Bullza wrote:No that is the assumption. You don't know he wasn't using it in the same amount. All Goku said was that "I don't feel like I got weaker at all" His strength did not drop one iota going from SSJG to SSJ. Beerus deemed it as inadequate initially only after Goku ran out of breathe and had to be saved from drowning and you can't say he was only in that position because he was weaker because there's nothing to say that the SSJG Goku from a moment earlier wouldn't have had the exact thing happen to him because he can't breathe under water either.
If Goku's power wasn't inadequate, then he wouldn't have been in that position by Beerus' own word, so nah. SSJG Goku wouldn't have been in that position. You're not making any sense. You're basically saying that Goku's power being deemed inadequate is due to his inability to breathe underwater, but no it was due to his power.
Goku was using the same power, but not in the same amount. This is blatantly obvious. Your argument is saying that there should be no difference between SSJ and SSB Goku, which makes no sense whatsoever.
How is it a guess? He said as a SSJG he was fighting at 100%. He went back to being a SSJ of equal strength and then soon after powered up even further yet again. Then he said he was using every last ounce of power but then still found more power from somewhere to destroy a much more powerful energy mass.
All whilst they kept talking about his limits.
If SSJG was stated to be at full power and SSJ Goku is shown powering up, then that means that before he powered up, he was below the maximum. If Beerus labels post god Goku's power as inadequate for someone who absorbed SSJG, then he isn't operating at it's full power.
As was said before, nothing implies that Goku surpassed his limits yet again. He just didn''t hit his current limit. His current limit allowed him to disrupt the sphere by punching the core and he was knocked out in the process. That's it. No need to make this far more complicated than it needs to be.
Of course it does, the word limit is defined as "a point or level beyond which something does not or may not extend or pass". If Goku was capable of bringing it out more power then it was not his limit. If he could have brought out more power then he would have but he couldn't, he thought at that point that the fight was over. It was only after he surpassed his limits did he bring out more power.
Gohan was never said to have been at his limit unlike Goku and the poison was clearly effecting him. Goku also wasn't out of Ki after that Kamehameha either so those aren't good examples.
No, that's just the amount of power they can keep releasing at a time. The amount of power they can constantly flow into their attacks at a time does not cross X threshold.
By definition, Gohan was at his limit unless you're assuming that he was holding back, so nah. Yet he wasn't even close to being out of energy unlike Goku and Vegito whom were stated to charge their attacks with every ounce of their ki preemptively before firing it.
That is completely wrong going by what Toriyama himself said.
"Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God."
That is why in the anime because he did absorb it's power it has never been seen again. In the manga they never said anything about him absorbing the power and that is why it is seen again. Yes I know it happened in the movie, at the time is confused people because of it but it was a mistake they seemingly fixed with the anime by having Base Goku destroy the sun looking sphere in place of where SSJG Goku did so in the movie.
It's talking about the ritual. The ritual was the only known way to transform into a Super Saiyan God, but since he made the power his own, he doesn't need the ritual. Hence why everyone is surprised that Goku can turn into a Super Saiyan God without the ritual during the fight against Freeza. Goku transformed into an SSJG to stop Beerus' attack, so yes he did have a need for the form in the movie itself.
SSJG was never seen again because the writers didn't make Goku transform into it. Don't know why you're guessing a reason as to why it never appeared again. Nothing implies that SSJG Goku countering the sphere was a mistake. You and the "other people" you're referring to are only being confused by your own bias.
The writers made SSJG Goku in the movie negate the sphere because that's simply what they did.
The writers made Goku without SSJG in the anime negate the sphere because that's simply what they did.
God Ki has nothing to do with their strength. He no longer had God Ki after he went back to Super Saiyan because they were all sensing him on Earth but his strength didn't change.
If that's the case, then Super Saiyan Blue Goku shouldn't be any different than Super Saiyan Goku, yet he is. You can't keep ignoring that. Both SSJG and SSJ Goku were using power sources of equal power, which is the Super Saiyan God power. They were not using it in the same amounts for reasons that were already stated multiple times.
It's not wrong. It is a clear issue with the anime. He's able to turn into a Super Saiyan in the manga because he doesn't have the power of a Super Saiyan God in Base as is proven because he can turn into a Super Saiyan God to get stronger.
The anime had Goku absorb it's power though like in the movie and when he turns Super Saiyan he's just supposed to be blue now. This messed things up when Super Saiyan came back into it because if he could still turn into the regular Super Saiyan then he shouldn't have the power of a God but they already said that he did.
No there is no problem. Something going against your beliefs gives the illusion of something being wrong, but that's just your bias. You're trying to over-complicate everything for no reason at all and it's getting ridiculous. If what you're saying is true, then he would've went Super Saiyan Blue against Beerus. The same fight that you're trying to use as evidence contradicts your argument.
Goku in the anime can transform into an SSJG, just like his manga and movie counterparts. He doesn't just happen to be the only one that can't transform into it because you say so. He mastered the form itself in order to evolve it to Super Saiyan Blue. That is stated, so he can still use the SSJG transformation whenever he wants.
