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You mean like those godawful Berserk Golden Age movies? Ugh...Draconic wrote:With the way CG is right now in Japan this would be an awful idea. But if CG was used to emulate the 2D style, I think it could definetley work. Something like the new Guilty Gear videogame, where the 3D models were just the sprites from the previous games, only rendered in all 3 planes, not just 2D.
Example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOpJ10YEiwI in case what I said was not clear. All those are 3D models.
That we know of, has he even storyboarded anything in Super yet? He hasn't directed any episodes either... I wonder if he will have a more hands on roll starting with the next arc.JulieYBM wrote:Chioka Kimitoshi was the first credited of three storyboard artists for Saint Seiya: Legend of Sanctuary. Assuming that means he storyboarded the first third of the movie then it means he storyboarded this fight scene. He can certainly storyboard exciting action, so hopefully he can bring that to Dragon Ball Super someday.
Advancements in cell-shading tricks are very impressive, my point being that if the CG would emulate hand-drawn 'flat' cell animation to this degree, then it's essentially a 2D 'classical' animation, just done with a different method when looking from viewer perspective. Most of the audience wouldn't even tell the difference or wouldn't care. If CG was out to be distinctively CG 3D like Pixar movies, Clone Wars tv show or Saint Seiya: Legend of Sanctuary, then it would require finding a brand new art style fitting art style for Dragon Ball which would be extremly hard, if not impossible.Draconic wrote:With the way CG is right now in Japan this would be an awful idea. But if CG was used to emulate the 2D style, I think it could definetley work. Something like the new Guilty Gear videogame, where the 3D models were just the sprites from the previous games, only rendered in all 3 planes, not just 2D.
Example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOpJ10YEiwI in case what I said was not clear. All those are 3D models.
I think the differences would be pretty noticable, especially stuff like the impact between blows or new camera angles. Also, this pretty much nullifies the possibility of getting off model shots. This not only keeps the art style and makes it feel familiar, but there is a lot that can be done in terms of choreography or composition.Basaku wrote:Advancements in cell-shading tricks are very impressive, my point being that if the CG would emulate hand-drawn 'flat' cell animation to this degree, then it's essentially a 2D 'classical' animation, just done with a different method when looking from viewer perspective. Most of the audience wouldn't even tell the difference or wouldn't care. If CG was out to be distinctively CG 3D like Pixar movies, Clone Wars tv show or Saint Seiya: Legend of Sanctuary, then it would require finding a brand new art style fitting art style for Dragon Ball which would be extremly hard, if not impossible.Draconic wrote:With the way CG is right now in Japan this would be an awful idea. But if CG was used to emulate the 2D style, I think it could definetley work. Something like the new Guilty Gear videogame, where the 3D models were just the sprites from the previous games, only rendered in all 3 planes, not just 2D.
Example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOpJ10YEiwI in case what I said was not clear. All those are 3D models.
Guilty Gear Xrd also does a lot of mesh deformation and face swapping on the fly to keep things dynamic and to make sure the characters stay on model all the time since Anime doesn't translate perfectly into 3D, techniques like that could also work even better in a movie or show format(especially with some nice motion blur). I'd prefer that we stay 2D, but if done right 3D could work and the techniques already exist to do it right.Draconic wrote:With the way CG is right now in Japan this would be an awful idea. But if CG was used to emulate the 2D style, I think it could definetley work. Something like the new Guilty Gear videogame, where the 3D models were just the sprites from the previous games, only rendered in all 3 planes, not just 2D.
Example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOpJ10YEiwI in case what I said was not clear. All those are 3D models.
Of course, but if it's styled to perfectly imitate flat 2D hand-drawn style, then it's not really aiming for 3D depth and quasi-realism of Pixar movies which is what appeals to mainstream audience and what I assume Morishita had in mind when he was talking about Hollywood blockbusters.Draconic wrote: I think the differences would be pretty noticable, especially stuff like the impact between blows or new camera angles. Also, this pretty much nullifies the possibility of getting off model shots. This not only keeps the art style and makes it feel familiar, but there is a lot that can be done in terms of choreography or composition.
If they're going to put that much $$$ into something then it needs to be a big franchise worldwide as well unlike One Piece which is only big in Japan so DB would be the only franchise that'll get that kind of movie.Chuquita wrote:I don't think Toei cares enough to invest that kind of money in DB. They seem to be way more invested in One Piece. If any of their properties gets enough money sunk into it for an expensive pixar type cgi movie, it'll be One Piece, not Dragon Ball, imo
As Araki mentioned on previous page, they already tried few times: Space Pirate Captain Harlock and Saint Seiya: Legend of Sanctuary. Both flopped though. Harlock made $17m, Saint Seiya $9m. Budgets were $30m+Chuquita wrote:I don't think Toei cares enough to invest that kind of money in DB. They seem to be way more invested in One Piece. If any of their properties gets enough money sunk into it for an expensive pixar type cgi movie, it'll be One Piece, not Dragon Ball, imo
There's good and bad CGI animation just as good and bad hand-drawn 2D. And of course there's also the script side. The best CG or the best 2D hand-drawn won't save a crappy story and bad writing.Chuquita wrote:I don't like cgi animation. I prefer regular 2D animation for DB.
To me it seems more like the team responsible for DB at Toei is just stuck in the (analog) past. Toei in general, but DB in particular. The entire business operates as if the internet didn't change how the world entertainment is consumed and distributed (not to even mention piracy). Launching a website for a new show without English version lol? In 2015? For a show and company that wants to be global? No streaming deals, simultaneous releases etc. Mind-boggling.Chuquita wrote:
I dunno, I just don't have the faith that Toei cares about DB the way it loves One Piece.
Chioka has no e-konte or enshutsu credits for Dragon Ball Super yet. Although the Opening doesn't credit a enshutsu or e-konte we know that Yamamuro Tadayoshi was the animation supervisor and was solo key animator for the Endings, so I'm thinking he simply storyboarded the Opening, too. It's also worth noting that the Opening doesn't match the storyboard that Chioka did for the second Saint Seiya Omega Opening.ArchedThunder wrote:That we know of, has he even storyboarded anything in Super yet? He hasn't directed any episodes either... I wonder if he will have a more hands on roll starting with the next arc.JulieYBM wrote:Chioka Kimitoshi was the first credited of three storyboard artists for Saint Seiya: Legend of Sanctuary. Assuming that means he storyboarded the first third of the movie then it means he storyboarded this fight scene. He can certainly storyboard exciting action, so hopefully he can bring that to Dragon Ball Super someday.
I'm starting to wonder if it's at all possible that Toei doesn't even intend to release the BoG and F arcs of Super outside of Japan honestly.Basaku wrote:To me it seems more like the team responsible for DB at Toei is just stuck in the (analog) past. Toei in general, but DB in particular. The entire business operates as if the internet didn't change how the world entertainment is consumed and distributed (not to even mention piracy). Launching a website for a new show without English version lol? In 2015? For a show and company that wants to be global? No streaming deals, simultaneous releases etc. Mind-boggling.Chuquita wrote:
I dunno, I just don't have the faith that Toei cares about DB the way it loves One Piece.
