The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

Beerus probably blows up the Earth because no SSG.

Who says he even has the vision about the SSG without Goku still alive? He never visits Earth in Trunks' timeline.

Even if he does show up, he nearly leaves peacefully until Boo offends him. Freeza is the first set threat on the Super timeline after Boo. And, as of now, the only one.

Frieza probably gets jobbed immediately upon coming to Earth as he does not realize how powerful the heroes have become.

[Cipher]

Frieza probably gets jobbed immediately upon coming to Earth as he does not realize how powerful the heroes have become.

I guess it really depends on whether Freeza became so strong specifically because he was told Goku beat Majin Boo, or if some smaller amount of training would suffice (or if he'd even train at all, if Goku were no longer around).

Because even without his Golden form, he's still way the hell stronger than Majin Boo, and that could be a problem for the main cast. No fusion without the full events of the Boo arc either.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Frieza trained for 4 months and 1 day?

[nickzambuto]

What if Frieza trained for 4 months and 1 day?

I know this is a joke but my personal interpretation is that the Golden form was Freeza approaching the apex of his potential. He can still train and continue growing stronger, just as Goku has repeatedly reached his full potential or his limits and simply broken passed it, but once his reserves of hidden strength are fully realized, he won't be growing at the same incredible rate anymore. Freeza only gained so much power so quickly because it was all untapped potential; if he needs to create new strength after unleashing everything he had inside him, he'd grow at a more normal rate.

So basically the extra day wouldn't change anything. If he took a few days or weeks or months to control the power drain on his Golden form, then he would have won. Well actually he already did win in the original story, Whis bailed everyone out by reversing time. So nothing would be different. Freeza would win again, this time easier though, and Whis would reverse time for Goku and Vegeta to work together.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Frieza trained for 4 months and 1 day?

I know this is a joke but my personal interpretation is that the Golden form was Freeza approaching the apex of his potential. He can still train and continue growing stronger, just as Goku has repeatedly reached his full potential or his limits and simply broken passed it, but once his reserves of hidden strength are fully realized, he won't be growing at the same incredible rate anymore. Freeza only gained so much power so quickly because it was all untapped potential; if he needs to create new strength after unleashing everything he had inside him, he'd grow at a more normal rate.

So basically the extra day wouldn't change anything. If he took a few days or weeks or months to control the power drain on his Golden form, then he would have won. Well actually he already did win in the original story, Whis bailed everyone out by reversing time. So nothing would be different. Freeza would win again, this time easier though, and Whis would reverse time for Goku and Vegeta to work together.

What if Frieza spent his 4 months in the time chamber?

[LightBing]

What if instead of calling the Ginyu Force to Namek, Freeza called Abo and Cado.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if instead of calling the Ginyu Force to Namek, Freeza called Abo and Cado.

Our heroes probably get killed unless Goku shows up in time. If Goku manages to get there he can win.

[Nejishiki]

What if instead of calling the Ginyu Force to Namek, Freeza called Abo and Cado.

I imagine it would be a two against three battle instead. The three humans would be overwhelmed and Goku would interrupt the killing blows. Recognizing his strength from their scouter readings, the two would fuse and declare a dramatic attack. It would be cut short by Goku knocking them out quicker than they can perceive his movement. Events after that are up in the air. The Ginyu Special Corps could afford to separate their unit. The Dragon Balls should still be gathered together unless they brought backup soldiers with them. That would allow the two to fight while the soldiers return the Dragon Balls to base.

[Hellspawn28]

What if Vegeta told Nappa to go Earth on his own to get the Dragon Balls while Vegeta decided to head back to Freeza's HQ?

What if Gohan train with Kuririn and the others at Kami's Lookout instead with Piccolo before Nappa and Vegeta show up?

[apex_pretador]

What if Goku didn't kill Grandpa Gohan?

Gohan gives bulma the dragon ball.
Soon enough, bulma is taken over by Oolong, where she becomes the leader of all these girls, and enjoys her vacations before going back home. Eventually, Pilaf finds about DBs and almost dies searching them.

Goku trains with gohan, and by the time of BoDB, he has become strong enough to give gohan a tough fight. So, gohan takes him to roshi, and requests him to train him. I assume that gohan would've taken out goku's tail by this moment.
Goku trains with roshi & Krillin joins him there. Since goku is much stronger, krillin is outmatched. Krillin gives up training soon.
At 21st TB, goku breezes through the tournament and wins. Gohan tells roshi about the moon and roshi blows it up.
He doesn't encounter RRA. RRA collects the DBs and Bora, who opposes them, beats general blue after a tough fight.
RRA focus their full attention towards bora, and eventually defeats him.

Black kills red and takes over the world using the DBs
Tao pai pai gets enraged and kills everyone from RRA, and his brother aids him.

Goku continues to train with roshi & Gohan, and then leaves them to train on his own.
Goku learns kamehameha after seeing it.

By 22nd TB, goku comes back stronger than ever to participate. However, Tien proves to be more than a match for him, and defeats him with far less difficulty.
Tien is the strongest one on earth, and he kills Goku, Roshi and Gohan with help from chiaotzu, his master and Tao pai pai.

Raditz comes on earth to look for goku, but since goku is dead, he encounters Kami at PL 310 at highest.
Kami tells him that he is not the one raditz is looking for, and Raditz leaves. Raditz scans the next highest power level being 186 (Tien) and again talks to him.

Tien, the most feared assassin of the world, the strongest human, tries to attack him to no effort and raditz kills him with one punch.
Raditz leaves the earth disappointed.


A few months later, dr gero, with cybernetic enhancements, finds tao pai pai and his brother. He kills them to take revenge for the RRA.
He then terrorizes the entire earth. Kami is forced to get down on earth and punish the foolish cyborg himself.

Eventually, Babidi comes down, takes buu's sphere and leaves.


Earth continues to function in a normal way till freeza decides to conquer it, unless beerus wakes up before that happens.

What if Goku won the 21st Tenkachi Budokai

Nothing changes.

If Gohan hadn't softened Piccolo's heart, assuming that he kept his evil nature after merging with Nail, what do you think is his game plan immediately after Porunga zaps everyone to Earth?

Not anything with a definitive answer, just something to keep our imaginations busy for 10 minutes.

He still trains gohan ,even after coming back from Namek. He wisely decides to eliminate vegeta from his way as soon as he becomes powerful enough. However, when Mecha-freeza arrives, and trunks warns them of androids, he decides to train, but just for himself.

He and gohan train as hell, goku trains with vegeta (whose heart has softened by now).
It is piccolo who kills #19 and not vegeta. Vegeta achieves Super Saiyan after ROSAT. Piccolo forces Kami to merge with him, kills imperfect cell, kills vegeta, kills trunks, kills goku, kills krillin, kills everyone who is a threat to him. With gohan at his side, they take over the world.

Soon, Babidi comes down to earth. Piccolo senses dabura's unfathomable power, and he and gohan run away to ROSAT. They traiin for 2 days while kaioshin battles dabura with kibito's help. Kaioshin dies, babidi takes dabra to his planet to blow it up.
Beerus dies, whis disappears.

Babidi comes back on earth, but by now ,SS2 gohan and Piccolo emerge from ROSAT, and vaporize them in one casual blast.

Piccolo & Gohan continue to rule the earth.

[apex_pretador]

Double Posting because 3 what-ifs per post are more than enough IMO

What if Gohan and Goku didn't break the Z sword?

Interesting. Gohan continues to train with Z sword. He soon becomes powerful enough to beat fat buu as a SS2 on his own.

Kibito teleports him to earth, he kills fat buu for good.

Goku & Vegeta remain dead.

What if Gohan and Goku didn't break the Z sword?

He doesn't get his potential unlocked, Super/Ultimate/Mystic Gohan never happens, and when he returns to Earth, Super Boo easily defeats him and absorbs him. Then he goes after Goten, Trunks and Piccolo absorbs them too. Cue Goku and Vegeta with Vegetto becoming a thing and the story plays out like it originally does. Honestly, not much would change. Ultimate Gohan was quite a non-factor in the story.

How do vegetto happens without potara knowledge?

What if during the Cell Games, all seven of the Cell Juniors created by Perfect Cell had turned on their father and joined forces with Gohan and the rest of the Z Fighters just after Perfect Cell had ordered them to attack Gohan's father and friends?

Cell gets overwhelmed by 10 cell jr level fighters + Goku + Gohan.

What if Mr. Son Goku and Mr. Piccolo (Sync With Nail) had their potential unlocked by Grand Elder Guru before they went on to fight most of the Ginyu Force and Second Form Frieza respectively?

Goku's case doesn't change much.

Piccolo kills freeza.

What if Gohan's Masenko killed Third Form Frieza?

Piccolo kills Vegeta.

Trunks comes down to warn of androids. In training, Goku gets HV, takes medicine. He sees gohan's death at the hands of androids to get Super Saiyan. Goku kills androids and cell departs.

They wish back gohan.

Dabra kills them all.

What if Piccolo accidentally blow up Gohan's head by using his clothes beam? How the events would play after that?

Goku brings in dende much sooner.

What if Cell actually crushed Gohan with his bear hug and Goku went SS2 from rage?

Goku kills cell

Vegeta trains to surpass goku.
Goku trains himself.

They fight sometime,goku wins & vegeta vows to beat goku next time.

At 25th TB, they kill Dabra, as gohan does not come with them.

Beerus comes to earth to search for SSG, goku becomes one and DBS proceeds.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if during the Cell Games, all seven of the Cell Juniors created by Perfect Cell had turned on their father and joined forces with Gohan and the rest of the Z Fighters just after Perfect Cell had ordered them to attack Gohan's father and friends?

Cell gets overwhelmed by 10 cell jr level fighters + Goku + Gohan.

Cell Jr. level fighters are jokes to FP Cell, he easily oneshots all of them, and Goku is too exhausted to put up a fight. Even if the Cell Jrs. pull a betrayal Gohan is still the only relevant fighter.

[apex_pretador]

What if during the Cell Games, all seven of the Cell Juniors created by Perfect Cell had turned on their father and joined forces with Gohan and the rest of the Z Fighters just after Perfect Cell had ordered them to attack Gohan's father and friends?

Cell gets overwhelmed by 10 cell jr level fighters + Goku + Gohan.

Cell Jr. level fighters are jokes to FP Cell, he easily oneshots all of them, and Goku is too exhausted to put up a fight. Even if the Cell Jrs. pull a betrayal Gohan is still the only relevant fighter.

Cell jrs were the ones who took senzus away from goku, from what I remember.

And goku or gohan aren't even close to twice as powerful as a single cell jr. Lets not act like 10 cell jr level fighters aren't even relevant here.

Goku (100%) > Cell jr > Vegeta = Trunks >> Goku (around half)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Cell gets overwhelmed by 10 cell jr level fighters + Goku + Gohan.

Cell Jr. level fighters are jokes to FP Cell, he easily oneshots all of them, and Goku is too exhausted to put up a fight. Even if the Cell Jrs. pull a betrayal Gohan is still the only relevant fighter.

Cell jrs were the ones who took senzus away from goku, from what I remember.

And goku or gohan aren't even close to twice as powerful as a single cell jr. Lets not act like 10 cell jr level fighters aren't even relevant here.

Goku (100%) > Cell jr > Vegeta = Trunks >> Goku (around half)

Cell himself stole the Senzus from Kuririn.

More like: FP Cell >> Gohan > Goku (100%) >> Cell Jrs. >= Vegeta = Trunks >= 50% Goku >= Piccolo > Super Vegeta/Trunks.

[apex_pretador]

Cell Jr. level fighters are jokes to FP Cell, he easily oneshots all of them, and Goku is too exhausted to put up a fight. Even if the Cell Jrs. pull a betrayal Gohan is still the only relevant fighter.

Cell jrs were the ones who took senzus away from goku, from what I remember.

And goku or gohan aren't even close to twice as powerful as a single cell jr. Lets not act like 10 cell jr level fighters aren't even relevant here.

Goku (100%) > Cell jr > Vegeta = Trunks >> Goku (around half)

Cell himself stole the Senzus from Kuririn.

More like: FP Cell >> Gohan > Goku (100%) >> Cell Jrs. >= Vegeta = Trunks >= 50% Goku >= Piccolo > Super Vegeta/Trunks.

CG Vegeta was confident in beating cell, who was supposed to be >> 50% goku.
Trunks was his exact equal.
Piccolo was able to handle his own cell jr.

And cell jrs were superior to them.


And even if cell had the senzus, with so many fighters they can steal back senzus, or atleast one of it.

Gohan was able to keep up with full speed cell, dodging several of his beams and able to kick him away.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Cell jrs were the ones who took senzus away from goku, from what I remember.

And goku or gohan aren't even close to twice as powerful as a single cell jr. Lets not act like 10 cell jr level fighters aren't even relevant here.

Goku (100%) > Cell jr > Vegeta = Trunks >> Goku (around half)

Cell himself stole the Senzus from Kuririn.

More like: FP Cell >> Gohan > Goku (100%) >> Cell Jrs. >= Vegeta = Trunks >= 50% Goku >= Piccolo > Super Vegeta/Trunks.

CG Vegeta was confident in beating cell, who was supposed to be >> 50% goku.
Trunks was his exact equal.
Piccolo was able to handle his own cell jr.

And cell jrs were superior to them.


And even if cell had the senzus, with so many fighters they can steal back senzus, or atleast one of it.

Gohan was able to keep up with full speed cell, dodging several of his beams and able to kick him away.

Gohan is the only one capable of doing that, and he lacks the will to fight. The others can't even touch Cell before they get oneshotted. And Vegeta only felt confident at the start of Goku and Cell's fight, as soon as they powered up he realized he was thoroughly outmatched.

[apex_pretador]

Cell himself stole the Senzus from Kuririn.

More like: FP Cell >> Gohan > Goku (100%) >> Cell Jrs. >= Vegeta = Trunks >= 50% Goku >= Piccolo > Super Vegeta/Trunks.

CG Vegeta was confident in beating cell, who was supposed to be >> 50% goku.
Trunks was his exact equal.
Piccolo was able to handle his own cell jr.

And cell jrs were superior to them.


And even if cell had the senzus, with so many fighters they can steal back senzus, or atleast one of it.

Gohan was able to keep up with full speed cell, dodging several of his beams and able to kick him away.

Gohan is the only one capable of doing that, and he lacks the will to fight. The others can't even touch Cell before they get oneshotted. And Vegeta only felt confident at the start of Goku and Cell's fight, as soon as they powered up he realized he was thoroughly outmatched.

If piccolo dies, gohan would more than likely explode in rage.

And vegeta was confident AFTER he sensed goku's power at karin, then listen him say that goku is no match for cell.

[TheUltimateNinja]

CG Vegeta was confident in beating cell, who was supposed to be >> 50% goku.
Trunks was his exact equal.
Piccolo was able to handle his own cell jr.

And cell jrs were superior to them.


And even if cell had the senzus, with so many fighters they can steal back senzus, or atleast one of it.

Gohan was able to keep up with full speed cell, dodging several of his beams and able to kick him away.

Gohan is the only one capable of doing that, and he lacks the will to fight. The others can't even touch Cell before they get oneshotted. And Vegeta only felt confident at the start of Goku and Cell's fight, as soon as they powered up he realized he was thoroughly outmatched.

If piccolo dies, gohan would more than likely explode in rage.

And vegeta was confident AFTER he sensed goku's power at karin, then listen him say that goku is no match for cell.

Even if Gohan gets angry he still can't beat Cell using only MSSJ, he needs SSJ2 and he can't achieve that unless someone gets killed, which may happen.

I'm talking about when Goku and Cell powered up at the Cell Games, that was when Vegeta realized Goku was still above him. And Goku wasn't even at max then as he powers up even more later on and the others comment on how his ki is still constantly rising throughout the fight, so Goku was probably only at 60-70% when he intimidated Vegeta.

[nickzambuto]

What if Frieza trained for 4 months and 1 day?

I know this is a joke but my personal interpretation is that the Golden form was Freeza approaching the apex of his potential. He can still train and continue growing stronger, just as Goku has repeatedly reached his full potential or his limits and simply broken passed it, but once his reserves of hidden strength are fully realized, he won't be growing at the same incredible rate anymore. Freeza only gained so much power so quickly because it was all untapped potential; if he needs to create new strength after unleashing everything he had inside him, he'd grow at a more normal rate.

So basically the extra day wouldn't change anything. If he took a few days or weeks or months to control the power drain on his Golden form, then he would have won. Well actually he already did win in the original story, Whis bailed everyone out by reversing time. So nothing would be different. Freeza would win again, this time easier though, and Whis would reverse time for Goku and Vegeta to work together.

What if Frieza spent his 4 months in the time chamber?

120 years?! Who knows!

[TheUltimateNinja]

I know this is a joke but my personal interpretation is that the Golden form was Freeza approaching the apex of his potential. He can still train and continue growing stronger, just as Goku has repeatedly reached his full potential or his limits and simply broken passed it, but once his reserves of hidden strength are fully realized, he won't be growing at the same incredible rate anymore. Freeza only gained so much power so quickly because it was all untapped potential; if he needs to create new strength after unleashing everything he had inside him, he'd grow at a more normal rate.

So basically the extra day wouldn't change anything. If he took a few days or weeks or months to control the power drain on his Golden form, then he would have won. Well actually he already did win in the original story, Whis bailed everyone out by reversing time. So nothing would be different. Freeza would win again, this time easier though, and Whis would reverse time for Goku and Vegeta to work together.

What if Frieza spent his 4 months in the time chamber?

120 years?! Who knows!

He may even achieve Diamond Frieza.