The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Bullza]

SSJ3 Goku vs Base Vegito (Using the dance method)

[TheGmGoken]

Toriko Vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Toriko, Zebra, Sanny and Coco Vs Ginyu Force (without Ginyu)
Metal Cooler, King Cold and Mecha Freeza Vs #18
Semi Perfect Cell Vs Super Saiyan Goten
Perfect Cell (the fights with SSJ grade 2 Vegeta) Vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks

Some help here, guys...

1 and 2: TTGL interferes and kills both
2. Meta cooler alone could fight and kill 18
3. Goten. Goten and Trunks are strong. They can match ASSJ in power. Maybe CG Vegeta or even Goku
4. Cell of course. Kid ain't that strong

SSJ3 Goku vs Base Vegito (Using the dance method)

Dance method? Wouldn't that just be Gogeta?

[Bullza]

It would but in canon he'd still be called Vegito whether it was fusing via Dance method or Potara.

I didn't want people think I meant the one from Fusion Reborn.

[xmysticgohanx]

SSJ3 Goku vs Base Vegito (Using the dance method)

SSJ2 Goku > Base canon Gogeta since SSJ Goku was stronger than base Gotenks as shown in the JSAT.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

4. Cell of course. Kid ain't that strong

It`s Goten and Trunks (both Super Saiyan) Vs Perfect Cell (against Vegeta SSJ grade 2 and Trunks SSJ grade 3) - Two kids vs Cell

[Pantalones]

Metal Cooler, King Cold and Mecha Freeza Vs #18

A single Metal Cooler, without any chance of a stronger rebuilt one moving in later, would put up a fight against #18 but lose in the end. Would obviously do a better job than Vegeta did against her, but wouldn't be enough to weaken her to the point that Cold and Freeza wouldn't still get slaughtered near-effortlessly once the Metal Cooler was dealt with.

A powered-up Metal Cooler sent in after the first one got destroyed should be able to beat #18, though. Without any difficulty, if it's like the one that could knock out "Kamiccolo" so easily later on.

Semi Perfect Cell Vs Super Saiyan Goten

Semi-perfect Cell... hmm. Good question. Goten in Super Saiyan seems stronger than #18 (based on how she was actually worried by a blast from one of the kids), but definitely not to such a ludicrous extent that being semi-perfect Cell level would imply. I'd put him at #16 level's or a little above that. So... yeah, Cell would win, and effortlessly.

The absolute max I could see the kids at, at least before their year-day of training, would be right around the level that semi-perfect Cell showed initially before he got angry in his fight with Vegeta. So Goten would still lose, just not as embarrassingly, since he'd be able to put up a pretty even fight until Cell went to his full power. Goten and Trunks together could beat this Cell, though.

Perfect Cell (the fights with SSJ grade 2 Vegeta) Vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks

The kids get beaten into the ground while Cell laughs his ass off at their pitiful attempts at fighting such a vastly superior being. He may even start holding back even more just to prolong the fight and get a chance to pull an "oh no, you actually hurt me! *regenerates* Whoops, just kidding!" on the kids.

(Seriously, why do people think the kids are Cell Games SSj or even PERFECT CELL level?? Or anywhere close? One random off-hand Daizenshuu statement, which is an exaggeration of one off-hand comment by Gohan that was probably referring to having such high power at that age and thus gaining power very quickly compared to himself, rather than actually implying Goten was near his strength, shouldn't override everything shown in the actual manga... which shows Goten being amazed by Gohan's speed/skill even when Gohan's probably not being completely serious, the SSj kids being stronger than #18 but not to the point where she can't fight them at all once they transform, and Piccolo being stronger than either of them going by Buu's "form shifts to match the strongest absorbed individual" thing.)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSJ2 Goku > Base canon Gogeta since SSJ Goku was stronger than base Gotenks as shown in the JSAT.

SS Goku wasn't shown to be stronger than base Gotenks, all we saw was that base Gotenks & SS Goku were both stronger than Aka.

[Saiga]

Metal Cooler, King Cold and Mecha Freeza Vs #18

18 takes this. With infinite energy she doesn't have to worry about how much power it takes to wipe out Metal Cooler and then Cold and Freeza won't pose much threat to her. Metal Cooler can put up a fight, but he'll go down.

Semi Perfect Cell Vs Super Saiyan Goten

Goten takes this effortlessly.

Perfect Cell (the fights with SSJ grade 2 Vegeta) Vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks

Either one takes this alone. Cell's skills and abilities would make it harder, but they'd beat him thanks to sheer power advantage.

[RandomGuy96]

Metal Cooler, King Cold and Mecha Freeza Vs #18
Semi Perfect Cell Vs Super Saiyan Goten
Perfect Cell (the fights with SSJ grade 2 Vegeta) Vs SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks

Metal Cooler has superior feats against the android arc Super Saiyans; he took about ten seconds to take down Vegeta, and tanked punches to the face standing perfectly still without budging. I don't see 18 doing that, especially when 17 said it'd only take Vegeta + Trunks + Piccolo to beat 18, and Goku + Vegeta were helpless against Metal Cooler without their Toei punch. Not to mention that Cooler was easily beating Kamiccolo off-screen. He crushes 18. Don't know what Cold and Freeza are doing here.

Goten wins by accident.

There's far too much of a power difference between Cell and the kids for him to beat them restricted to this level. MAYBE, just maybe, he could beat one... but both? Nah.

(Seriously, why do people think the kids are Cell Games SSj or even PERFECT CELL level?? Or anywhere close?

Because it's both officially stated and shown in the manga, where Goten and Trunks give their superiors trouble in sparring, which would not be possible with a huge gap in their powers. Goten made Gohan get serious and work up a sweat, and Trunks made Vegeta panic and feel threatened enough to punch Trunks to get him to stop his assault.

One random off-hand Daizenshuu statement, which is an exaggeration of one off-hand comment by Gohan that was probably referring to having such high power at that age

I don't see what "off-hand" has to do with anything. It outright stated Goten had the same battle power as Gohan. Simple.

The mere fact that you need to twist a statement by saying "well he said this but he probably meant this instead" should tell you something. Especially when Gohan was only 1-2 years older than Goten when he was stronger than everyone else at the Cell Games.

and thus gaining power very quickly compared to himself, rather than actually implying Goten was near his strength, shouldn't override everything shown in the actual manga

Everything in the manga points towards them being that strong.

... which shows Goten being amazed by Gohan's speed/skill even when Gohan's probably not being completely serious,

Evidence that he wasn't being serious? Because that's not supported anywhere and completely contradicted by the context of the scene.

the SSj kids being stronger than #18 but not to the point where she can't fight them at all once they transform,

She doesn't fight them. They fire an extremely suppressed ki blast in an effort not to kill her, but apparently use too much because she basically starts pissing herself after barley avoiding it. Then she cuts their costume and gets them disqualified.

and Piccolo being stronger than either of them going by Buu's "form shifts to match the strongest absorbed individual" thing.)

The thing is, that's never stated anywhere, and outright contradicted on at least one occasion. South Kaioshin was stronger than Dai Kaioshin, yet Buu shifted to match the latter's appearance. Furthermore:

-The kids were shown to be in base form inside Buu, so it wouldn't even be a comparison between their SS forms and Piccolo.
-Piccolo noticeably freaked out when they showed their full power, while Goku did not.
-When Vegeta, Gohan, and Goku were presumed dead, Piccolo stated that the kids were Earth's last hope. Not him.

[The Monkey King]

Toriko Vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta

I'd side with Vegeta but I think Toriko may be faster and his conduct of the King could give him a win.

Toriko, Zebra, Sanny and Coco Vs Ginyu Force (without Ginyu)

Ginyu Force

[TheGmGoken]

Ssj(Or SSJ2 if you think he's SSJ2) Gohan vs Dabura had the fight finish

[kuartus4]

Ssj(Or SSJ2 if you think he's SSJ2) Gohan vs Dabura had the fight finish

Goku implied Gohan was somewhat losing, but could still pull it off. I say 50/50.


South Kaioshin vs Dabura

[KentalSSJ6]

Ssj(Or SSJ2 if you think he's SSJ2) Gohan vs Dabura had the fight finish

Goku implied Gohan was somewhat losing, but could still pull it off. I say 50/50.


South Kaioshin vs Dabura

Seeing as South Kaioshin actually put up somewhat of a fight against Kid Buu and seeing as Kid Buu > Fat Buu > Dabra, South wins this if he can dodge the stone spit.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

Okay...them

Super Saiyan Bardock vs Turtles (after eating the first fruit)
Base Goku (Buu saga and Beyond) Vs King Cold
Hatchiyack (strongest), Brolly (Movie 10), Super Perfect Cell and Dabra Vs Fat Buu
Hatchiyack (strongest), Brolly (Movie 10), Super Perfect Cell and Dabra Vs Evil Buu (the Skinny Buu, not Super Buu...)
Lord Slug Vs Frieza (second Form)

[RandomGuy96]

Okay...them

Super Saiyan Bardock vs Turtles (after eating the first fruit)
Base Goku (Buu saga and Beyond) Vs King Cold
Hatchiyack (strongest), Brolly (Movie 10), Super Perfect Cell and Dabra Vs Fat Buu
Hatchiyack (strongest), Brolly (Movie 10), Super Perfect Cell and Dabra Vs Evil Buu (the Skinny Buu, not Super Buu...)
Lord Slug Vs Freeza (second Form)

Anime or manga version of EOB?

Buu Saga Goku may or may not win. EOZ/BOG Goku should win. He's slightly weaker than Cold, but his skills and techniques would let him pull a win. We've never seen Cold fight, but given his position, I doubt he's a very talented fighter.

You put four SS2-tier (at best) fighters against Fat Buu. Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo all explicitly stated that three SS2s- two of which were stronger than anyone on this list- would be fodder to Fat Buu. Fat Buu one-shots all of these guys.

Fat Buu apparently did one last power-up before he split. I think that Evil Buu, who took the majority of that power, could effortlessly handle all the SS2-tier fighters at once.

Old, young, giant...? Never mind, it doesn't matter. Slug stomps in any case.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

RandomGuy96

You can use any version (anime or manga)

[KentalSSJ6]

Super Veggeto in a 2V1 against SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta.

[Hugo Boss]

Super Veggeto in a 2V1 against SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta.

Two SS4s would be to much to SS Vegetto. Perhaps he could defeat one of them.

[kuartus4]

It outright stated Goten had the same battle power as Gohan. Simple.

Goten: “Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!”
Gohan: “Really!? That’s how you guys have been playing?...*thinking* If I’m not careful, I’ll be outstripped…by these little squirts…”

If Goten=Gohan, then that would mean Gohan<Trunks, which is implied not to be the case, since Gohan basically says they haven't yet outstripped him, but they will if he isn't careful.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku Kaioken X10 vs. Monster Zarbon

If Goku never got hurt badly during his fight with Vegeta and fought Zarbon on Namek. Would Goku win this fight?