Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[KingofWisdom]

But seeing post after post of people literally saying 'Wow, way to go FUNi! How DARE you base a product on a previous product that sold well! How DARE you put making money on a higher pedestal than quality, just like a BUSINESS does!' is making my head hurt very, very much. Oiii.

I would not care about FUNi's money-making schemes if they put out a definitive release (at least until a better remaster comes out, if ever). They've released DBZ correctly a grand total of one time (and even that's debatable). The only way to watch the show now is to get the faux-remastered DVDs, or the even worse all-new Blu-Rays. I feel like I can't even watch the show because the orange bricks look like crud.

[Ajay]

It frustrates me to no end to see people claiming that SD footage is acceptable

Cuz it kind of...is...acceptable, for a lot of us? I for one still don't understand how people can act like DVDs are suddenly not even worth having. I sure don't recall people acting like this during all the time before Bluray. Hell, I don't even remember people acting like that when DVD first came out and was a drastic improvement from VHS.

The internet just allowed people to be more vocal, it was certainly out there amongst enthusiasts during the switchover.

For me, I find DVD unacceptable (at least for film) because I absolutely shudder at the sign of any macroblocking, banding and all the other issues that come from something like a DVD. It's less common now but things like aspect ratio, correct colours and of course, audio as it should be heard were not guaranteed but are no longer issues with Blu-Ray.

With animation, at least with cel animation. I find grain to be such an intrinsic part of the product and it's not something DVD deals with too well. The Dragon Boxes are beautiful, don't get me wrong but they aren't a touch on the clarity that the Level Sets brought as an overall product.

It's just little things like that. I'm a stickler for quality so my opinions are certainly exaggerated compared to the general consumer.

[Black_Anime_Fan]

It frustrates me to no end to see people claiming that SD footage is acceptable

Cuz it kind of...is...acceptable, for a lot of us? I for one still don't understand how people can act like DVDs are suddenly not even worth having. I sure don't recall people acting like this during all the time before Bluray. Hell, I don't even remember people acting like that when DVD first came out and was a drastic improvement from VHS.

The internet just allowed people to be more vocal, it was certainly out there amongst enthusiasts during the switchover.

For me, I find DVD unacceptable (at least for film) because I absolutely shudder at the sign of any macroblocking, banding and all the other issues that come from something like a DVD. It's less common now but things like aspect ratio, correct colours and of course, audio as it should be heard were not guaranteed but are no longer issues with Blu-Ray.

With animation, at least with cel animation. I find grain to be such an intrinsic part of the product and it's not something DVD deals with too well. The Dragon Boxes are beautiful, don't get me wrong but they aren't a touch on the clarity that the Level Sets brought as an overall product.

It's just little things like that. I'm a stickler for quality so my opinions are certainly exaggerated compared to the general consumer.

Agreed. I just wish we'd get another Definitive release on Blu-Ray with quality of the Level sets. Those make the quality of the Dragon Boxes (and especially the Orange Bricks) blow chunks.

[G1GACANN0N]

DVD is a worthless abomination compared to Blu-ray. If you think otherwise then get a better TV and surround sound system. Also, Blu-ray is NOT NEW people...it's been out since late 2005, the same time the Xbox 360 came out! 1080p is meh. Get with the times! Pretty soon those bastards at Funimation will be trying to sell us some 4K BS.

[KingofWisdom]

They revealed the Kikuchi score was gonna be on here right?

Yes.

Main Feature Audio: Dolby TrueHD: English 2.0, Dolby TrueHD: English 5.1 with Japanese Music, Japanese

[MarcFBR]

DVD is a worthless abomination compared to Blu-ray.

Well that's opinion. Blu-ray is far better... but abomination? We don't need the hypobole.

If you think otherwise then get a better TV and surround sound system.

When someone's opinion is 'spend a bunch of money' it makes it very easy for a large number of people to ignore them.

Also, Blu-ray is NOT NEW people...it's been out since late 2005, the same time the Xbox 360 came out!

Well that's just wrong... it didn't come out in 2005 at the same time as the Xbox 360.

1080p is meh. Get with the times! Pretty soon those bastards at Funimation will be trying to sell us some 4K BS.

I'm not sure at this point if you are joking or not. Of course they will try and sell 4k to us once it's marketable enough. Why wouldn't they? Hell, Sony already is.

[Gyt Kaliba]

DVD is a worthless abomination compared to Blu-ray. If you think otherwise then get a better TV and surround sound system. Also, Blu-ray is NOT NEW people...it's been out since late 2005, the same time the Xbox 360 came out! 1080p is meh. Get with the times! Pretty soon those bastards at Funimation will be trying to sell us some 4K BS.

Uh, yeah, I'll get right on that. Oh wait! I'm not made of money, and am just fine with my current TV and DVD player. Not all of us have this burning need to be at the forefront of technology or, again, the money too. Especially not when there's far more important things to spend my minimal budget on at this point in my life.

Seriously, 'worthless abomination'? Gee, I sure wish I was born with a silver spoon in my hand like you apparently were.

[G1GACANN0N]

They revealed the Kikuchi score was gonna be on here right?

Yes.

Main Feature Audio: Dolby TrueHD: English 2.0, Dolby TrueHD: English 5.1 with Japanese Music, Japanese

Cheers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQF6mLraX48

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

So, question, and I don't joke when I ask it; are we going to bring down Kai now, too? Because Kai's guilty of color changes, blurring background for foreground, blurring everything in general sometimes, and its reanimated nonsense besides. Because these sets are doing unnecessary, stupid things, but my eyes aren't hurting like they do from the average Organge Brick shot. But then, DVD peasant here, don't mind me.

DVD is a worthless abomination compared to Blu-ray. If you think otherwise then get a better TV and surround sound system. Also, Blu-ray is NOT NEW people...it's been out since late 2005, the same time the Xbox 360 came out! 1080p is meh. Get with the times! Pretty soon those bastards at Funimation will be trying to sell us some 4K BS.

Uh, yeah, I'll get right on that. Oh wait! I'm not made of money, and am just fine with my current TV and DVD player. Not all of us have this burning need to be at the forefront of technology or, again, the money too. Especially not when there's far more important things to spend my minimal budget on at this point in my life.

Seriously, 'worthless abomination'? Gee, I sure wish I was born with a silver spoon in my hand like you apparently were.

While you're absolutely right to point out that blu-ray players are out of the price range of some media budgets or gifting occasions (Cheap DVD players are what, $20~30, Blu-Rays $60~70, off the shelf? All depends on where, I guess.) shooting back like that when Giga's the one with anything resembling a tone problem (And there really wasn't much of one) doesn't help anyone.

(...Is it uncouth from one forum goer to another to suggest "Calm down a bit before you post?" Because I've done that before and it really helps.

Funimation is certainly entitled to molest the footage and make a big buck. Treating your fans like shit has worked for Nintendo for many years, it's a legitimate business strategy.

Which is particularly weird when the Wii, the console that's supposed to be the <i>living and deliberate incarnation</i> of this problem, ended up being able to make a perfectly decent case for being the best Nintendo home machine since the SNES.

Oh look another Nintendo analogy in the same topic, yay.

Also, $10 says FUNimation releases DBZ on Blu-Ray again by the time these current Blu-Rays finish .

Oh god I just realized something...depending on how these sell..what if they do the Kai Buu saga like this...?

I highly doubt that. Toei probably has enough control over that version of the product, plus they've already done Kai as an HD version themselves. FUNi will probably just release whatever Toei gives them.

That. Buu Kai is Toei's product.

[Black_Anime_Fan]

DVD is a worthless abomination compared to Blu-ray. If you think otherwise then get a better TV and surround sound system. Also, Blu-ray is NOT NEW people...it's been out since late 2005, the same time the Xbox 360 came out! 1080p is meh. Get with the times! Pretty soon those bastards at Funimation will be trying to sell us some 4K BS.

I agree with what you just said, but are you sure having the words Blu-ray , 2005, and Xbox 360 in the same sentence a good idea? And isn't 1080p Blu-Ray's Native resolution?

[Metalwario64]

It frustrates me to no end to see people claiming that SD footage is acceptable

Cuz it kind of...is...acceptable, for a lot of us? I for one still don't understand how people can act like DVDs are suddenly not even worth having. I sure don't recall people acting like this during all the time before Bluray. Hell, I don't even remember people acting like that when DVD first came out and was a drastic improvement from VHS.

Yeah, and I for one think DVD was a bigger leap from VHS than Blu-ray is from DVD.

Obviously, Blu-ray is higher resolution, but I'm saying that and storage space are basically all that it amounts to. DVD was digital, which meant you movies would no longer degrade as the years go by, and the addition of menus and extra features really added a lot (obviously Laserdiscs had special features, but I'm talking about the main formats adopted by the masses).

DVD was more of a game changer, while Blu-ray was more of a quality refinement. I for one disagree with the "DVD is unwatchable" attitude that's been cropping up lately. There are many old shows and movies that will never be released on Blu-ray due to either being shot on video, or where the source film no longer exists. Are these all suddenly unwatchable now?

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I personally don't have a Blu-ray player or an HDTV (my Dad does though), because I'm quite content with my Sony Trinitron CRT. Almost everything I throw at it looks nice (NES games through RF look nice and clean on it for heavens sake!), and while Blu-ray is an obvious improvement, I'm not in any rush to go out and repurchase all of my movies just for better picture quality, and even then not all of my DVDs have Blu-ray counterparts (and lots never will). That, and most of the old games I play look terrible on HDTVs (NES through RF or Composite look atrocious on HDTVs). It's nice to have lots of movies look nicer, but that's not really my priority. I care more about the movies and shows themselves these days.

Eventually I'll probably upgrade, it's just that right now I have no motivation to do so. I'm fine with what I have, and I can use that money on other movies and games and such that I don't have at all.

Also, I know people have a tendency to take things I say the wrong way, so I'll add that I'm not trying to take anything away from the format, nor am I saying people are wrong for upgrading to Blu-ray, just pointing out why I haven't yet upgraded, and why it's a bit narrow minded for people to think I'm in the wrong for haven't not done so yet.

[G1GACANN0N]

Well that's just wrong... it didn't come out in 2005 at the same time as the Xbox 360.

http://www.aviransplace.com/2005/11/18/ ... -ray-disc/

[Ajay]

nor am I saying people are wrong for upgrading to Blu-ray, just pointing out why I haven't yet upgraded, and why it's a bit narrow minded for people to think I'm in the wrong for haven't not done so yet.

I get that but at the same time, I find it very naive of you to say that Blu-Ray only amounts to higher resolution and storage space when there's a hell of a lot of major components that result in the much higher quality you see on Blu-Ray.

But yes, I agree. I'm not trying to say DVD is 'an abomination' as someone so strangely put it nor would I ever condemn someone for watching SD content or not upgrading. A majority of the DVDs that are released now look fantastic due to the extra work put in for Blu-Rays so it's not like the DVDs look anywhere near as bad as they used to in some circumstances.

I just take issue with those who say there's no difference. That is factually incorrect.

Oh, I should probably add, I'm so with you on the old games thing. So many titles were designed with the scanlines in place that the art is butchered on modern TVs. Thank god for emulation and virtual scanlines!

[Gyt Kaliba]

While you're absolutely right to point out that blu-ray players are out of the price range of some media budgets or gifting occasions (Cheap DVD players are what, $20~30, Blu-Rays $60~70, off the shelf? All depends on where, I guess.) shooting back like that when Giga's the one with anything resembling a tone problem (And there really wasn't much of one) doesn't help anyone.

(...Is it uncouth from one forum goer to another to suggest "Calm down a bit before you post?" Because I've done that before and it really helps.

You're right, I should probably have calmed myself a bit before responding. I apologize for kinda shooting from the hip like that, but that holier than thou attitude there hit me hard enough that I snapped quicker than I could think.

Yeah, and I for one think DVD was a bigger leap from VHS than Blu-ray is from DVD. ... Eventually I'll probably upgrade, it's just that right now I have no motivation to do so. I'm fine with what I have, and I can use that money on other movies and games and such that I don't have at all. Also, I know people have a tendency to take things I say the wrong way, so I'll add that I'm not trying to take anything away from the format, nor am I saying people are wrong for upgrading to Blu-ray, just pointing out why I haven't yet upgraded, and why it's a bit narrow minded for people to think I'm in the wrong for haven't not done so yet.

Exactly my point, that's what I'm trying to say in a nutshell. VHS to DVD had a lot more noticeable improvements from where I sit, and I didn't even fully upgrade to that for a good few years after DVDs had taken over. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that viewpoint, despite how some put it.

[G1GACANN0N]

Sorry, maybe it's just me. When DVD was the norm I was 15 so I didn't really care about home theatre systems. When I started working full time I got a 42" plasma for like $600 back in 2007 which was an amazing deal back then. Also got a Blu-ray drive for my gaming PC for around $100 and that's how I started. My first Blu-rays were Apocalypto & 3:10 to Yuma. I didn't get into surround sound until a few years later. Now I have a top of the line 50" Plasma and 7.1. IMO the audio is just as important as the video improvement on Blu-ray, if not more. I live in a condo and can't even turn my surround up very high and it sounds amazing, can't even imagine what it'll be like when I get a house someday! Cranking up some DBZ Kai listening to those Kikuchi tunes in lossless glory is awesome.The other day I popped in the Jack Reacher DVD by accident and immediately was like "WTF IS THIS SHIT?!?!". Sorry for being a A/Vphile.

Anyways back on topic. I want Kikuchi for Buu Kai, and this release can blow me.

[MarcFBR]

Well that's just wrong... it didn't come out in 2005 at the same time as the Xbox 360.

http://www.aviransplace.com/2005/11/18/ ... -ray-disc/

Read the actual article. That was a test disk shipped to companies to test on their pre-release players.

The first player and discs that came out were in June 2006.

[qjz123]

Exactly my point, that's what I'm trying to say in a nutshell. VHS to DVD had a lot more noticeable improvements from where I sit, and I didn't even fully upgrade to that for a good few years after DVDs had taken over. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that viewpoint, despite how some put it.

Video quality isn't the only area where blu rays improved upon DvD's the audio quality of a lossless 7.1 surround sound track on a proper surround sound system is out of this world. People who say that blu ray isn't a huge improvement over DVD or that the jump from Vhs to Dvd was more noticeable than the jump from DVD to blu ray are severely bottle necked by their equipment. If your watching a blu ray on a cheap tv and listening to it through your tv's built in speakers you haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what blu rays are capable of.

[TheAldella]

Well that's just wrong... it didn't come out in 2005 at the same time as the Xbox 360.

http://www.aviransplace.com/2005/11/18/ ... -ray-disc/

Read the actual article. That was a test disk shipped to companies to test on their pre-release players.

The first player and discs that came out were in June 2006.

A year later and almost 8 years ago. I don't see how that really poses any significant difference. His argument is still very valid.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

nor am I saying people are wrong for upgrading to Blu-ray, just pointing out why I haven't yet upgraded, and why it's a bit narrow minded for people to think I'm in the wrong for haven't not done so yet.

I get that but at the same time, I find it very naive of you to say that Blu-Ray only amounts to higher resolution and storage space when there's a hell of a lot of major components that result in the much higher quality you see on Blu-Ray.

But yes, I agree. I'm not trying to say DVD is 'an abomination' as someone so strangely put it nor would I ever condemn someone for watching SD content or not upgrading. A majority of the DVDs that are released now look fantastic due to the extra work put in for Blu-Rays so it's not like the DVDs look anywhere near as bad as they used to in some circumstances.

How much does commercial DVD and Blu-Ray production overlap?

I'm glad you brought this up, since it does raise one thing about DVD I don't think some of us were thinking about; that the format is old and inconsistent like crazy. Buy something like the Skyfall DVD, and you have a full-screen slideshow menu on a DVD, which is normally a Blu-Ray thing if I recall. Go back to 2005ish and your on the very tail end of 4:3 and 16:9 theatrical DVDs releasing simultaneously (A good number of 4:3-cropped theatrical DVDs in my house!). Then go back 14 years and you get Home Alone 3, which was non-anamorphic 4:3 with black bars!

Generally though I do agree with MetalWario in that DVD has and will age considerably better than VHS, both physically and in presentation; 480p and lossy audio over

While you're absolutely right to point out that blu-ray players are out of the price range of some media budgets or gifting occasions (Cheap DVD players are what, $20~30, Blu-Rays $60~70, off the shelf? All depends on where, I guess.) shooting back like that when Giga's the one with anything resembling a tone problem (And there really wasn't much of one) doesn't help anyone.

(...Is it uncouth from one forum goer to another to suggest "Calm down a bit before you post?" Because I've done that before and it really helps.

You're right, I should probably have calmed myself a bit before responding. I apologize for kinda shooting from the hip like that, but that holier than thou attitude there hit me hard enough that I snapped quicker than I could think.

Just want to be helpful

Exactly my point, that's what I'm trying to say in a nutshell. VHS to DVD had a lot more noticeable improvements from where I sit, and I didn't even fully upgrade to that for a good few years after DVDs had taken over. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that viewpoint, despite how some put it.

Video quality isn't the only area where blu rays improved upon DvD's the audio quality of a lossless 7.1 surround sound track on a proper surround sound system is out of this world.

This I can attest to from experience. "Home Theater" isn't nearly so pretentious when you actually set one up.

Anyways back on topic. I want Kikuchi for Buu Kai, and this release can blow me.

But then Kai would actually be consistent!

But yeah, Kai is looking better right now. Aw boy.

[MarcFBR]

A year later and almost 8 years ago. I don't see how that really poses any significant difference. His argument is still very valid.

Not really.

It's still the 'new' disc format. There isn't anything newer, and plenty of people only got Blu-ray in the last few years, not when it first came out (and the quality certainly wasn't there 8 years ago, when most disks were kind of meh, with many encoded with MPEG-2.)

Blu-ray itself is not 'new', but it is still the newest format we have as far as high quality goes. The only choice for 4k in the home at the moment (that I'm aware of) is an overpriced digital download system from Sony, that (and I may be wrong on this part, as it's been awhile since I read about the player) only works on a handful of Sony brand TVs.

Until we have something at least 'coming soon' down the pipeline, BD isn't old hat quite yet (although in six months we might be having a different conversation.)