The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheGmGoken]

Who is the strongest character that our real life Earth could kill. The opposition isn't allowed to blow up the planet.

Humans. Average level is 5. So most likely were 5 and slightly above.

[RandomGuy96]

Daimao. His strongest attack is only equivalent to a small nuke.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Daimao. His strongest attack is only equivalent to a small nuke.

SS Vegeta's in the AH arc is even weaker by that logic.

[RandomGuy96]

Daimao. His strongest attack is only equivalent to a small nuke.

SS Vegeta's in the AH arc is even weaker by that logic.

I'm not using any assumptions, it literally says that in the Daizenshuu.

Daizenshuu 7 power level section:

He has become even more powerful now that he has his youth restored. Easily capable of blowing away a city, his power rivals that of a small nuclear bomb.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Oh, this was actually stated. Sorry, I thought you judged it by its size.

[dbzfan7]

Daimao. His strongest attack is only equivalent to a small nuke.

SS Vegeta's in the AH arc is even weaker by that logic.

I'm not using any assumptions, it literally says that in the Daizenshuu.

Daizenshuu 7 power level section:

He has become even more powerful now that he has his youth restored. Easily capable of blowing away a city, his power rivals that of a small nuclear bomb.

But Muten Roshi could blow up the moon...shouldn't that take way more power.

[RandomGuy96]

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But Muten Roshi could blow up the moon...shouldn't that take way more power.

Correction: Buff Roshi's max power Kamehameha could blow up the moon.

[TheGmGoken]

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But Muten Roshi could blow up the moon...shouldn't that take way more power.

Correction: Buff Roshi's max power Kamehameha could blow up the moon.

How that a correction? Its like saying Goku didn't beat Freeza. Ssj Goku beat Freeza

[RandomGuy96]

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But Muten Roshi could blow up the moon...shouldn't that take way more power.

Correction: Buff Roshi's max power Kamehameha could blow up the moon.

How that a correction? Its like saying Goku didn't beat Freeza. Ssj Goku beat Freeza

Because we don't know what Buff Roshi's power level is, or what it is while firing a giant Kamehameha. Therefore, we don't know if Daimao is actually stronger than that power, which is enough to destroy the moon.m

And no, it's more like if someone said the Daiz is wrong and Raditz can't possibly be 1,500, because Piccolo killed him, and I corrected them by pointing out that was just his SBC.

[TheGmGoken]

My point was Buff Roshi and Roshi are the same guy. It was obvious he meant the full power of Roshi

[RandomGuy96]

My point was Buff Roshi and Roshi are the same guy. It was obvious he meant the full power of Roshi

Buff Roshi firing a Kamehameha and regular Roshi standing around are NOT the same thing when we're talking about power, as we are. To me, it seemed pretty clear he was saying "but Roshi blew up the moon, and Daimao is stronger than Roshi, so he should be able to destroy the moon". Buff Roshi shouldn't even be considered part of his full power, just part of a special power boosting attack. Like what Piccolo used to kill Raditz. He never even uses it in combat, just in conjunction with a Kamehameha to destroy large stationary objects.

[TheGmGoken]

My point was Buff Roshi and Roshi are the same guy. It was obvious he meant the full power of Roshi

Buff Roshi firing a Kamehameha and regular Roshi standing around are NOT the same thing when we're talking about power, as we are. To me, it seemed pretty clear he was saying "but Roshi blew up the moon, and Daimao is stronger than Roshi, so he should be able to destroy the moon". Buff Roshi shouldn't even be considered part of his full power, just part of a special power boosting attack. Like what Piccolo used to kill Raditz. He never even uses it in combat, just in conjunction with a Kamehameha to destroy large stationary objects.

No no no. I'm saying he obviously meant Roshi power when he blew up the moon. Its still Roshi. I didn't say same thing. I said SAME person.

[RandomGuy96]

My point was Buff Roshi and Roshi are the same guy. It was obidea ious he meant the full power of Roshi

Buff Roshi firing a Kamehameha and regular Roshi standing around are NOT the same thing when we're talking about power, as we are. To me, it seemed pretty clear he was saying "but Roshi blew up the moon, and Daimao is stronger than Roshi, so he should be able to destroy the moon". Buff Roshi shouldn't even be considered part of his full power, just part of a special power boosting attack. Like what Piccolo used to kill Raditz. He never even uses it in combat, just in conjunction with a Kamehameha to destroy large stationary objects.

No no no. I'm saying he obviously meant Roshi power when he blew up the moon. Its still Roshi. I didn't say same thing. I said SAME person.

I doubt that. Otherwise he wouldn't have even brought up Roshi in relation to Daimao in the first place, since we have no idea how Buff Roshi's Kamehameha compares to one of Daimao's regular attacks.

[Mr.Judge]

Using the logic used from a much later arc, Cell Saga.
Roshi buff form would give him power boost X 2 and coupled with super kamehameha multiplier x 2 atleast . Buff Roshi along with Kamehameha surpasses Piccolo Jr in arrival of Raditz.

Who is the strongest character that our real life Earth could kill. The opposition isn't allowed to blow up the planet.

General Blue/Black or Android 8.

the problem starts with Mercenary Tao due to his speed and strength, since he is guy capable of
1. crossing around 4600 km with the initial momentum he generated to catch that stone pillar he pitted at 2300Km.
2. Based on Projectile Motion(initial velocity is max while final is mostly 0), his initial velocity would be around mach 26 .

How? Goku is too slow and weak to even hurt him.

Superman grabs his neck and snaps it with ease.

You are using Akira Toriyama's weight number to gauge strength of DBZ characters?
Superman and Hulk are beings capable of easily jumping to skies which is similar to kid Goku jumping in 21st Budokai Tenkaichi and Tao crossing 2300Km. These strength feats need tremendous muscle strength in limbs of all 4 characters .
The weight numbers Akira Toriyama uses is done without putting in much research unlike most other Mangaka like Eiichiro Oda.

Since reading about Mister M of Marvel who can resist a nuclear explosion he created in his hand. He was capable of resisting the physical force by the nuclear explosion and was not moved by the physical force unleashed either.

Based on that fact I will make 2 cases.
case 1. a durable man(Raditz) is able to withstand the car explosion(moon level attack) but he cant push 2 kg(10-40 tons).
case 2. a durable man(Superman) is thrown back by some 10 feet( across a country) by car explosion(similar moon level attack) but he can easily push 100 Kg(move Earth).

What I'm trying to say here is Saiyan Saga Vegeta Gyarikku Hou/Ki augmented punches wont even push back/throw around First Form Frieza. Frieza would stand all day like an immovable object against attacks capable of destroying Earth.

Reading More about Alpha/Omega Mutants and hyperspace speed of heralds in Marvel, the Omega level mutants match Heralds and above in powers whereas with regards to FTL Speed, it is only meant for interstellar travel in Marvel.
World Breaker Hulk has enough gamma energy to easily destroy Earth. Energy to destroy is easily greater than that needed to move.
Understanding Why Marvel considers Beings with Energy Manipulation superior to lifting strength characters.
Being a Gamma-ray manipulator,the World Breaker Hulk(Marvel) is superior in strength to even the new 52 Superman(DC) who lifts Earth.

the concept of using Energy Manipulation to augment stats exists in Marvel as well as DB. YES even DB.

Excluding Skyfathers and above, there is no a single character in Marvel/Dc who can finger flick and Destroy life sustaining Planets with high gravity with the ease that Frieza is capable of .

Speed of Superman is a Plot device which is only meant to cover interstellar distances but a reader starts questioning it when he is constantly being tagged by beings inferior to him in speed like Darkseid and Lex. Superman can have all the speed in the world but he fails to evade a life-threatening injury at even close range.
I'll post multiple scans if you need.

Superman gets knocked back, thrown off by "punches with Volume of canon blasts and impact of a small bomb" [Superman writers have written this]
Superman is a earth lifter and can only destroy small planets for living.Both things require equivalent energy.
A basic Fact is Superman is affected/bleeds by punches which are only capable of cracking Moons which is what he himself is capable of.
Here is Raditz standing his ground literally unaffected by a attack that can destroy moon to smithereens and you are saying Superman is capable of snapping a neck of guy whose body surges with enough energy to destroy solar system on a whim in his SSJ3 form.

post crisis Superman gets KO by casual blast from Piccolo who destroyed Moon as soon as he grabs Piccolo's neck. Piccolo body while training Gohan in Saiyan Saga is surging with enough energy to casually destroy moon to smithereens.
even Gohan in his debut who surprised Raditz would KO Superman.

[xmysticgohanx]

destroy solar system on a whim in his SSJ3 form.

SSJ2 (and maybe SSJ) since SSJ2 Gohan with no charging whatsoever pushed back FP Cell's Solar System destroying Kamehameha.

[dbzfan7]

When I said Roshi I included Buff Roshi. You're saying Buff Roshi could kill Daimao if he stood still and tried to tank his attack.

[RandomGuy96]

When I said Roshi I included Buff Roshi. You're saying Buff Roshi could kill Daimao if he stood still and tried to tank his attack.

Yes, I am. However, given that he never even considered using that attack against anything other than gigantic stationary objects, I question its practicality in an actual battle, especially against someone so much faster than Roshi.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that based on the manga, the Daizenshuu is wrong.

The Daizenshuu seem to compare Daimao's attack with a nuke because of the size of the explosion, not the destructive power. Piccolo Daimao should be stronger than Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha, because Kame-sennin would be really stupid not to at least try to hit him with that. But the way Kame-sennin talked about Piccolo Daimao, it sounds like nothing would work against him, except for the Mafuuba.

[Mr.Judge]

I think that based on the manga, the Daizenshuu is wrong.

The Daizenshuu seem to compare Daimao's attack with a nuke because of the size of the explosion, not the destructive power. Piccolo Daimao should be stronger than Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha, because Kame-sennin would be really stupid not to at least try to hit him with that. But the way Kame-sennin talked about Piccolo Daimao, it sounds like nothing would work against him, except for the Mafuuba.

Using the logic used from a much later arc, Cell Saga.
Roshi buff form would give him power boost X 2 and coupled with super kamehameha multiplier x 2 atleast . Buff Roshi along with Kamehameha surpasses Piccolo Jr in arrival of Raditz.

Daimao cannot be more Powerful than Piccolo Jr in Saiyan Saga but still be in the range of moon level and Master Roshi's Buff Form coupled with Kamehameha charge time wouldn't be feasible against a comparably fast and equally powerful opponent.

[RandomGuy96]

I think that based on the manga, the Daizenshuu is wrong.

The Daizenshuu seem to compare Daimao's attack with a nuke because of the size of the explosion, not the destructive power. Piccolo Daimao should be stronger than Kame-sennin's Max Power Kamehameha, because Kame-sennin would be really stupid not to at least try to hit him with that. But the way Kame-sennin talked about Piccolo Daimao, it sounds like nothing would work against him, except for the Mafuuba.

By that logic, Piccolo is dumb for saying the fight against Nappa was hopeless, as he had the SBC. It doesn't matter how powerful an attack is if you can't hit your target with it, because you have to spend some time charging and they can just one shot you or move faster than you can see.