Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:23 pm

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:See I'm the opposite, I hope that they replace GT with something that Toriyama plays a huge part in creating.
Dragon Ball Online is set after the manga, completely ignores GT (and anything from the anime in general), and Toriyama is heavily involved (then again, it's an MMO video game).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:34 pm

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DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I hate it when someone says GT is a side story and that it has nothing to do with the main story. No, just because of a few plotholes it shouldn't be classified as a side story. GT is still a part of main timeline. Call it in another universe if you want to. Just don't call it side story.
So you hate Toriyama, since he himself is the one who called it a side story? :P. It's fact, GT is a side story.
Don't misunderstand it. I didn't say I hate him, I said I don't like the word 'side story'. So, with that said, yes, I'm completely disregarding Toriyama's words. GT is part of the timeline, period. End of story.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by VegettoEX » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:35 pm

You don't really get to decide when everyone else's conversation is over, though.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Zephyr » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:44 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Don't misunderstand it. I didn't say I hate him, I said I don't like the word 'side story'. So, with that said, yes, I'm completely disregarding Toriyama's words. GT is part of the timeline, period. End of story.
A timeline. There are things that don't fit with it, and there are things that it doesn't fit with. There's no official word on the matter, and the closest thing to an official word on the matter called it a side-story (meaning it's not integral to the main story). Nobody's saying you can't enjoy it or incorporate it into your personal canon. No need to get worked up over it or anything.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:46 pm

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Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:See I'm the opposite, I hope that they replace GT with something that Toriyama plays a huge part in creating.
Dragon Ball Online is set after the manga, completely ignores GT (and anything from the anime in general), and Toriyama is heavily involved (then again, it's an MMO video game).
I don't count DBO, I probably should have said really. Did he really create anything in DBO himself besides some character designs? I thought he just supervised. Also with it being an MMO I don't know what to make of it, now if Toriyama decides to continue with BoG and brings DBO into it I wouldn't be fussed. :)

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by fogdark » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:50 pm

The way I see it, we may agree with some decisions or not, but at the end of the day, this is Toriyama's story, and he can and should tell it however he wants to. Hollywood didn't listen to any of his inputs and we got Evolution, so...
Toei decided to make a movie that was more or less a faithful continuation of the manga, so they asked Toriyama to get involved. He did, and he created a story the same way he would've done it, had he written this fight in the manga.
So the only thing we can do is simply not buy, or not support the movie if we don't like what we're getting. It's that simple.

Personally I enjoy quite a bit the Super Saiyajin God. It almost feels like a throwback when Goku reached the same conclusion as Vegeta and told Gohan about having more power by increasing the muscle mass decreases the speed. I believe Goku actually got a bit too muscular, especially in SSj3. I like that he actually lost some muscle mass, and that the trasnformation wasn't another variation of Super Saiyajin, because the God form actually has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:00 pm

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:I don't count DBO, I probably should have said really. Did he really create anything in DBO himself besides some character designs? I thought he just supervised.
He is both supervising & contributing in the story & character designs.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Draken » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:01 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Draken wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I hate it when someone says GT is a side story and that it has nothing to do with the main story. No, just because of a few plotholes it shouldn't be classified as a side story. GT is still a part of main timeline. Call it in another universe if you want to. Just don't call it side story.
So you hate Toriyama, since he himself is the one who called it a side story? :P. It's fact, GT is a side story.
Don't misunderstand it. I didn't say I hate him, I said I don't like the word 'side story'. So, with that said, yes, I'm completely disregarding Toriyama's words. GT is part of the timeline, period. End of story.
I apologize, I didn't realize I was talking with Dragon Ball's official spokesperson/author/decision maker.

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Post by seansmith9322 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:08 pm

If you want to watch part one it's on youtube. When on the link just click on the "add caption" (link removed by administrator) Enjoy:DDDDD
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Black_Liger » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:12 pm

seansmith9322 wrote:If you want to watch part one it's on youtube. When on the link just click on the "add caption" (link removed by administrator) Enjoy:DDDDD

That's illegal bro, The admins are gonna erase your comment D:
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:12 pm

seansmith9322 wrote:If you want to watch part one it's on youtube. When on the link just click on the "add caption" (link removed by administrator) Enjoy:DDDDD
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Post by omegalucas » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm

seansmith9322 wrote:If you want to watch part one it's on youtube. When on the link just click on the "add caption" (link removed by administrator) Enjoy:DDDDD
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He is both supervising & contributing in the story & character designs.
Well then if BoG fits DBO in with it I'll accept it. To me it's just a Toriyama approved game for now. :P
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Post by seansmith9322 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:22 pm

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seansmith9322 wrote:If you want to watch part one it's on youtube. When on the link just click on the "add caption" (link removed by administrator) Enjoy:DDDDD
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Post by Marco Polo » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:24 pm

I wish there were direct allusions to DB Online in BoG, like Krillin or Tenshinhan mentioning that they might like to found their own fighting schools one day or something... That's my favourite part of DB Online. Then again, strictly speaking Gohan has to write his book on ki science before Krillin and Tenshinhan get their ideas.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:28 pm

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He is both supervising & contributing in the story & character designs.
Well then if BoG fits DBO in with it I'll accept it. To me it's just a Toriyama approved game for now. :P
So far, the only problem could be the final fight between Goku & Vegeta, unless Vegeta became Super Saiyan God at some point, or Goku can choose to use his godly powers in base form (and then go from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan God), or he can choose to not use them (and then go from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 2, to Super Saiyan 3).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by B » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:39 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Sometimes you should not listen to an author. Something likes this ruined SSJ God because of Toriyama. SSJ God looks like it's something to sneeze at.
That is the point. There are bajillion things in Dragon Ball where the outward appearance directly contradicts reality. Tiny Goku destroying opponents, wise sage Kame Sennin being a pervert, handsome bandit Yamcha unable to talk to women... And that is just the beginning of the series.

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Post by NeoKING » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:06 pm

Draken wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I hate it when someone says GT is a side story and that it has nothing to do with the main story. No, just because of a few plotholes it shouldn't be classified as a side story. GT is still a part of main timeline. Call it in another universe if you want to. Just don't call it side story.
So you hate Toriyama, since he himself is the one who called it a side story? :P. It's fact, GT is a side story.
He just disagrees with Toriyama. Never said he hates the man himself. And in his defense, Toriyama isn't very specific. Who knows why he called it a side-story of all things. In fact, he shouldn't call it anything, given he barely did anything with it.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:32 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Hopefully when the Buu saga portion of the manga is recolored we will get a clear idea of whether or not he was a Ssj2.
How? The Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 2 have exactly the same colors.
I'm hoping they'll redo that portion's art to have the Ssj2 aura and sparks around Gohan if he is meant to be a Ssj2. I'll only accept Gohan as a Ssj2 there if it's redone to look like it or Toriyama says so. I think it's ultimately absurd to suggest Gohan was a Ssj2 because there are a multitude of differences presented in the manga between a Ssj and a Ssj2. If we were going by the anime, I could buy Gohan being a Ssj2 because the only differentiation between the two forms in the anime is the lightning and since Toei stopped animating lightning, it's almost impossible to tell unless it's Goku.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:36 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm hoping they'll redo that portion's art to have the Ssj2 aura and sparks around Gohan if he is meant to be a Ssj2. I'll only accept Gohan as a Ssj2 there if it's redone to look like it or Toriyama says so. I think it's ultimately absurd to suggest Gohan was a Ssj2 because there are a multitude of differences presented in the manga between a Ssj and a Ssj2. If we were going by the anime, I could buy Gohan being a Ssj2 because the only differentiation between the two forms in the anime is the lightning and since Toei stopped animating lightning, it's almost impossible to tell unless it's Goku.
I doubt it, since so far, they haven't corrected any errors (as far as I know). They only add colors.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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