The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kid Buu]

Drum Vs Cyborg Tao

[DieHard]

Tao,everyone is much stronger at the tournament.

[RandomGuy96]

Drum stomps.

[KentalSSJ6]

Luffy, Ichigo, and Naruto all at their current points in their respective sagas VS 23rd Budokai Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Luffy, Ichigo, and Naruto all at their current points in their respective sagas VS 23rd Budokai Goku.

Do you mean all 3 together, or one at a time?

[KentalSSJ6]

Luffy, Ichigo, and Naruto all at their current points in their respective sagas VS 23rd Budokai Goku.

Do you mean all 3 together, or one at a time?

Hell, why not both?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku vs Naruto
Naruto wins this. He has the Rikudo Senjutsu now, which make him extremely strong, fast, and durable, and he can use the Truth-Seeking Balls, which destroy anything they come in contact. He can also use the abilities of the other Bijuu, such as to create Senpou: Jiton Rasengan to seal the movement of others regardless of their strength, Senpou: Yoton Rasenshuriken, which has huge cutting power & range, and Biju Dama Rasenshuriken, which has huge destructive power & range, and he can fire at least 6 of them at once. Other powerful techniques he can use are Senpou: Futon Chou Odama Rasenshuriken, Senpou: Chou Odama Rasen Tarengan, Chou Mini Bijuu Dama, and Wakusei Rasengan. He is also very skilled in Taijutsu, and can use Kage Bushin no Jutsu to create clones to assist him, he can create chakra arms that can extend, and he can transform into the Kyuubi to become a huge powerful fox, and use the Bijuu Dama.

Goku vs Luffy
I think Luffy wins, but after a hard fight. He is very durable thanks to his rubber body, he is very strong & fast, especially when using Gear 2nd, he is extremely strong when using Gear 3rd, and he has Busoshuku no Haki to make him even stronger & durable, especially with Busoshuku: Koka. He can also predict Goku's movements with the Kenbunshoku no Haki, giving him even better reflexes. His most powerful techniques are Gomu Gomu no Red Hawk (in Gear 2nd) & Gomu Gomu no Elephant Gatling (in Gear 3rd), and he should be able to create even more powerful versions of these attacks by using Gear 2nd & Gear 3rd together.

Goku vs Ichigo
The only thing I know about Ichigo is that he has a sword, so I can't comment in that.

And I guess I don't have to speak about the 3 vs 1 fight, right?

[White Oni]

Luffy, Ichigo, and Naruto all at their current points in their respective sagas VS 23rd Budokai Goku.

I actually quite like this one.

Hmm.

Well Goku can make FAR faster than Naruto, so he'd be no challenge at all.

Counter argument: "NO! He's just as fast if not faster!"

Counter counter: Lol really now?
Can he do this?

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Didn't think so, sit down.

As for Luffy, I haven't finished OP yet, so I really don't know the extent of his abilities. His durability sounds like it would be of great help to him but he can be beat down by blows and Iono how he'd fair against ki blasts. What I really need to know in order to make this call is exactly how fast Luffy is as of now. I've seen him dodge energy blasts, but I have no idea how fast they were moving. I've googled it and I've heard people say he moves at mach 15... That's fast, and traveling, it might escape human sight. But I'm not sure Luffy combats at mach 15 speeds, neither am I sure mach 15 speeds would remove fighters combating in a controlled area from human sight for extended period of time, like in DB. So... Iono, I'm guessing Goku takes this, but I don't know enough about luffy to call this.


The only real fighter among the 3 that I'm confident stands a chance is Ichigo and that's only because his ability is basically "I IS FAST!"

I guess it depends on a number of things, one important one being "can Ichigo's sword break his durability?" Ima go with yes. The next thing that comes to mind is "Which is faster." It's really hard to tell, as Ichigo is basically constantly in a state of shinpo (Flash step) which is far faster than the eye can observe. This reminds me of Goku's after image technique. Goku is no stranger to combat in a state so fast that no normal eye can catch what's occurring. He has fought so fast that he and his opponent were literally invisible to the audience. Ichigo has traveled so fast that several images of himself appeared around his opponent, someone with the ability to observe extremely high speed movement. This makes things really hard to figure out. There aren't many, if any at all, feats done in front of normal humans that we can use to draw conclusions from. Is ichigo's speed circle visible to a human eye? if so, one of his biggest speed feats is slower than Goku's who's completely invisible. If it's someone only Byakuya could have seen, then he could be moving far faster than goku... Iono, and that feat was from a far weaker Goku. I think that if Ichigo could reach and hit Goku with a Getsuga Tenshō, Goku could be done for. A Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō would be overkill, but I doubt he would, if he could, use it against him. What settles this for me is Ichigo's Blut Vene, something that I think might make most of Goku's attacks pointless against him. (this assumes that Ichigo's able to keep easy track of Goku's movements)

So the short answer is:

Goku vs Naruto = Goku slaughters

Goku vs Luffy = ????

Goku vs Ichigo = assuming Ichigo is just as fast or faster, then Ichigo wins. If Goku's considerably faster, Goku probably wins. If he's far faster, Ichigo has no chance.

[KentalSSJ6]

Umm, question.

Since when does catching automatic gunfire factor into catching orbs that would essentially erase your hand on contact? Unless Goku can fight with stubs, Current Naruto > 23rd Budokai Goku.

[White Oni]

Umm, question.

Since when does catching automatic gunfire factor into catching orbs that would essentially erase your hand on contact? Unless Goku can fight with stubs, Current Naruto > 23rd Budokai Goku.

Lol, that was funny thing to imagine.

What I was using that feat for was an example of the difference in speed between the fighters.

Naruto is no where near as fast as roshi and roshi isn't anywhere near as fast as the Goku we're talking about.

So even though naruto may have the means to harm or kill Goku, he'd never get a chance to execute them, as Goku would kill him before he could finish blinking.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And how do you know that Naruto can't do that? He is one of the fastest shinobi in the world.

[White Oni]

And how do you know that Naruto can't do that? He is one of the fastest shinobi in the world.

Not only has naruto not performed a feat anywhere near that caliber of speed.

1) there are way too many cases where he could have used this level of skill to save himself or others harm.
2) the most powerful form of naruto was amaZed by sasukes's ability to destroy the rocks falling from the sky, before they hit the ground. Sasuke could have done this at less than Mach 1 speeds... The fact that it amazed naruto just screams of how slow he is in comparison to goku.

Naruto also has extremely crap durability, insane regeneration, but near human durability. There's not a chance in heaven that he'd be able to tank a single blow from goku.

The one and only way naruto could win would be if he was fast enough to land one of his god hax attacks on him, because he does have stupid high damage output. But even then, goku has tanks moon busters by this point. So really I'm not sure anything short of a "this ball melts anything" hax would work, as we've seen that powerful beast bombs destroy mountains.

[KentalSSJ6]

Regarding Ichigo VS Goku, its tough because

1, Ichigo just went through ANOTHER change and has no current feats to be shown in it as of now (also will not be showing any hollowfied/vizard feats as his hollow powers haven't been seen since before his fight with Aizen)

2, His strength varies on a large deal of factors (Shikai, Bankai, Vizard, etc).

One thing that has been consistent with Ichigo is that this guy is all about speed and reflexes.

He was able to repel Byakuya's Senbonzakura, which is literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of cherry blossom sized swords without a scratch during the Soul Society arc.

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Also during his fight with Byakuya he demonstrates his speed by moving so fast that he creates roughly 10 afterimages of himself, all visible at the same time

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During the fight with Aizen, he was able to read and intercept Gin's Bankai, Kamishine no Yari, a blade that can extend up to 8.1 miles at 500 times the speed of sound. Thats 170 thousand miles a second.

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Ichigo once again demonstrates his speed against Ginjo after regaining his powers, able to leave multiple visible afterimages.

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His signature Getsuga Tenshou has shown to have power capable of leveling a city block and can be used at any range.

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During his fight with Aizen, he was shown shattering entire mountains from the sheer force of his swing alone, his blade never touching them.

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Has survived being stabbed through the chest multiple times by the likes of Kenpachi, Ulquiorra, his Hollow self, and Ginjo

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So yeah, Ichigo can prove to be a real threat at the moment, seeing as all these feats were accomplished by weaker incarnations of himself and without the out of any Hollow powers. Have to stay tuned as he's about to debut his new power this weak but as it stands, I think he could probably take Goku with his Bankai.

EDIT - Powers and abilities listed via Bleach Wiki - http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kur ... _Abilities (Remember to ignore Hollow/Vizard feats as it remains unknown that he still has them in the current point of the manga).

[The Monkey King]

23rd BT Goku at full power can dish out moon destroying KHHs, when low on ki he can still tank large country level attacks.

I'd say individually Goku can take them.

During the fight with Aizen, he was able to read and intercept Gin's Bankai, Kamishine no Yari, a blade that can extend up to 8.1 miles at 500 times the speed of sound. Thats 170 thousand miles a second.

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Ichigo once again demonstrates his speed against Ginjo after regaining his powers, able to leave multiple visible afterimages.

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Gin lied about his Bankai's speed.

Afterimages are a trope and aren't quantifiable speed feats, Goku was making them since the 21st BT.

[TheGmGoken]

Yoko vs Pilfar gang. Yoko db gauntlet. How far she goes.

Shang Chi vs Dragonball how far he goes

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not only has naruto not performed a feat anywhere near that caliber of speed.

1) there are way too many cases where he could have used this level of skill to save himself or others harm.

Like?

2) the most powerful form of naruto was amaZed by sasukes's ability to destroy the rocks falling from the sky, before they hit the ground. Sasuke could have done this at less than Mach 1 speeds... The fact that it amazed naruto just screams of how slow he is in comparison to goku.

Not only we have no idea how fast Sasuke was, but also, running speed isn't the same as fighting speed.

Naruto also has extremely crap durability

In his normal state only. In his Sage, Kyuubi Chakra, Bijuu, and Rikudo Senjutsu Modes, he is much more durable.

[White Oni]

Not only has naruto not performed a feat anywhere near that caliber of speed.

1) there are way too many cases where he could have used this level of skill to save himself or others harm.

Like?

2) the most powerful form of naruto was amaZed by sasukes's ability to destroy the rocks falling from the sky, before they hit the ground. Sasuke could have done this at less than Mach 1 speeds... The fact that it amazed naruto just screams of how slow he is in comparison to goku.

Not only we have no idea how fast Sasuke was, but also, running speed isn't the same as fighting speed.

Naruto also has extremely crap durability

In his normal state only. In his Sage, Kyuubi Chakra, Bijuu, and Rikudo Senjutsu Modes, he is much more durable.

There are countless people he could have pushed out of the way of objects and countless projectiles he could have easily avoided.

To put it into perspective, sasuke complains that there are too many rocks. the rocks are still falling as other events happen, like sakura talking to naruto and such.

This means that the rocks are falling pretty damn slow. If sasuke was moving at mach 1 speeds, he wouldn't be worried about how many there were.

That's true, I'm factoring in damage coming in from an equally powerful source, so his durability probably isn't that terrible.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There are countless people he could have pushed out of the way of objects and countless projectiles he could have easily avoided.

... Like?

To put it into perspective, sasuke complains that there are too many rocks. the rocks are still falling as other events happen, like sakura talking to naruto and such.

This means that the rocks are falling pretty damn slow. If sasuke was moving at mach 1 speeds, he wouldn't be worried about how many there were.

Like I said, running speed =/= fighting speed. Because like Batman asked, who's faster, Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee?

And this is even proved in Dragon Ball itself. Look how fast they are fighting in the 21st TB, and look how long it takes for Goku (Saiyan arc) to go to Kaio's Planet, or how long it takes for base Gohan (Boo arc) to go to school.

[White Oni]

There are countless people he could have pushed out of the way of objects and countless projectiles he could have easily avoided.

... Like?

To put it into perspective, sasuke complains that there are too many rocks. the rocks are still falling as other events happen, like sakura talking to naruto and such.

This means that the rocks are falling pretty damn slow. If sasuke was moving at mach 1 speeds, he wouldn't be worried about how many there were.

Like I said, running speed =/= fighting speed. Because like Batman asked, who's faster, Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee?

And this is even proved in Dragon Ball itself. Look how fast they are fighting in the 21st TB, and look how long it takes for Goku (Saiyan arc) to go to Kaio's Planet, or how long it takes for base Gohan (Boo arc) to go to school.

So dozens against the jubii alone. A certain someone, comes to mind.

That's a terrible use of that quote. Batman uses it when wonderwoman and superman are speaking about who's faster. Sure, her CB speed is greater than supes, but superman's traveling speed blows her CB speed away. The same can be said about most DC characters, where built momentum is FAR faster than fighting speeds.

Anyways, there's literally no evidence that naruto characters move at the speeds needed to match 23rd budaki Goku. And FAR too many that suggest they do not. Like the many chase scenes and the many observable fights.

[KentalSSJ6]

SSJ4 Gogeta runs the Gurren Lagann gauntlet. How far does he get?

Gurren Lagann?

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Arc Gurren Lagann?

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Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann?

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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?

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Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?

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