"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Zamasu55]

God, the manga's so overrated.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm going to laugh if Toyo forgot about the 90% energy loss thing and doesn't explain how Vegeta can do this.

[Ki Breaker]

I'm going to laugh if Toyo forgot about the 90% energy loss thing and doesn't explain how Vegeta can do this.

He will probably put it on his training overcoming this problem, it's not like him to forget such big details

[Basako]

I'm going to laugh if Toyo forgot about the 90% energy loss thing and doesn't explain how Vegeta can do this.

Maybe using little glimpses of blue is not like fully transforming, so he can do that without loosing that much stamina. That make sense to me.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

How in the world does turning blue the moment he attacks makes sense in any way? unless SSJG is actually a faster form than blue and blue is only stronger in power, why go the trouble of doing what Vegeta's doing? to trip Black? we need more info.

Cuz Toyo wants to use SSG and is making shit up so he can use the form. It doesn't make sense, it is dumb shitty writing that shows Toyo's past. Tbh the writing was on the wall the way he ruined BoG, he's just not a good writer but I love his art so much it's frustrating.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

Didn't Vegeta literally only transform into Blue twice (once against Cabba and then Hit) before Whis gave that explanation? Because if so I'm thinking he meant overall duration and not # of transformations, since Blue's lack of stamina was the problem.

[TheMikado]

I'm going to laugh if Toyo forgot about the 90% energy loss thing and doesn't explain how Vegeta can do this.

Maybe using little glimpses of blue is not like fully transforming, so he can do that without loosing that much stamina. That make sense to me.

Another explanation is that using God ki is actually very strenuous. This would make sense since it is thr most recent transformation and just SSJ took them years to master. So essentially Vegeta may have trained to use SSG like a base state and bursting SSB to conservative energy.
Remember everytime we've seen Vegeta go SSB it was from SSJ or base, but going straight SSB he's essentially doing two transformation simultaneously. Anyway I'm still on the wait for the actual full release train so it can be given in context. This would be the equivalent of Toriyama breaking his Super saiyan "legend" because we saw a commercial of future episodes of "SSJ Vegeta/Trunks". Just wait for the chapter and if it doesn't explain it go nuts.

[Doctor.]

For the record, I hate the idea of SSG Vegeta. It was fine as a stamina-saving alternative to SSB, but giving it to Vegeta essentially takes away any mystique that it had. I'd even prefer Super Saiyan Orange or some other ridiculous nonsense to this. Quite frankly, this drops my approval rating of the manga by a good bit. It'll have to be a damn good chapter to make up for this.

Bad Toyotaro! No devaluing things that I like!

Quite the opposite for me. I especially hate the anime's notion that Vegeta could just skip over God with hard work and Blue himself with his own power. If this reveal suggests that Vegeta actually underwent the ritual proper way back before the Golden Freeza fight, as implied through the film version of "F" and the supplemental material, I'm all for it. 100%.

The chapter just seems to imply he got the form by training in the ROSAT. If he had it before, he would have used it against Hit.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

I don't know what a lot of the people here are talking about. Vegeta always possessed SSJG. By definition, he combined Red with Super Saiyan every time he used Blue. You can't use Blue without the predecessor form obviously, just like you can't use Super Saiyan 2 if you can't even use Super Saiyan.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

The chapter just seems to imply he got the form by training in the ROSAT. If he had it before, he would have used it against Hit.

Why? He had no idea it would be advantageous until after it was too late.

[Basako]

I don't know what a lot of the people here are talking about. Vegeta always possessed SSJG. By definition, he combined Red with Super Saiyan every time he used Blue. You can't use Blue without the predecessor form obviously, just like you can't use Super Saiyan 2 if you can't even use Super Saiyan.

This makes sense, but it's not confirmed yet, so people is theorising about it. The SSB is just another way of saying SSGSS, Whis renamed it because it's too long to say. Vegeta has been using the god ki but only with the SS state, not in the base. That's what I think too, let's see if the full chapter with translations brings us more light about the matter.

He did say Goku was saving the blue when he was fighting Hit with red. This doesn't confirm much, but just saying.

[Doctor.]

The chapter just seems to imply he got the form by training in the ROSAT. If he had it before, he would have used it against Hit.

Why? He had no idea it would be advantageous until after it was too late.

Then he's an idiot. Dialog seems to imply Vegeta only got the form now anyway. Black says Vegeta isn't too different and wonders if he has has new form. Vegeta then says he needed SSG to beat him.

[MisteryOne]

So, no explaining at all about if SSG Vegeta is a new thing, or he just didn't use it vs Hit because reasons. I mean, its implied that is new and all, but... I should stop to try to make sense of this, right?

1. how in the world does black know about ssj red? huge toto asspul

also i'm glad zamazu called black kyudai and not neesan like what sasuke calls itachi basically him saying brother

Why would he don't know about God? He saw it on Godtube.

[Lord Beerus]

Didn't Vegeta literally only transform into Blue twice (once against Cabba and then Hit) before Whis gave that explanation? Because if so I'm thinking he meant overall duration and not # of transformations, since Blue's lack of stamina was the problem.

Whis specifically mentions that Super Saiyan Blue is a form that can be used no more than a few times in a single day as it consumes too much energy. So it seems as though just powering up into the form, even briefly, wastes quite a bit of energy. And in Vegeta's case with his battle against Hit, powering up into a Super Saiyan Blue just twice wasted 90% of his energy.

[Doctor.]

Even IF powering up to SSB wasted no energy, you guys are still missing the bigger point. Black, with Super Saiyan, destroyed Vegeta. And now Vegeta won, even though Black said he wasn't too different.

[Basako]

Even IF powering up to SSB wasted no energy, you guys are still missing the bigger point. Black, with Super Saiyan, destroyed Vegeta. And now Vegeta won, even though Black said he wasn't too different.

Black in SS was stronger than Vegeta, but he only destroyed him when he got the SSR. Also, Vegeta has trained in the RoSaT. And we haven't seen the battle yet.

[Doctor.]

Even IF powering up to SSB wasted no energy, you guys are still missing the bigger point. Black, with Super Saiyan, destroyed Vegeta. And now Vegeta won, even though Black said he wasn't too different.

Black in SS was stronger than Vegeta, but he only destroyed him when he got the SSR. Also, Vegeta has trained in the RoSaT. And we haven't seen the battle yet.

Vegeta trained but Black said he wasn't too different. He didn't power-up, he got SSG.

[Lord Beerus]

Vegeta having SSJG is a no-win situation at this stage.

If he did have the form prior to his trip in the ROSAT, then he's absolute fucking moron for not using the form against Hit in the Champa arc or against Goku Black in his first encounter with him. In both of those scenarios, he could have easily won those fights.

If he didn't have the form to his trip in the ROSAT, that's just bad writing. How in the hell did he become a Super Saiyan Blue, if he didn't have Super Saiyan God to begin with? This is exactly the same issue I had with the anime in regard to Vegeta achieving Super Saiyan Blue by just training with Whis. It's just so fucking lazy and makes Super Saiyan Blue less of a mystical transformation and just a convenient power-up. Ironically, if Vegeta did suddenly achieve Super Saiyan God while training in the ROSAT, that also makes Super Saiyan God an even cheaper transformation. You don't even need the ritual at all to achieve the form. You just need to train hard enough. Fuck that nonsense. Do something unique with the Godly transformations. Don't make them into cheap power-ups anybody can get their hand on. Not saying that Super Saiyan God wasn't already that to begin with, but it could have at least been expanded on.

Plus, Super Saiyan God just looks unappealing on Vegeta.

[HeroR]

OK, this was hilarious.
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This proves that Goku's forgetting the seal isn't exactly bad, but how Toei handled it. To me, the bad thing about it in the anime isn't Goku forgetting the seal, but how he always forget something. Making this an actual gag and not just "Goku's forgetful" is a really good rendition compared to anime

Goku only forgot the Senzus before this. What other thing did he forget to call this constant?

[Basako]

Vegeta having SSJG is a no-win situation at this stage.

If he did have the form prior to his trip in the ROSAT, then he's absolute fucking moron for not using the form against Hit in the Champa arc or against Goku Black in his first encounter with him. In both of those scenarios, he could have easily won those fights.

If he didn't have the form to his trip in the ROSAT, that's just bad writing. How in the hell did he become a Super Saiyan Blue, if he didn't have Super Saiyan God to begin with? This is exactly the same issue I had with the anime in regard to Vegeta achieving Super Saiyan Blue by just training with Whis. It's just so fucking lazy and makes Super Saiyan Blue less of a mystical transformation and just a convenient power-up. Ironically, if Vegeta did suddenly achieve Super Saiyan God while training in the ROSAT, that also makes Super Saiyan God an even cheaper transformation. You don't even need the ritual at all to achieve the form. You just need to train hard enough. Fuck that nonsense. Do something unique with the Godly transformations. Don't make them into cheap power-ups anybody can get their hand on. Not saying that Super Saiyan God wasn't already that to begin with, but it could have at least been expanded on.

Plus, Super Saiyan God just looks unappealing on Vegeta.

Vegeta was a moron for using the blue form with Cabba. Even if he had gone red after that, he had already wasted his energy before and he would have been inferior to Hit in that form too, as he was in blue. Against Black in their first fight, he clearly won, Zamasu just saved Black in the last second.

If he got his blue before the red, I'm with you on this, that has always bugged me, it wouldn't make sense.

I like how SSG looks in Vegeta.