weakened dramatically obviously. With the power of Goku, Vegeta and a sharp ki blade it makes sense why Trunks could defeat him. The only thing that arguably doesn't make sense is the spirit bomb existing in general.
I was talking about goku overpowering zamasu alone, when both trunks and vegeta combined barely managed that.
Zamasu just lost a beam struggle that probably weakened him and Goku's Kamehameha actually pierced through Zamasu's ball instead of pushing it back.
I did not get to talk about my thoughts about staff because it was late last night and I have been really busy. From what I am seeing, Nagamine has already started to bring in his contacts. Ochi Kazuhiro worked as storyboarder in Happiness Charge Precure, which he was the series director off. Yamaguchi Akio worked in production staff of One piece tv special 11, who Nagamine directed and storyboarded.Also, we can easily confirm that Hatano Kohei is sticking around. I have no doubt at this point that Tomioka Atsuhiro is the uncredited series composer of Super.
Precure contacts are generally good (the only exception to the rule is Aoyama imo, wherever he is) so I look forward to seeing them. HaCha was messy in parts, but it had fun stuff like Lovely Beam (actually practically all of Megumi's attacks were enjoyable to watch), so.
Sodhi wrote:I did not get to talk about my thoughts about staff because it was late last night and I have been really busy. From what I am seeing, Nagamine has already started to bring in his contacts. Ochi Kazuhiro worked as storyboarder in Happiness Charge Precure, which he was the series director off. Yamaguchi Akio worked in production staff of One piece tv special 11, who Nagamine directed and storyboarded.Also, we can easily confirm that Hatano Kohei is sticking around. I have no doubt at this point that Tomioka Atsuhiro is the uncredited series composer of Super.
That's what I'm most psych for, I know certain directors are a manget for talented animators and now with two directors. I expect to see a decent amount of new animators, however one of them is an freshly appointed one, so I can't hope for too much. Some talented freelancers would be nice, but Toei's in-house is just as good.
ekrolo2 wrote:I don't want to throw the thread off track so if you wanna keep talking about this, there's a time travel specific thread for us to do that.
Sodhi wrote:I did not get to talk about my thoughts about staff because it was late last night and I have been really busy. From what I am seeing, Nagamine has already started to bring in his contacts. Ochi Kazuhiro worked as storyboarder in Happiness Charge Precure, which he was the series director off. Yamaguchi Akio worked in production staff of One piece tv special 11, who Nagamine directed and storyboarded.Also, we can easily confirm that Hatano Kohei is sticking around. I have no doubt at this point that Tomioka Atsuhiro is the uncredited series composer of Super.
That's what I'm most psych for, I know certain directors are a manget for talented animators and now with two directors. I expect to see a decent amount of new animators, however one of them is an freshly appointed one, so I can't hope for too much. Some talented freelancers would be nice, but Toei's in-house is just as good.
Hatano Morio and Chioka also have great connections, but the series' messed up production made many people stay away or only contribute for an episode or two while they were in charge. Hopefully with the 10 weeks between arcs they were able to get things to the point were we can get some great staff and keep them.
ehh123 wrote:Sodhi is right. Atsuhiro Tomioka seems to be the unofficial head writer of Super at this point.
And I have no problem with that at all. He's written the best episodes in the show.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
